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WASHINGTON — As the Senate prepares to begin debating new gun control measures, some of President Barack Obama's fellow Democrats are poised to frustrate his efforts to enact the most sweeping limits on weapons in decades.
These Democrats from largely rural states with strong gun cultures view Obama's proposals warily and have not committed to supporting them. The lawmakers' concerns could stand in the way of strong legislation before a single Republican gets a chance to vote "no."
"There's a core group of Democratic senators, most but not all from the West, who represent states with a higher-than-average rate of gun ownership but an equally strong desire to feel their kids are safe," said Mark Glaze, director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. "They're having hard but good conversations with people back home to identify the middle-ground solutions that respect the Second Amendment but make it harder for dangerous people to get their hands on guns."
All eyes are on a core group of these Democrats, including Sens. Max Baucus of Montana, Mark Begich of Alaska and Mark Pryor of Arkansas, who are up for re-election in 2014.
By ERICA WERNER, AP
22 minutes ago
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Elections have a funny way of clearing some politicians heads temporarily.
I've said this since the beginning, it was never about safety, rather control. Originally they thought they could get a ban through, but quickly realized they had a bigger opposition than expected.
However, this move has backfired on Husein, he will, in the end look the fool for pushing it.
Reason being, Feinstein created a list of weapons to be banned, no sane member could get behind, all by design, to run block for Hillarys dismal performance on the Hill, not that they knew it would be as damaging as it was, regardless how the media paints it, but they needed a contingency plan if she did, and she did, so they were covered by Feinstein, the good little commie and her over reaching Bill.
Remember, they never let a good crisis go to waste, and they knew a killing like Sandyhook would be good cover for at least 3 months, and in the interim they had cartblanche for all their misdeeds.
Now all of this nonsense is turning the public against them, even the communists hailed them as heroes of Dremocracy.
With endorsements like that, you know you've crossed the line.
Now Husein gave the Pubs a gift, but sadly they've proven time and time again, they forgot what it means to be in the driver seat, and will let this opportunity pass them by.
Quote from: walkstall on January 26, 2013, 08:51:09 AM
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WASHINGTON — As the Senate prepares to begin debating new gun control measures, some of President Barack Obama's fellow Democrats are poised to frustrate his efforts to enact the most sweeping limits on weapons in decades.
These Democrats from largely rural states with strong gun cultures view Obama's proposals warily and have not committed to supporting them. The lawmakers' concerns could stand in the way of strong legislation before a single Republican gets a chance to vote "no."
"There's a core group of Democratic senators, most but not all from the West, who represent states with a higher-than-average rate of gun ownership but an equally strong desire to feel their kids are safe," said Mark Glaze, director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. "They're having hard but good conversations with people back home to identify the middle-ground solutions that respect the Second Amendment but make it harder for dangerous people to get their hands on guns."
All eyes are on a core group of these Democrats, including Sens. Max Baucus of Montana, Mark Begich of Alaska and Mark Pryor of Arkansas, who are up for re-election in 2014.
By ERICA WERNER, AP
22 minutes ago
more @
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130126/US.Congress.Gun.Control/ (http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130126/US.Congress.Gun.Control/)
As I have stated before, the dems will have a difficult time retaining the 55-45 majority in the Senate in 2014. Twenty of the thirty-three seats up for reelection are dems. Tom Harkin just announced he will not run. That makes gains in WV and IA very possible. Just for debate, if it gets real close what is the possibility of Joe Manchin (WV) swirching to the GOP?
This could in theory rip apart the Democrats as the tax fight we just had ripped apart the Republicans. Obama's political career is over in four years and he has run his last election. He has nothing to lose but the Dems up for reelection in 2014 do. And Obama doesn't care. If they don't support his agenda he will ram it down their throats.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 26, 2013, 10:12:33 AM
This could in theory rip apart the Democrats as the tax fight we just had ripped apart the Republicans. Obama's political career is over in four years and he has run his last election. He has nothing to lose but the Dems up for reelection in 2014 do. And Obama doesn't care. If they don't support his agenda he will ram it down their throats.
It absolutely could, but counting on the RINO to run with it? :glare: :laugh:
Quote from: Solar on January 26, 2013, 10:23:07 AM
It absolutely could, but counting on the RINO to run with it? :glare: :laugh:
Well the RINOS probably would stick to their guns because they are spineless and this time they would not be on center stage.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 26, 2013, 10:47:18 AM
Well the RINOS probably would stick to their guns because they are spineless and this time they would not be on center stage.
I wonder if we have a shot at purging their power structure come 2014, if it's possible to actually get a majority of Conservatives in, and even unseat Boner?
Unless we get them out, we probably don't stand a chance in 2016, because they'll just put up another RINO.
But I digress, this thread is more about the position the Dims have put themselves in, it's a lose lose proposition confiscating guns.
Quote from: Solar on January 26, 2013, 10:59:26 AM
I wonder if we have a shot at purging their power structure come 2014, if it's possible to actually get a majority of Conservatives in, and even unseat Boner?
Unless we get them out, we probably don't stand a chance in 2016, because they'll just put up another RINO.
But I digress, this thread is more about the position the Dims have put themselves in, it's a lose lose proposition confiscating guns.
I don't see a democrat becoming a RINO will help. Other then to get him re-elected.
Quote from: walkstall on January 26, 2013, 11:15:30 AM
I don't see a democrat becoming a RINO will help. Other then to get him re-elected.
They don't all switch parties out of self interest. Lets not forget that Reagan was a democrat once. :smile:
Quote from: kramarat on January 26, 2013, 11:30:13 AM
They don't all switch parties out of self interest. Lets not forget that Reagan was a democrat once. :smile:
That reminds me, we had the Dims in the same place the Pubs are in today, yet they came back.
Politics cycle, unfortunately, with every cycle, we lose ground.
Has there ever been a point in history where the pendulum swung back without revolution?
If not, get ready.
Quote from: Solar on January 26, 2013, 11:37:54 AM
That reminds me, we had the Dims in the same place the Pubs are in today, yet they came back.
Politics cycle, unfortunately, with every cycle, we lose ground.
Has there ever been a point in history where the pendulum swung back without revolution?
If not, get ready.
I'm hoping that Obama and his appointed puppets step so far over the line that it causes a liberal backlash and implosion of the democrat party.
Eventually they will hit the right button and freak the libs out. It won't be gun control, but if they start screwing around with controlling the internet, they'll be playing with fire.
Nobody in the Obamnao regime cares about gun control...this is a distraction for the Budget and debt limit.
Billy
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 26, 2013, 03:11:54 PM
Nobody in the Obamnao regime cares about gun control...this is a distraction for the Budget and debt limit.
Billy
It is crumbs to the lib masses as Harry Reid will never bring it to the floor.
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 26, 2013, 03:11:54 PM
Nobody in the Obamnao regime cares about gun control...this is a distraction for the Budget and debt limit.
Billy
Not only don't care, as I said before, they are scared to death of it, every lib that votes for it is subject to a shit pot of trouble from their constituents, the NRA as well as dozens of other pro gun groups, signing this is tantamount to suicide.
Yet the media focuses on it as if it has a chance and the right cringes like fools, instead of daring them, taunting them to sign it and show just what players the left is.
If it were me in charge of the GOP, I'd taunt the Hell out of the left, challenge them to sign it, expose them for the frauds they really are.
No Balls On The Right!
Let me throw another possible scenario on the table. We know there are a number of dem senators from red states up for reelection in 2014. Would Harry Reid go against Obama and bring it to a vote to allow those senators to vote against it to gain some "street cred'? Of course with Obama's arrogance this would totally p--s him off, but it could help Reid.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 27, 2013, 06:16:01 AM
Let me throw another possible scenario on the table. We know there are a number of dem senators from red states up for reelection in 2014. Would Harry Reid go against Obama and bring it to a vote to allow those senators to vote against it to gain some "street cred'? Of course with Obama's arrogance this would totally p--s him off, but it could help Reid.
Interesting scenario.
I don't think Reid is ready to retire, he would probably end his career if he did push this Bill forward.
Then there is the issue of the party appearing like a coup against their Master when they all reject it.
No, Reid won't go near it, the fuse is lit, he best throw this thing in a deep pit and hope Hussein doesn't pull this crap while he's in office.
Quote from: Solar on January 26, 2013, 11:37:54 AM
That reminds me, we had the Dims in the same place the Pubs are in today, yet they came back.
Politics cycle, unfortunately, with every cycle, we lose ground.
Has there ever been a point in history where the pendulum swung back without revolution?
If not, get ready.
I think the cycles are still pretty clear, at least since the 60's.
We got sick of LBJ and Vietnam, that gave us Nixon. Nixon's debacle gave us Carter. Carter gave us Reagan in a mere 4 pathetic years. Reagan's greatness can be also measured by GHW's election, they actually wanted 12-16 years of Reagan philosophy. Bush got fairly well screwed by Perot, he may have gotten a second term if not for that. But I think the electorate did get a little underwhelmed by Bush. That gave us Clinton. Dotcom bust and Monica gave us GW. And war fatigue and the 08 bust gave us BO. Those are pretty clear pendulums & swings.
Granted, BO's re-election is beyond belief, but we also gave it to him with uninspiring candidates, underwhelming campaigns, and a bunch of clown not voting.
If we can get it together, I think the conservative end of the GOP can ride a backlash of disgust for Obama in 2, then 4 years.
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 27, 2013, 07:54:43 AM
I think the cycles are still pretty clear, at least since the 60's.
We got sick of LBJ and Vietnam, that gave us Nixon. Nixon's debacle gave us Carter. Carter gave us Reagan in a mere 4 pathetic years. Reagan's greatness can be also measured by GHW's election, they actually wanted 12-16 years of Reagan philosophy. Bush got fairly well screwed by Perot, he may have gotten a second term if not for that. But I think the electorate did get a little underwhelmed by Bush. That gave us Clinton. Dotcom bust and Monica gave us GW. And war fatigue and the 08 bust gave us BO. Those are pretty clear pendulums & swings.
Granted, BO's re-election is beyond belief, but we also gave it to him with uninspiring candidates, underwhelming campaigns, and a bunch of clown not voting.
If we can get it together, I think the conservative end of the GOP can ride a backlash of disgust for Obama in 2, then 4 years.
Yep, you got it!
And yes there are variables in cycles, but one only need look at the last 50 years to see a pattern that no one likes either party and is always seeking change.
Sadly it's like choosing between hands in the garbage disposal or peeling skin from the body slowly.
So far, the only constant in all this back and forth has been a slide to the left.
I think after, 8 years of
no future for a once first time voter, that will be 26 next election cycle (which happens to be the age where responsibility and looking toward the future kicks in) will see what a miserable job socialists made of his future earnings.
These idiot kids will most likely have lost 8 solid years of building some form of savings, and looking back at constantly being broke and sponging off mom and dad tends to motivate those that want more out of life.
If the GOP had any brains between them, they would start capitalizing on the misery of the disgruntled 20 something crowd.
We actually do have a shot at reversing the damage the Marxists have inflicted upon this Nation, but it takes a party with balls willing to expose the problem and not back down in the face of a leftist media.
Quote from: Solar on January 27, 2013, 08:35:32 AM
Yep, you got it!
And yes there are variables in cycles, but one only need look at the last 50 years to see a pattern that no one likes either party and is always seeking change.
Sadly it's like choosing between hands in the garbage disposal or peeling skin from the body slowly.
So far, the only constant in all this back and forth has been a slide to the left.
I think after, 8 years of no future for a once first time voter, that will be 26 next election cycle (which happens to be the age where responsibility and looking toward the future kicks in) will see what a miserable job socialists made of his future earnings.
These idiot kids will most likely have lost 8 solid years of building some form of savings, and looking back at constantly being broke and sponging off mom and dad tends to motivate those that want more out of life.
If the GOP had any brains between them, they would start capitalizing on the misery of the disgruntled 20 something crowd.
We actually do have a shot at reversing the damage the Marxists have inflicted upon this Nation, but it takes a party with balls willing to expose the problem and not back down in the face of a leftist media.
"If the GOP had any brains between them, they would start capitalizing on the misery of the disgruntled 20 something crowd.
We actually do have a shot at reversing the damage the Marxists have inflicted upon this Nation, but it takes a party with balls willing to expose the problem and not back down in the face of a leftist media."
It is amazing how people's outlooks change as they move toward thirty. I have to admit I was dem leaning through college. Once I started paying attention and looking at what was being withheld from my paycheck I had an awakening. So I agree wholeheartedly the 20 something demographic is right for the picking IF the GOP comes up with a viable plan.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 27, 2013, 09:03:52 AM
"If the GOP had any brains between them, they would start capitalizing on the misery of the disgruntled 20 something crowd.
We actually do have a shot at reversing the damage the Marxists have inflicted upon this Nation, but it takes a party with balls willing to expose the problem and not back down in the face of a leftist media."
It is amazing how people's outlooks change as they move toward thirty. I have to admit I was dem leaning through college. Once I started paying attention and looking at what was being withheld from my paycheck I had an awakening. So I agree wholeheartedly the 20 something demographic is right for the picking IF the GOP comes up with a viable plan.
This is where I think Boo is absolutely correct when he says the GOP needs a new marking firm, one that focuses on the future, rather than falling into the trap of playing defense all the time.
Hell, the Dims learned long ago, throw shit at the fan, and the Pubs will run around like chickens after slaughter.
No, we need to start targeting that generation now, through movies and ads, where their generation looks cool for doing the right thing, rather than the leftists message of "If it feels good, just do it" BS.
We need to point out how they have no future under socialism, but a bright one where the Govt is out of their way, educate them with these messages. Is that too much to ask of these idiots?