Quote from: T Hunt on September 17, 2022, 04:32:47 PMI have to wonder, is it the citizens of this community asking for these things? Or is it the strongmen, the gangsters and thugs whom the government is giving what they ask for?

Good question. IMHO, it is for the crime element, meaning those who can not function within the law, that the government is making the changes, but it is the citizens who blindly follow, who encourage the rules change, who want to see this because it makes them feel good to be making changes. Ex., San Francisco, passing out the free needles, making shoplifting a no crime, allowing the homeless to follow no law, allowing crime to become rampant is being done in the name of "doing something to fix the homeless problem". None of this could be allowed if not for the liberals who are mainly middle class, who wish to see "mankind" make their own choices, live free, and not face conviction for their choices. If the citizens/homeless in question took a high level of responsibility, if they made decisions based on morals, this part of society might have a chance to contribute to the greater good. Instead we have people crapping in the street, making the whole area unsafe, and overdosing on drugs. We see where what is being done is the complete wrong way to manage this problem, we can see the "solution" is killing not only the homeless but also the society. Those who could vote them out, won't, because the "greater good" is to, set up utopia for them, they deserve the right to choose, blah, blah.
  T Hunt, this is just one wild ass guess. We have seen too many beautiful cities literally go to the dogs, we have seen too many cases where those who can not even use a restroom, are given more "rights" to be free and they end up destroying themselves and all those around them because they can not handle those rights, they do not have the morals to function in society. But in the background of each of those cities, is a group of people voting and nodding their head in approval.

Yeah, Sometimes I ramble on. 

Quote from: Possum on September 17, 2022, 05:06:19 PMGood question. IMHO, it is for the crime element, meaning those who can not function within the law, that the government is making the changes, but it is the citizens who blindly follow, who encourage the rules change, who want to see this because it makes them feel good to be making changes. Ex., San Francisco, passing out the free needles, making shoplifting a no crime, allowing the homeless to follow no law, allowing crime to become rampant is being done in the name of "doing something to fix the homeless problem". None of this could be allowed if not for the liberals who are mainly middle class, who wish to see "mankind" make their own choices, live free, and not face conviction for their choices. If the citizens/homeless in question took a high level of responsibility, if they made decisions based on morals, this part of society might have a chance to contribute to the greater good. Instead we have people crapping in the street, making the whole area unsafe, and overdosing on drugs. We see where what is being done is the complete wrong way to manage this problem, we can see the "solution" is killing not only the homeless but also the society. Those who could vote them out, won't, because the "greater good" is to, set up utopia for them, they deserve the right to choose, blah, blah.
  T Hunt, this is just one wild ass guess. We have seen too many beautiful cities literally go to the dogs, we have seen too many cases where those who can not even use a restroom, are given more "rights" to be free and they end up destroying themselves and all those around them because they can not handle those rights, they do not have the morals to function in society. But in the background of each of those cities, is a group of people voting and nodding their head in approval.

Yeah, Sometimes I ramble on. 

No its ok, I dont mind long replies.

I will concede you might be right, in fact Im sure you are partially right in that there is always a block of useful idiots aiding the enemy with their votes, having been fooled by the lefts lies and enticed by their immorality.

But here is where I want to expand. The left has always come from the cities, that has always been their strong points, and we know from things like Tammany Hall in the 1800s, that cheating has always been rampant in the cities.

I content that the people as a whole in the cities never voted in the evil, but that the evil was able to engorge the useful idiot block to APPEAR large enough to run cover for their cheating to get them over the line.

They do everything in their power to increase the size of this block of useful idiots, yet, IMHO, I think this block is rarely ever large enough to actually keep the left in power, but it IS big enough to run cover for their rampant cheating.

Not sure this is the case, just my theory. Yours could equally be correct. Time will tell.

Quote from: T Hunt on September 17, 2022, 04:32:47 PMI have to wonder, is it the citizens of this community asking for these things? Or is it the strongmen, the gangsters and thugs whom the government is giving what they ask for?

BINGO!!!
This is where the actual Libertarians are in a fight with the LIB-ertarian Anarchists.
Like many here, we used to align with the Libertarian movement, but that disappeared long ago when Gary ran the party into the ground, on purpose and made it a home for pissed off libs.

The first part of the GOP plan was to usurp the party with a RINO, make it weak, so conservatives bail on it and back to the GOP.
This was really a genius move because libs filled the void, further eroding a pretty good movement into one of hate filled anarchists.

This is much like the fight Patriots are in with the GOP'E, difference is, we're winning.

Quote from: Possum on September 17, 2022, 05:06:19 PMGood question. IMHO, it is for the crime element, meaning those who can not function within the law, that the government is making the changes, but it is the citizens who blindly follow, who encourage the rules change, who want to see this because it makes them feel good to be making changes. Ex., San Francisco, passing out the free needles, making shoplifting a no crime, allowing the homeless to follow no law, allowing crime to become rampant is being done in the name of "doing something to fix the homeless problem". None of this could be allowed if not for the liberals who are mainly middle class, who wish to see "mankind" make their own choices, live free, and not face conviction for their choices. If the citizens/homeless in question took a high level of responsibility, if they made decisions based on morals, this part of society might have a chance to contribute to the greater good. Instead we have people crapping in the street, making the whole area unsafe, and overdosing on drugs. We see where what is being done is the complete wrong way to manage this problem, we can see the "solution" is killing not only the homeless but also the society. Those who could vote them out, won't, because the "greater good" is to, set up utopia for them, they deserve the right to choose, blah, blah.
  T Hunt, this is just one wild ass guess. We have seen too many beautiful cities literally go to the dogs, we have seen too many cases where those who can not even use a restroom, are given more "rights" to be free and they end up destroying themselves and all those around them because they can not handle those rights, they do not have the morals to function in society. But in the background of each of those cities, is a group of people voting and nodding their head in approval.

Yeah, Sometimes I ramble on. 

Ahh, I get it! They want Democracy, mob Rule!    
Or as most intelligent people call it, Communism.