Quote from: AndyJackson on July 15, 2013, 05:43:56 PM
It's not human trafficking....that's a concept generally reserved for slavery, sex slaves, coyotes and mass illegal smuggling, etc.......

This is adopting children and giving them a better life.  Nobody can get a rise out of anybody for this.

If you can't get any interest in Obama's many felonies, repeated treason, and fake BC........nobody's gonna care about Roberts adopting 2 kids and giving them a good life.

Pure folly and fantasy.

It is human trafficking and it is a for-PROFIT market that entirely is against the law.

Ireland has so much demand for adoptive children that Irish families are having to adopt children from Eastern European countries.  However those adoptions, to good Irish families, and under the terms of the Irish government, has no opportunity for profit by the Mothers.

This profit is the motivation for the motivation for the mothers in need to give up their children to foreigners in a foreign country, and it is the means used by John Roberts to acquire two children within a few months time, when they were only 4 1/2 months apart in age.

And engaging in black market human trafficking is entirely unacceptable activity for a Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, and real cause for his impeachment, without  any hesitation.

lol, your personal umbrage does not a scandal make.

I mean......you CAN repeat yourself 150 times, it's still a free country in that way.....you just can't make anybody else embrace it.

Almost nobody cares about Obama wrecking America and the constitution.....fewer care about a minor adoption kerfuffle 8-10 years back.

Quote from: AndyJackson on July 15, 2013, 06:07:14 PM
lol, your personal umbrage does not a scandal make.

I mean......you CAN repeat yourself 150 times, it's still a free country in that way.....you just can't make anybody else embrace it.

Almost nobody cares about Obama wrecking America and the constitution.....fewer care about a minor adoption kerfuffle 8-10 years back.

This is not about my "personal umbrage".  The rejection of ObamaCare as being flagrantly unconstitutional has nothing whatsoever to do with "like" or "dislike". 

And the recognition that John Roberts undeniably engaged in illegal and unethical human trafficking, which should result in his impeachment, and very likely served as cause for blackmail, is not personal, and every American that gives a damn about the Constitution, and the legitimate rule of law, should care.   This is the 2nd time in roughly a year that we've seen the Supreme Court of the United States make decisions flagrantly in conflict with the rule of law, the most recent being the decision on DOMA,

Frankly, I don't really give a damn about what most Americans care about, and if many of them demonstrate your superficial understanding and failed grasp of simple facts, then they deserve whatever lies ahead.  The rest of American have been arming themselves in record numbers, and paying attention to the deliberate collapse  of the economy and government that is in our very near future.   

We got to this point precisely because of people not watching their government, being entirely ignorant of what the Constitution says, and why,  not protecting their freedoms, and doing nothing but fish for navel lint.

I wish you the best of luck with your fishing endeavor.

Quote from: Trip on July 15, 2013, 06:19:52 PM
This is not about my "personal umbrage".  The rejection of ObamaCare as being flagrantly unconstitutional has nothing whatsoever to do with "like" or "dislike". 

And the recognition that John Roberts undeniably engaged in illegal and unethical human trafficking, which should result in his impeachment, and very likely served as cause for blackmail, is not personal, and every American that gives a damn about the Constitution, and the legitimate rule of law, should care.   This is the 2nd time in roughly a year that we've seen the Supreme Court of the United States make decisions flagrantly in conflict with the rule of law, the most recent being the decision on DOMA,

Frankly, I don't really give a damn about what most Americans care about, and if many of them demonstrate your superficial understanding and failed grasp of simple facts, then they deserve whatever lies ahead.  The rest of American have been arming themselves in record numbers, and paying attention to the deliberate collapse  of the economy and government that is in our very near future.   

We got to this point precisely because of people not watching their government, being entirely ignorant of what the Constitution says, and why,  not protecting their freedoms, and doing nothing but fish for navel lint.

I wish you the best of luck with your fishing endeavor.

Your opening thread was a piece of great writing; well thought out, well researched, and linked to sources.

Here's the problem...

There's no way to prove that Roberts was blackmailed, and there's no way to prove that his decision was influenced by blackmail.
Were the other justices in the majority blackmailed as well, or do we have a supreme court that has either lost it's way, or simply doesn't believe in the constitution as it is written?

From what I've been seeing over the past 6 years, Rand Paul seems to be the only person in Washington that even has an inkling of what the constitution means. That includes many on the supreme court and most of the GOP.

Our founding documents, (in their entirety), are at extreme risk of being lost forever.

Quote from: kramarat on July 16, 2013, 03:55:34 AM
Your opening thread was a piece of great writing; well thought out, well researched, and linked to sources.

Here's the problem...

There's no way to prove that Roberts was blackmailed, and there's no way to prove that his decision was influenced by blackmail.
Were the other justices in the majority blackmailed as well, or do we have a supreme court that has either lost it's way, or simply doesn't believe in the constitution as it is written?

From what I've been seeing over the past 6 years, Rand Paul seems to be the only person in Washington that even has an inkling of what the constitution means. That includes many on the supreme court and most of the GOP.

Our founding documents, (in their entirety), are at extreme risk of being lost forever.

I appreciate the opening compliment; thank you.  However I really feel that the recognition of what occurred with Roberts adoptions happened back in 2005, largely by the NYT and others, and it only hit me over the head as I was doing research into Roberts decisions for a book I'm writing.  I cannot take full credit for it.

And you're correct, there is no absolute proof that Roberts was blackmailed. Although we do have  motive,  method, and opportunity, and perhaps even a "body" (given Roberts flip-flop on the vote and having written 70% of the  minority opinion), but what we're lacking is an actual witness to the fact of the blackmail occurring.  However as I've noted, such underhanded tactics do fit with the repeated modus operandi of this administration.

However I'm not so sure that the likes of Kagan, Sotomayor, Ginsburg, and Breyer, really needed to be blackmailed.   Ginsburg is even on record (more than once) as stating that the U.S. Constitution is not the most advanced constitution out there, actually lauding the South African constitution. I truly believe she should have been impeached for this, and other comments she's made over the years, as they show a particular disdain for the Constitution, and disregard for the terms that this country was founded upon.

And we recently saw this same disregard for Constitution and legitimate practice of the Court with the DOMA decision.

Ginsburg pissed me off to no end when she said that about our constitution. And of course the others didn't need to be blackmailed. They see the constitution as a living, breathing document that is to change over time, to fit leftist ideology.

If we lose the supreme court, there is no place else to turn. I don't think most people are aware of how close we are to the monumental remaking that Obama promised.

Roberts, like most Rinos, ruled in favor of Big Government. This is no big surprise if you ask me.

As for the adoption thing, it's really none of my business as long as they were done legally. Unfortunately, this is not always the case (which is why a growing number of countries are cracking down on private "out of country" adoptions). Meanwhile, some prospective U.S. parents are either unwilling, or unable, to follow our adoption laws and, as such, turn to private adoption agencies.

If you can prove blackmail, fine.  That would actually be awesome.  If not, you're tilting at windmills based on your exaggeration of the "crimes" committed.

Don't get me totally wrong, obviously political favors, shortcuts, and other inside baseball were done to help a highly connected "important person".

But it's still just giving a couple kids a good life.  Not financial fraud, theft, etc.

Nobody could ever be mad enough about adoptions to chase this one.

I do agree about Ginsburg....the most rotten, fetid, stinking POS traitor to ever grace the court.

How the f*** a loud & proud constitution hater gets on the SC, I do not know.  Aren't these idiots sworn in to protect and obey the constitution  ?  She refers to destroying and avoiding it daily.  WTF  ?

Quote from: AndyJackson on July 17, 2013, 08:05:14 AM
Don't get me totally wrong, obviously political favors, shortcuts, and other inside baseball were done to help a highly connected "important person".

But it's still just giving a couple kids a good life.  Not financial fraud, theft, etc.

Nobody could ever be mad enough about adoptions to chase this one.

THIS sort of blind ignorance is why we have such a corrupt government.

There were no "political favors" done regarding this.  There was utilization of a black market human trafficking ring outside of this country,  to get those children into a country that would turn a blind eye and pretend that the children were legit, and the the children were brought into this country as if the were legitimate adoptions, allowing a whole host of other criminal activity and human trafficking to go on at the same time from these "adopting Latin American countries". 

And we have a man with such a gross desire for self-gratification, and disregard of law, sitting as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court. 

Your own opening post in this thread first sought to validate Roberts by whatever means, even indicating a hope for a "patriot" in him, and this  after he so egregiously misrepresented Constitutional law and fact in his opinion for the  case.   

Your follow up was a post pronouncing the adoption thing as ridiculous, without reason provided. You then try to dismiss the undeniably human trafficking as not human trafficking because ... there are not "slaves involved"., and what Roberts did "its for the Chilllllllllllllldren!" ignoring the disregard of law and ethic by Roberts, and that the Irish laws were instituted to protect those children and prevent the mothers from being taken advantage of, and to prohibit just such child trafficking.  You simultaneously claim that the Irish laws are "arcane" when they are no such thing, and that the B.C is fake, showing that you are consistently unable discern and follow simple fact.

Your next response is to claim my response nothing but "personal umbrage".

I gotta tell ya, in one thread you've not only established your mentality on this one issue but your political view  on a whole range of issues, and viewing yourself as some sort of Republican", most likely professing himself to be conservative, but really no conservative at all, just a glad-hander and validater for the status quo.  This is why I and others have  left the Republican Party, why they have no hope of changing to ever reflect any sort of ethic and  principle, much less constitutional principle that actually prohibits them, why they are never held to account,  as well as why we can never hope to save this country, much less restore our freedoms,  while the GOP still draws breath.

This isn't actually  just "about adoptions", but you're still trying to figure out that the BC wasn't possibly forged, and  that that nailing the criminality going on isn't going to be had by doing an impression of Where's Waldo trying to find a Hanging Chad.

lol, buddy, every reply from you is a rambling, breathless, grandstanding magnum opus.

This should tell you something.

Yes, it was unethical.  So is taking a lobster lunch from a lobbyist.  Nobody's screeching for impeachment but you.

It's not "black market people smuggling" either.  It's a variant, a sleazy variant, of adopting 2 children who were helped and loved through it.

327,539,411 Americans aren't joining you in the cause.

Once again, it's a rock and a hard place argument.

My disdain for the republican party runs deep; on the other hand, if Roberts was impeached for his criminal behavior, Obama would get to pick another justice, and I just don't see how we could ever allow that to happen. I'm not sure if the country would survive.

So... we're left with a choice of Roberts, or a radical left wing extremist. Hell, a Holder nomination wouldn't surprise me.

Without a third party, conservatives, libertarians, and even democrats that believe in freedom and the constitution, are left with nothing but crappy choices.

Yeah, the only thing standing between us and basically becoming Cuba.....is Obama winning the house and flipping one more conservative SC justice to a Ginsburg / Kagan / Sotomayor type.  Obama becomes a fully functioning Chavez at that point.

Luckily, Ginsburg's the one closest to keeling over, so we shouldn't just wake up and be totally surprised one morning, by that flip.

Quote from: AndyJackson on July 17, 2013, 12:38:41 PM
lol, buddy, every reply from you is a rambling, breathless, grandstanding magnum opus.

This should tell you something.

Yes, it was unethical.  So is taking a lobster lunch from a lobbyist.  Nobody's screeching for impeachment but you.

It's not "black market people smuggling" either.  It's a variant, a sleazy variant, of adopting 2 children who were helped and loved through it.

327,539,411 Americans aren't joining you in the cause.

What it all tells me is when I did not validate the shallow breaths of your sprinting intellect, and fleeting vision, which only exceeds your reach, and all of is well beyond your grasp, you engaged in ad hominem attacks. 

And somehow this expansive yet un-trumpeted intellect can neither recognize why its a bad idea to have the Chief Justice disregard laws and flagrantly engage in the trafficking of human beings,  in a country that allegedly is the most free in the world, nor why the Hawaiian Dept of Health might be entitled to produce a birth certificate in whatever form, with however many layers, without it being any sort of fraud!

Yet even when called on this, your Pavlovian need to validate the GOP is compelled to put human trafficking on the same level as a lobbyist lobster lunch!  But we have great faith that lobster bib will protect from all the drool obviously going on there.

No, it's black market trafficking, not just smuggling, not just open, free market capitalism, not just a variant of adopting two children, "who are helped and loved through it" despite being reduced to an international commodity, engaged in outside the laws of sovereign nations,  in disregard of the mothers having no support system whatsoever, and being subject to whatever coercion, and hidden from the American people under the guise of false protection for those children in the anonymity of adoption!

You got so much desperate white-washing going on there you make Tom Sawyer look like a rank amateur,  and a devout nun!

But it must be me who's engaging in ""personal umbrage". while you leap to personal attacks and more sycophant-ish praise for Roberts than was offered Stalin in the USSR.

But don't worry, boys and girls, there's nothing going on here and everything's fine under Roberts discriminating  discernment and honed judgment without the debilitating constraint of law.   All hail Roberts!

We now return you to the Government Arts Channel, sponsored by the joint efforts of the GOP and DNC demonstrating the height of ethical bipartisanship, and the letters, "U" and "O",  and the number 13 trillion, but first another message from Uncle Same saying why its wrong to put your cell phone in the refrigerator so we cannot find you.  "Remember, even Uncle Fridge sees and knows all that you're doing!"

Quote from: AndyJackson on July 17, 2013, 01:31:11 PM
Yeah, the only thing standing between us and basically becoming Cuba.....is Obama winning the house and flipping one more conservative SC justice to a Ginsburg / Kagan / Sotomayor type.  Obama becomes a fully functioning Chavez at that point.

Luckily, Ginsburg's the one closest to keeling over, so we shouldn't just wake up and be totally surprised one morning, by that flip.

YEAH, because Roberts has made such a difference, and we could rely on him and his ethical concerns in the clinch.

I've got no problem having Roberts removed from office, even with the chance of Obama appointing another justice.  The funny thing about doing things for the right reasons, is that things actually start working properly.

Amazing, that.  Whodda thunk it!

Quote from: Trip on July 17, 2013, 01:45:32 PM
YEAH, because Roberts has made such a difference, and we could rely on him and his ethical concerns in the clinch.

I've got no problem having Roberts removed from office, even with the chance of Obama appointing another justice.  The funny thing about doing things for the right reasons, is that things actually start working properly.

Amazing, that.  Whodda thunk it!

I understand the outrage, but who is going to get rid of him?

Both sides can hold these adoptions over his head.

The GOP has a solid RINO in place, that will blow whichever way the wind is blowing.

And....

He cast the vote that gave us, (illegal), Obamacare. The dems owe him.

The republicans won't go after him; mostly because they don't care, and I would assume that they are gearing up to get their worthless asses reelected.

The democrats won't go after him; because he gave them Obamacare, and they are also gearing up to get their worthless asses reelected.

...and Holder runs the criminal enforcement arm of the Obama administration. He has no time to go after criminal behavior; he's too busy practicing it.