Quote from: RV on July 14, 2021, 04:56:30 AMI agree with "walkstall", I have GOT to see this. Frankly, I'll be surprised if it happens.

It depends on these Marxists next move. This was a very stupid move and they realize it now.

Quote from: Possum on July 14, 2021, 05:04:24 AMI guess we will see something more in the line of "house arrest" or being watched 24-7. But would not be surprised to see the cuffs if they would try to run again. this is a waste of tax money, if they stay away for the whole special session, another one will be called. They have made this a showdown now, and the republicans will get to pass anything they want, there will be no compromising with the democrats over this.

I fully support arresting politicians for wasting tax money, but that also isn't going to happen.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 14, 2021, 07:10:24 AMI fully support arresting politicians for wasting tax money, but that also isn't going to happen.

You have to ask yourself, will it help or hurt the Dims to be seen in cuffs.
This is political theater, that's all, and both sides will play it to their best advantage.

Seeing Dims frog marched is great optics for the right, shows strength against the enemy, but we all know, the GOP are cowards and usually support the left in times like this.
If Abbot goes through with it, it means he's broken with the RINO Establishment, if he doesn't, it exposes he's merely a puppet.

Christy Noem destroyed her political career by folding, will Abbot?

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 14, 2021, 07:10:24 AMI fully support arresting politicians for wasting tax money, but that also isn't going to happen.

All politicians?

What do you consider a waste of money?

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 14, 2021, 08:37:37 AMAll politicians?

What do you consider a waste of money?

It was a general comment about the wasteful nature of government and the fact that virtually nobody, at least at a federal level, does anything to curb wasteful spending.

It's been a long time since I've actually seen a list of all of the unnecessary government agencies, but I would get rid of the NSA, Department of Education, virtually all of the IRS (if not all of it), probably the CIA, DEA....it would take time to put together a comprehensive list.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 14, 2021, 09:11:11 AMIt was a general comment about the wasteful nature of government and the fact that virtually nobody, at least at a federal level, does anything to curb wasteful spending.

It's been a long time since I've actually seen a list of all of the unnecessary government agencies, but I would get rid of the NSA, Department of Education, virtually all of the IRS (if not all of it), probably the CIA, DEA....it would take time to put together a comprehensive list.

Trump did. He started draining the swamp, which is the first step in curbing wasteful spending.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 14, 2021, 09:11:11 AMIt was a general comment about the wasteful nature of government and the fact that virtually nobody, at least at a federal level, does anything to curb wasteful spending.

It's been a long time since I've actually seen a list of all of the unnecessary government agencies, but I would get rid of the NSA, Department of Education, virtually all of the IRS (if not all of it), probably the CIA, DEA....it would take time to put together a comprehensive list.

Would you defund the deepstate?

Quote from: T Hunt on July 14, 2021, 09:39:40 AMTrump did. He started draining the swamp, which is the first step in curbing wasteful spending.

Trump did nothing to curb spending.  He "went along to get along" on budget bills and stimulus bills just like every other politician.

IRS can be simplified. Flat tax. Something along those lines. I would put limits on spending. We better have the best roads or the best military on the planet before anything of these "pet projects".

Welfare will be micromanaged. You are not going to just collect money (including continuing to have kids) without doing some kind of work. We will have the cleanest highways and the prettiest ghettos in the world.

No foreign country will get any money from the USA, unless we can micromanage that money and get something in return. None of that giving money for years to a corrupt, third world nations

I would arrest anybody who doesn't get rid of toll roads. Our Federal taxes pay for roads. Why do we have to continually have to pay in order to use them?

Other organizations have their use. But, the problem is when they but politics before country. Arrest those in charge.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 14, 2021, 09:42:48 AMTrump did nothing to curb spending.  He "went along to get along" on budget bills and stimulus bills just like every other politician.

Now you are lying again.
Trump did everything under the power of the president to reduce spending in the executive branch and was quite successful in curbing the dems rampant spending. Remember, Tax cuts actually INCREASE the money coming into the treasury.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017/03/13/trump-budget-could-cut-federal-bureaucrats-by-highest-levels-since-end-of-world-war-two/

And that is just the top one of many many examples that came up from a simple search of how trump reduced the government, and thus spending.
Remember, Trump has 0 responsibility for any of the spending coming from congress.
So as far as trumps part of the government is concerned he did a great job of controlling spending.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 14, 2021, 09:52:41 AMIRS can be simplified. Flat tax. Something along those lines. I would put limits on spending. We better have the best roads or the best military on the planet before anything of these "pet projects".

Ive heard 3 options Im open too...
1) A flat income tax.
2) No income tax, but a federal sales tax instead. So this wld be govt taxing businesses and not individuals.
3) Where the federal govt only taxes the states, not businesses or individuals. And then each state decides for themselves how to tax their own citizens.

QuoteWelfare will be micromanaged. You are not going to just collect money (including continuing to have kids) without doing some kind of work. We will have the cleanest highways and the prettiest ghettos in the world.

If by micromanaged you mean the states themselves manage all welfare and keep the feds out of welfare.

QuoteNo foreign country will get any money from the USA, unless we can micromanage that money and get something in return. None of that giving money for years to a corrupt, third world nations

Agreed.

QuoteI would arrest anybody who doesn't get rid of toll roads. Our Federal taxes pay for roads. Why do we have to continually have to pay in order to use them?

Now Ive only ever ridden over one toll bridge, over the missouri. But I was under the impression that toll roads were private businesses where the business handles the road maintenance and emergencies. I thought toll roads were better run than govt roads? This is just what I heard long ago so I could be totally wrong.

QuoteOther organizations have their use. But, the problem is when they but politics before country. Arrest those in charge.

Agreed.

Quote from: T Hunt on July 14, 2021, 10:04:01 AMIve heard 3 options Im open too...
1) A flat income tax
2) No income tax, but a federal sales tax instead. So this wld be govt taxing businesses and not individual.
3) Where the federal govt only taxes the states, not businesses or individuals. And then each state decides for themselves how to tax their own citizens.
If by micromanaged you mean the states themselves manage all welfare and keep the feds out of welfare.
Agreed.
Now Ive only ever ridden over one toll bridge, over the missouri. But I was under the impression that toll roads where private businesses where the business handles the road maintenance and emergencies. I thought toll roads were better run than govt roads? This is just what I heard long ago so I could be totally wrong.
Agreed.

I like the other tax plans. I will also ban taxing things you already own. My car has been paid for. Why do I need to continually pay a tax on it? We can fund the necessary functions of government without it. I would audit the gas tax revenues.

Micro managed mainly meaning they are not going to just receive benefits with giving nothing in return. One thing to receive unemployment for a year )after you have worked). We will not have women treating their vagina as an ATM machine.

No tolls. Period.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 14, 2021, 10:17:54 AMI like the other tax plans. I will also ban taxing things you already own. My car has been paid for. Why do I need to continually pay a tax on it? We can fund the necessary functions of government without it. I would audit the gas tax revenues.

Micro managed mainly meaning they are not going to just receive benefits with giving nothing in return. One thing to receive unemployment for a year )after you have worked). We will not have women treating their vagina as an ATM machine.

No tolls. Period.

Ya it seems like paying annual tax on cars and other property is just a form of rent. Especially when you can be evicted for not paying. I dont like the idea of us renting our homes from the govt.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 14, 2021, 10:17:54 AMI like the other tax plans. I will also ban taxing things you already own. My car has been paid for. Why do I need to continually pay a tax on it? We can fund the necessary functions of government without it. I would audit the gas tax revenues.

Micro managed mainly meaning they are not going to just receive benefits with giving nothing in return. One thing to receive unemployment for a year )after you have worked). We will not have women treating their vagina as an ATM machine.

No tolls. Period.

I worked in the Welfare department (Internal Security)  We monitored payments to make sure our employees were not doing anything illegal. 

Welfare is often generational - when Mama stops being able to have babies it was often their teenage daughters who would come in pregnant. So either they still lived with Mama or Mama raised the grandbabies.  I remember one Russian family had 14 kids - food stamps alone was well over $1,600 a month.  Add to that the schooling scam (I jokingly told one of my daughters to get pregnant so her schooling would be covered), the Welfare Aid money, MediCal, and my last few years there rent assistance. (Another big scam.)  Welfare is a money maker if you work the system correctly.  Toy

Quote from: T Hunt on July 14, 2021, 10:04:01 AMIve heard 3 options Im open too...
1) A flat income tax.
2) No income tax, but a federal sales tax instead. So this wld be govt taxing businesses and not individuals.
3) Where the federal govt only taxes the states, not businesses or individuals. And then each state decides for themselves how to tax their own citizens.
If by micromanaged you mean the states themselves manage all welfare and keep the feds out of welfare.
Agreed.
Now Ive only ever ridden over one toll bridge, over the missouri. But I was under the impression that toll roads were private businesses where the business handles the road maintenance and emergencies. I thought toll roads were better run than govt roads? This is just what I heard long ago so I could be totally wrong.
Agreed.

A federal sales tax would be ideal, if it came with a constitutional amendment to lock it in at a specific, appropriate rate.