Quote from: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 03:17:55 PM
Obama hasn't CHOSEN to align himself with the black "race"?

Elizabeth Warren hasn't CHOSEN to be known as an "Indian"

Happens all the time.  You have a blindspot on these issues.

Okay, reality check. Who exactly would have accepted Obama making a claim he was "white" or even half "white".
And the point about Warren was that she claimed an ancestry she had no right to, in order to take advantage of preference programs. I don't have a blind spot. People who think pretending the past didn't happen, will make it go away, are the people with the blind spot. Why so sensitive about a simple statement of fact?

Quote from: keyboarder on November 15, 2012, 03:49:07 PM

That gets a "yes" from me!

Maybe a moderate on social issues.............which is fine with me.

The woman is a great American, brilliant, and she won't hesitate to light someone's ass up that threatens or kills our countrymen.

I wouldn't even think about playing chess with her.

QuoteMaybe a moderate on social issues.............which is fine with me.

What is a "moderate" Republican?  There is an answer, and I STRONGLY disagree with "moderate" Republicans.  What the Left describes as a moderate Republican is FAR left in idiotology.  Don't build her up too much just because she's black. "We" made that mistake with Colin Powell, and even Barack Obama.

Quote from: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 04:49:02 PM
What is a "moderate" Republican?  There is an answer, and I STRONGLY disagree with "moderate" Republicans.  What the Left describes as a moderate Republican is FAR left in idiotology.  Don't build her up too much just because she's black. "We" made that mistake with Colin Powell, and even Barack Obama.

Skin color doesn't enter into my opinions of people. I am a registered republican, but that sure doesn't mean I'm on board with them on everything.

I can honestly say that I have never, either built someone up, or knocked them down because of the shade of their skin.

I like and respect Condoleezza Rice. I would feel the same if she was purple.

Colin Powell doesn't give a rat's ass about Obama. Somebody on the republican side pissed him off to the point that payback became more important than principle. My guess is that it was the selling of the idea of WMDs in Iraq to justify the war.

Deal with the "moderate" label.  Do you know what gives her the label "moderate"?

Maybe you agree with those positions. A lot of Republicans today are where the Libs were in 1970.  I'm not.  Why accept the liberal definitions?

I don't have anything against her as a human being, but I'd NEVER vote for her for any national office.  Those who do would only do so because of her skin color and their own desperation to "prove" they're not "RACIST!"   That's one reason so many white libs and "moderates" voted for Obama the first time.

Do you support "moderate" Republican positions?

Quote from: kramarat on November 15, 2012, 01:18:40 PM
If they want a Rice that knows her stuff, they need to call Condoleezza.

Quote from: kramarat on November 15, 2012, 04:37:58 PM
Maybe a moderate on social issues.............which is fine with me.

The woman is a great American, brilliant, and she won't hesitate to light someone's ass up that threatens or kills our countrymen.

I wouldn't even think about playing chess with her.

The speech she gave at the GOP convention this year was inspiring and don't think for a minute that the DNC wasn't taking it all in.  As a matter of fact several minority type figures were speaking for Romney in ways that didn't sit well with the Obama regime. 

I'm still trying to digest what was supposed to be a done deal for Romney, when you factor in the support he was getting, numbers showing up in thousands over Obama turnouts, endorsements you wouldn't have figured on, and now the latest with the number of states asking for secession from the union and alot of them overwhelmingly voted Democrat.  The facts and numbers aren't adding up for me in any way that I can accept.

Quote from: Yawn on November 15, 2012, 06:22:22 PM
Deal with the "moderate" label.  Do you know what gives her the label "moderate"?

Maybe you agree with those positions. A lot of Republicans today are where the Libs were in 1970.  I'm not.  Why accept the liberal definitions?

I don't have anything against her as a human being, but I'd NEVER vote for her for any national office.  Those who do would only do so because of her skin color and their own desperation to "prove" they're not "RACIST!"   That's one reason so many white libs and "moderates" voted for Obama the first time.

Do you support "moderate" Republican positions?

Sometimes. I'm more of a live and let live libertarian on the social stuff.

When the republican position goes so far to the right that it becomes the polar opposite of the far left, and becomes a call for government intervention and control of people's behavior, that's where we part ways. It's just as unconstitutional as being dictated to by the left. I think that education leads to responsible citizens, not laws and force.

Unfortunately that's where the REPUBLICANS are heading.

1) Support for the murder of your unborn child --makes you a moderate Republican  to the Left

2) Support for society REDEFINING the meaning of something so basic to our culture as the definition of MARRIAGE, makes you a moderate Republican to the Left

3) Support for OPEN BORDERS (especially with Mexico) makes you a moderate Republican to the Left.

4) Support for the legalization of "recreational" drug use makes you a moderate Republican to the left


Sorry, but these are all EXTREME Left positions and does NOT make you a "moderate on social issues."

The Founders set the standard for the "Moderate American."  I judge a person by where they stand when compared to these God-Inspired individuals.

Quote from: Yawn on November 16, 2012, 07:44:37 AM
Unfortunately that's where the REPUBLICANS are heading.

1) Support for the murder of your unborn child --makes you a moderate Republican  to the Left

2) Support for society REDEFINING the meaning of something so basic to our culture as the definition of MARRIAGE, makes you a moderate Republican to the Left

3) Support for OPEN BORDERS (especially with Mexico) makes you a moderate Republican to the Left.

4) Support for the legalization of "recreational" drug use makes you a moderate Republican to the left


Sorry, but these are all EXTREME Left positions and does NOT make you a "moderate on social issues."

The Founders set the standard for the "Moderate American."  I judge a person by where they stand when compared to these God-Inspired individuals.

I guess we'll just have to disagree on some things.

Making abortion illegal, won't get rid of it. It will be pushed into the black market and it will be controlled by criminals. I don't support government bankrolling of abortion. Planned Parenthood should not be funded by the federal government, and individual states should make the call on their own abortion laws.

I don't have a problem with gays entering into legal civil unions. I do have a problem with redefining the word marriage. I also have a problem with the gay lifestyle being taught as "normal" in our public school system. Homosexuality can be acknowledged to exist in our society, and that's the end of it.

Anybody that's for open borders is insane.

I don't have a problem with people smoking pot. Same laws should apply as what we have for alcohol..................which is a far greater inebriant than weed is. The only thing keeping pot illegal, is that they can't figure out how to tax it. I don't believe that the hard, addictive drugs should be legalized, but I also don't think we should be throwing people in jail for simple possession.

On the left or the right, I consider extremism to be a trait in which people believe that human behavior can be mandated, and  forced by government. It doesn't work.

Quote from: mdgiles on November 15, 2012, 02:51:10 PM
Intriguing. The US pretty much works by the "One Drop Rule", one drop of African-American blood makes one black. It's an old rule from the bad, old days, that has become so internalized within the national culture, that most of us don't think of how odd it is to describe someone with seven white great-grandparents and one black great-grandparent as "black".

That is a sweeping generalization and a blatantly racist one at that.

I'll bet that outside of places like the Aryan Nations and KKK meetings most white Americans: 1) don't know what the "One Drop" rule is or where it comes from and 2) don't really give a rat's ass how much of what race a person has in their genetic background.

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 16, 2012, 09:44:44 AM
That is a sweeping generalization and a blatantly racist one at that.

I'll bet that outside of places like the Aryan Nations and KKK meetings most white Americans: 1) don't know what the "One Drop" rule is or where it comes from and 2) don't really give a rat's ass how much of what race a person has in their genetic background.

I had never heard of it, but I think that democrats use it all the time. Like that blonde headed Indian woman.............I forgot her name.

Quote from: kramarat on November 16, 2012, 09:35:11 AM
I guess we'll just have to disagree on some things.

Making abortion illegal, won't get rid of it. It will be pushed into the black market and it will be controlled by criminals. I don't support government bankrolling of abortion. Planned Parenthood should not be funded by the federal government, and individual states should make the call on their own abortion laws.

Not really. The "back alley abortion" is simply more bullshit on the part of the left. In this day and age, who's going to care if a woman has an illegitimate child. The year is 2012, not 1912

QuoteAnybody that's for open borders is insane.

Completely and utterly, especially since we are essentially a welfare state.

QuoteI don't have a problem with people smoking pot. Same laws should apply as what we have for alcohol..................which is a far greater inebriant than weed is. The only thing keeping pot illegal, is that they can't figure out how to tax it. I don't believe that the hard, addictive drugs should be legalized, but I also don't think we should be throwing people in jail for simple possession.

I believe it's none of our damn business what an individual, decides to put into their body. Prohibition - of any kind - always turns out to be the camel's nose under the tent. Understand. It's exactly the same mindset that wants to ban dangerous drugs, that leads to San Fran banning Happy Meals and Bloomnanny taking away our Big Gulps.

QuoteOn the left or the right, I consider extremism to be a trait in which people believe that human behavior can be mandated, and  forced by government. It doesn't work.

Understanding this, why are you in favor of having government having any say over how adults live their lives?

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 16, 2012, 09:44:44 AM
That is a sweeping generalization and a blatantly racist one at that.

I'll bet that outside of places like the Aryan Nations and KKK meetings most white Americans: 1) don't know what the "One Drop" rule is or where it comes from and 2) don't really give a rat's ass how much of what race a person has in their genetic background.

It's not a generalization, it's simply a fact. And that most aren't aware where the rule came from was my point. That the thinking behind it has become internalized in American culture. That it informs our decisions on who is "black" and who is "white" without our even consciously thinking about it. This goes back to something I said in my first post. We don't think it's odd that someone with seven white great-grandparents and one black great-grandparents ( the late, great Lena Horne for example), is considered "black". We simply accept it - without really understanding why we see it as "normal".

QuoteUnderstanding this, why are you in favor of having government having any say over how adults live their lives?

Ever heard the Neil Young song, "The Damage Done"?

My ex-wife died 6 years ago after 20 years of smoking crack. She was 44.

My step daughter and daughter were devastated. Both of them were in their 20's and hadn't used drugs besides smoking a little weed. After she died, they both turned to heroin. Both became addicted. Each of them had 4 kids. All 8 of the kids have been removed and placed in foster care with strangers. My daughter is facing serious prison time for felony child endangerment. Her last child was born an addict.

I don't see hard drug use as a victimless crime. On the other hand, I don't think that people should be marked for life with a criminal record, for simple possession. It locks them into a place that is almost impossible to get out of.

As far as aborton goes, if there are people that want them and a buck to be made, somebody, somewhere, will be performing them.