Quote from: milos on May 16, 2015, 11:41:44 PM
I am actually being concerned for what might fell into a conspiracy theory. Because, before Obama was elected, some conspiracy theorists claimed United States will have a black president and a woman president. They were right about the black president, so... Don't know what to think. If it shall be a woman president, then better to be a Conservative one. But this is probably just a crazy way of thinking.

Of course, you just follow your Conservative ideas, that is the right way.

Some Libertarians are pro-life. Julie Borowski is pro-life. Ron Paul is pro-life. They believe human life begins with conception, and I agree with them. It is an obvious fact of nature that human life begins with conception. And so if we want to protect human life, liberty, and property, we should start with conception. All civilized countries have laws against murder already, they should just apply them to abortion as one of the many ways to kill a human being.

Being a Libertine is far far away from being a Libertarian. Libertines are devoid of moral restraints, which they find unnecessary. Libertarians believe in a strict rule of law which protects human life, liberty, and property. In a Libertarian society, Libertines would probably all be jailed for crimes against human life, liberty, and property.

You would be correct about Libertarians and what it has been historically.
But what has happened since the collapse of the Dim party under the Marxists has driven the idealistic and immoral base away and towards the Libertarian movement, and in the process is morphing it's true meanings based in Conservative ideals and Statesmanship, into one of anarchy, where drug use is considered a liberty, a Right not to be infringed upon.

Yes, they are becoming Libertines due to an influx of kids, clueless of our history with no thought for the future, only themselves.
They think Libertarianism means no govt.

Quote from: Solar on May 17, 2015, 06:30:04 AM
You would be correct about Libertarians and what it has been historically.
But what has happened since the collapse of the Dim party under the Marxists has driven the idealistic and immoral base away and towards the Libertarian movement, and in the process is morphing it's true meanings based in Conservative ideals and Statesmanship, into one of anarchy, where drug use is considered a liberty, a Right not to be infringed upon.

Yes, they are becoming Libertines due to an influx of kids, clueless of our history with no thought for the future, only themselves.
They think Libertarianism means no govt.

Someone needs to enlighten them on "anarchy." ....... not exactly paradise!

Quote from: milos on May 16, 2015, 11:41:44 PM
I am actually being concerned for what might fell into a conspiracy theory. Because, before Obama was elected, some conspiracy theorists claimed United States will have a black president and a woman president. They were right about the black president, so... Don't know what to think. If it shall be a woman president, then better to be a Conservative one. But this is probably just a crazy way of thinking.

Of course, you just follow your Conservative ideas, that is the right way.

Some Libertarians are pro-life. Julie Borowski is pro-life. Ron Paul is pro-life. They believe human life begins with conception, and I agree with them. It is an obvious fact of nature that human life begins with conception. And so if we want to protect human life, liberty, and property, we should start with conception. All civilized countries have laws against murder already, they should just apply them to abortion as one of the many ways to kill a human being.

Being a Libertine is far far away from being a Libertarian. Libertines are devoid of moral restraints, which they find unnecessary. Libertarians believe in a strict rule of law which protects human life, liberty, and property. In a Libertarian society, Libertines would probably all be jailed for crimes against human life, liberty, and property.

I'm not sold on that one yet.  I think he's Asian.

Quote from: Solar on May 17, 2015, 06:30:04 AM
You would be correct about Libertarians and what it has been historically.
But what has happened since the collapse of the Dim party under the Marxists has driven the idealistic and immoral base away and towards the Libertarian movement, and in the process is morphing it's true meanings based in Conservative ideals and Statesmanship, into one of anarchy, where drug use is considered a liberty, a Right not to be infringed upon.

Yes, they are becoming Libertines due to an influx of kids, clueless of our history with no thought for the future, only themselves.
They think Libertarianism means no govt.

That is why I am constantly being confused there is actually any difference at all between American Conservatives and Libertarians. Because, America was originally meant to enable personal liberty, free trade, minarchist government.

I suppose you are right about the current state of things in Libertarian movement, because you live there and you know better. But, if someone thinks there is no moral law, then he certainly is not a Libertarian. Because, Libertarians believe in a certain and strict moral law, which says: "A crime is when you infringe other people's life, liberty, or property." It is so simple, but yet powerful moral code. I can't imagine anyone who believes in this Libertarian moral code could ever become a Libertine. About a drug use, this moral code also applies to it: if you use drugs, then it is your private business; but if you force someone else on using drugs, then you have committed a crime. And why should government punish me if I use drugs? Or alcohol? Or if I smoke tobacco? If I didn't force anyone else to use it, then there is no crime committed. It looks like a common sense to me.

Quote from: kroz on May 17, 2015, 12:19:39 PM
Someone needs to enlighten them on "anarchy." ....... not exactly paradise!

There are different types of Anarchy. Left Anarchists are always some kind of hooligans, assassinators, or terrorists, they are close to Libertines. But Anarcho-Capitalists believe in protection of human life, liberty, and property, and would never be hooligans, assassinators, or terrorists. Although Anarchy is impossible in real life, because people always form some kind of state when they join together.

Quote from: taxed on May 17, 2015, 09:10:19 PM
I'm not sold on that one yet.  I think he's Asian.

Come on, Nigeria is in Africa?

Quote from: milos on May 18, 2015, 06:31:16 AM
About a drug use, this moral code also applies to it: if you use drugs, then it is your private business; but if you force someone else on using drugs, then you have committed a crime. And why should government punish me if I use drugs? Or alcohol? Or if I smoke tobacco? If I didn't force anyone else to use it, then there is no crime committed. It looks like a common sense to me.

You touched on the issue libs can't grasp, wherein lies the problem.
Libs gravitate to a system that appears to give freedoms that slap in the face of culture under the illusion of Liberty, all the while neglecting the moral code of Libertarianism.

In other words, "Laws for thee, not for me", you live by the code that I can do whatever I please, from bestiality to cooking crank as long as I'm on my own property.
Libs completely misrepresent Libertarianism.

Here is the newest video made by Julie, and she is spot on. This one describes the difference between Libertarian and Liberal understanding of freedom of speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYfywjmJdg0