Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 10:44:57 AM
"The evidence is that you are doing it. You might as well say that there are reasons for communism and that you can push those with out being a leftist"

Leftists breathe air.  So, am I automatically a Leftist because I breathe air, too?

Wow, typical leftist logic, the logic of children.
So now breathing is the same a pushing an agenda? You are conflating apples and oranges.
Leftism is a philosophy before it is a movement or group of people.
If you push that philosophy then you are by definition part of it.

You are essentially saying something like, "im going to push the bible as the true word of God, but im not a christian!"

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 10:44:57 AM
"The evidence is that you are doing it. You might as well say that there are reasons for communism and that you can push those with out being a leftist"

Leftists breathe air.  So, am I automatically a Leftist because I breathe air, too?

Of course not...you're a leftist because you're a left wing jut job....

You aren't the first idiot liberal to come here trying to do what you are doing...we are far smarter than you and can see right through you....and you have no clue how....

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 10:44:57 AM
"The evidence is that you are doing it. You might as well say that there are reasons for communism and that you can push those with out being a leftist"

Leftists breathe air.  So, am I automatically a Leftist because I breathe air, too?

Who or what were you responding to?

Quote from: T Hunt on April 21, 2021, 10:52:49 AM

Wow, typical leftist logic, the logic of children.
So now breathing is the same a pushing an agenda? You are conflating apples and oranges.
Leftism is a philosophy before it is a movement or group of people.
If you push that philosophy then you are by definition part of it.

You are essentially saying something like, "im going to push the bible as the true word of God, but im not a christian!"

More like conflating an elephant turd to an apple.

What he and all leftists hate to admit is, that Conservatism = Society, while leftism = control.

Quote from: Solar on April 21, 2021, 10:57:40 AM
Who or what were you responding to?

That was me he was responding too. I guess he forgot the quote function...

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QuoteQuote from: p1tchblack on Today at 10:16:25 AM

    The fact that Leftists support getting rid of the EC doesn't mean that there aren't legitimate reasons (as I have repeatedly stated) to get rid of the EC.  So, tell me the evidence you have that proves your claim that I support getting rid of the EC to push a leftist agenda.

The evidence is that you are doing it. You might as well say that there are reasons for communism and that you can push those with out being a leftist.

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 10:04:29 AM
It's pasted below.  The reason it's not a valid concern today is because there is no shortage of readily available information on every candidate.  We have TV, readio, Newspapers, Internet, etc.  That wasn't the case when the Constitution was written.



The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:

"It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief."

Links?

Quote from: T Hunt on April 21, 2021, 10:52:49 AM

Wow, typical leftist logic, the logic of children.
So now breathing is the same a pushing an agenda? You are conflating apples and oranges.
Leftism is a philosophy before it is a movement or group of people.
If you push that philosophy then you are by definition part of it.

You are essentially saying something like, "im going to push the bible as the true word of God, but im not a christian!"

So, to clarify, anyone who doesn't see a need for the EC is a Leftist?

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 11:04:58 AM
So, to clarify, anyone who doesn't see a need for the EC is a Leftist?

UnAmerican....fascist nazi....communist.....socialist....yes...

Do you have any other questions that are more difficult?

Quote from: tac on April 21, 2021, 11:04:29 AM
Links?

https://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html

There are others.  The one above is the first one I found that explained it well and referenced the Federalist Papers.

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 11:04:58 AM
So, to clarify, anyone who doesn't see a need for the EC is a Leftist?

Pretty much anyone who comes here with the bull shit you have brought, to convince others that we need to get rid of parts of the constitution, is a leftist. We have not been proven wrong yet. I think T Hunt nailed it.

Quote from: Possum on April 21, 2021, 11:13:02 AM
Pretty much anyone who comes here with the bull shit you have brought, to convince others that we need to get rid of parts of the constitution, is a leftist. We have not been proven wrong yet. I think T Hunt nailed it.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to believe anything.  I stated that I think getting rid of the EC is the way to go because a) I want each person's vote to count as one vote in all elections and b) the primary reason it was put into place is no longer an issue.

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 11:51:27 AM
I'm not trying to convince anyone to believe anything.  I stated that I think getting rid of the EC is the way to go because a) I want each person's vote to count as one vote in all elections and b) the primary reason it was put into place is no longer an issue.

Wrong on both counts again!
Every vote counts and the EC was put in place to level the playing field in order to protect States and smaller communities.
What you're proposing is definitely mob rule.

There is no such thing as a Blue State, only a smattering of Dim ruled ruled shithole cities, these cities would dictate over the entire country. That's Mob Rule!

Quote from: Hoofer on April 21, 2021, 12:54:35 PM

EXACTLY! Who did the broken system help?

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 11:51:27 AM
I'm not trying to convince anyone to believe anything.  I stated that I think getting rid of the EC is the way to go because a) I want each person's vote to count as one vote in all elections and b) the primary reason it was put into place is no longer an issue.

Fine, you stated it and nobody agreed with you. Are you waiting on a trophy? Do you want a pat on the back? If you are waiting for someone to agree with you, be prepared for a long wait. We hear this liberal crap all the time.