Quote from: Possum on June 02, 2023, 05:32:56 AMWell how about for once you grow up and be specific about what the hell you are talking about. You love to make comments while making sure they are so vague you can hide behind them. Who, what, and where are you specifically talking about. This is a debate forum!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not a comment and run.

I'm talking about the fact that Biden set the record for most popular votes and it's not because of millions of fraudulent or illegal votes.  The only voters that Trump brings out, more than MAGA, is anti-Trump.

Quote from: ZenMode on June 02, 2023, 02:40:05 PMThat's not what I said....either time I said it.

QuoteI think there was voter fraud. I think there were some illegal changes (the courts have already ruled some were illegal).  I don't believe, by any stretch of the imagination, that those two facts come close to accounting for the popular vote gap between Trump and Biden. 

Ok, explain exactly what you meant here. You admit fraud, but not enough to win. So which is it, DID THE FRAUD GIVE BIDEN THE ELECTION???????

Quote from: ZenMode on June 02, 2023, 03:02:19 PMI'm talking about the fact that Biden set the record for most popular votes and it's not because of millions of fraudulent or illegal votes.  The only voters that Trump brings out, more than MAGA, is anti-Trump.

Let me guess, you have not subtracted the fraud votes????  Why did the democrats go all out to cheat if the demented fool was so damn popular? Do you think it was because his V.P. choice was so popular? Where are there popularity numbers now? Hate to tell you this, THEY CHEATED TO WIN! PERIOD!

Quote from: Possum on June 02, 2023, 03:10:27 PMOk, explain exactly what you meant here. You admit fraud, but not enough to win. So which is it, DID THE FRAUD GIVE BIDEN THE ELECTION???????

I will say the same thing that I have previously. We don't know exactly how many votes came as a result of the changes that were later determined to be illegal. We also don't know how many votes came from fraud. I am incredibly confident that it was not anywhere close to 1 million, much less the 9 million vote margin that Biden won by. Given how horrible of a candidate Biden was, it seems pretty clear that his record setting popular vote total had virtually nothing to do with him and everything to do with people wanting to keep Trump out of office. There is absolutely no reason to believe that will change in 2024.

Quote from: ZenMode on June 02, 2023, 03:35:26 PMI will say the same thing that I have previously. We don't know exactly how many votes came as a result of the changes that were later determined to be illegal. We also don't know how many votes came from fraud. I am incredibly confident that it was not anywhere close to 1 million, much less the 9 million vote margin that Biden won by. Given how horrible of a candidate Biden was, it seems pretty clear that his record setting popular vote total had virtually nothing to do with him and everything to do with people wanting to keep Trump out of office. There is absolutely no reason to believe that will change in 2024.

Here are the facts

Arizona went for Biden by 12,000 votes.  11 Electoral votes

Wisconsin went to Biden by 20,000 votes    10 Electoral  votes

Michigan went to Biden by 150,000 Votes    16 Electoral votes

Pennsylvania went to Biden by 80,000 votes  20 Electoral  votes

Georgia went to Biden by 12,000 votes        16 Electoral votes.

A total of 274,000 votes gave Biden the election. You keep claiming a 9 million margin popular vote. Hate to tell you this but that has absolutely nothing to do with the election. Several times we have had the winning candidate lose the popular vote but win the electoral vote. These are the states that fraud gave the election away.

Quote from: ZenMode on June 02, 2023, 03:35:26 PMI will say the same thing that I have previously. We don't know exactly how many votes came as a result of the changes that were later determined to be illegal. We also don't know how many votes came from fraud. I am incredibly confident that it was not anywhere close to 1 million, much less the 9 million vote margin that Biden won by. Given how horrible of a candidate Biden was, it seems pretty clear that his record setting popular vote total had virtually nothing to do with him and everything to do with people wanting to keep Trump out of office. There is absolutely no reason to believe that will change in 2024.

Then explain how 137.5 million more voted in 2020, than in 2016 when Hillary lost? Hillary was their savior, Biden was a laughing stock, couldn't even fill an elementary school cafeteria

There's far more out there proving loss, but then, you have to actually read instead of listening to CNN talking points.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/2020-presidential-election-voting-report.html

Hell, even RCP questioned the election.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/03/28/new_peer-reviewed_research_finds_evidence_of_2020_voter_fraud_147378.html#!

Quote from: Possum on June 02, 2023, 04:40:27 PMHere are the facts

Arizona went for Biden by 12,000 votes.  11 Electoral votes

Wisconsin went to Biden by 20,000 votes    10 Electoral  votes

Michigan went to Biden by 150,000 Votes    16 Electoral votes

Pennsylvania went to Biden by 80,000 votes  20 Electoral  votes

Georgia went to Biden by 12,000 votes        16 Electoral votes.

A total of 274,000 votes gave Biden the election. You keep claiming a 9 million margin popular vote. Hate to tell you this but that has absolutely nothing to do with the election. Several times we have had the winning candidate lose the popular vote but win the electoral vote. These are the states that fraud gave the election away.

He'll refuse to recognize it.

Quote from: Solar on June 02, 2023, 07:36:08 PMThen explain how 137.5 million more voted in 2020, than in 2016 when Hillary lost? Hillary was their savior, Biden was a laughing stock, couldn't even fill an elementary school cafeteria

There's far more out there proving loss, but then, you have to actually read instead of listening to CNN talking points.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/2020-presidential-election-voting-report.html

Hell, even RCP questioned the election.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/03/28/new_peer-reviewed_research_finds_evidence_of_2020_voter_fraud_147378.html#!

Because people probably believed that Hillary was the chosen one and Trump had no chance.  I was shocked Trump won. MANY people were shocked Trump won.  People didn't take a Trump loss for granted and came out in droves to make sure he didn't win again in 2020.

Quote from: ZenMode on June 02, 2023, 11:03:58 PMBecause people probably believed that Hillary was the chosen one and Trump had no chance.  I was shocked Trump won. MANY people were shocked Trump won.  People didn't take a Trump loss for granted and came out in droves to make sure he didn't win again in 2020.

Nothing but opinion. A bad one at that.

Quote from: ZenMode on June 02, 2023, 11:03:58 PMBecause people probably believed that Hillary was the chosen one and Trump had no chance.  I was shocked Trump won. MANY people were shocked Trump won.  People didn't take a Trump loss for granted and came out in droves to make sure he didn't win again in 2020.

MORE people voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016, indicating they liked how he ran the country.

Quote from: ZenMode on June 02, 2023, 11:03:58 PMBecause people probably believed that Hillary was the chosen one and Trump had no chance.  I was shocked Trump won. MANY people were shocked Trump won.  People didn't take a Trump loss for granted and came out in droves to make sure he didn't win again in 2020.

Remember, we didn't even vote for him the first time around. Nearly a third of the base didn't trust him.
You didn't even account for those numbers of people who came out in force the second time around.
Then you just neglected the articles disproving your BS straight up, and neither are or were Trump supporters.

And you want people to give your opinion weight? Now that I think about it, you haven't been right about one thing since you've been here.
Doesn't it get embarrassing after awhile? You know, always having to support the commies failure, regardless?

Quote from: Solar on June 02, 2023, 07:36:08 PMThen explain how 137.5 million more voted in 2020, than in 2016 when Hillary lost? Hillary was their savior, Biden was a laughing stock, couldn't even fill an elementary school cafeteria

There's far more out there proving loss, but then, you have to actually read instead of listening to CNN talking points.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/2020-presidential-election-voting-report.html

Hell, even RCP questioned the election.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/03/28/new_peer-reviewed_research_finds_evidence_of_2020_voter_fraud_147378.html#!

Where did you get 137.5 million more people voting in 2020?

Quote from: ZenMode on June 03, 2023, 06:32:42 AMWhere did you get 137.5 million more people voting in 2020?

Ohhh Noooo, you'll be forced to actually read the article?                  

You are a fuckin clown, stop bothering people with your stupidity!

Quote from: Solar on June 03, 2023, 06:47:54 AMOhhh Noooo, you'll be forced to actually read the article?                  

You are a fuckin clown, stop bothering people with your stupidity!

From your article:

More voters (154.6 million) turned out for the presidential election in 2020 than in 2016 (137.5 million), the largest increase between consecutive presidential elections since the inception of the CPS voting supplement in 1964.

That looks like 17 million more, not 137 million more.

Quote from: ZenMode on June 03, 2023, 06:51:04 AMFrom your article:

More voters (154.6 million) turned out for the presidential election in 2020 than in 2016 (137.5 million), the largest increase between consecutive presidential elections since the inception of the CPS voting supplement in 1964.

That looks like 17 million more, not 137 million more.

WTF did I just say about bothering people?
Seriously, I am sooo fuckin sick of your stupidity passing off as opinion.
I don't give a fuck what you have to say!