Quote from: Solar on July 12, 2016, 04:34:05 PM
You confuse values and principles with religion, that's a costly mistake.

No, I do not confuse values and principles with religion. A secular state understands the difference between government policy and personal prayer.

In contrast to a secular government, the Muslim culture is incapable of separating Allah from Government.

Each person's values and principles are derived from within an individual's heart. You can call it religion if you wish.
Business Principles are derived from evidence of financial success. Without integrity, one's personal principles whither.
Government Policies are derived from civil agreement in defining inappropriate behavior.

Hillary's behavior is despicable.

Trump's behavior is inspiring.

As you recognized, I only have Fourteen Million people with whom I agree regarding the vote for Trump.
If you do not vote, you fail our soldiers. If you fail to vote for Trump, you deny your own worth.

Solar Says,
"what the Founders envisioned was a free market void of govt.

False statement. Thus, Solar's mis-perception. The creation of the United States was all about dealing with money problems. Solar need's to read the Adventures of Rush Revere!

The Confederation was replaced by a Federal Government. The Founders did not envision a free market void of govt, silly Solar, the Founders knew that the independent Confederate States would not withstand their financial burden if the Federal Government did not take over.

Solar talks more than he knows.

Jonathan

Please learn to use the quote functionso people can follow. 

Quote from: Jonathan on July 13, 2016, 11:59:05 AM
No, I do not confuse values and principles with religion. A secular state understands the difference between government policy and personal prayer.

In contrast to a secular government, the Muslim culture is incapable of separating Allah from Government.

Each person's values and principles are derived from within an individual's heart. You can call it religion if you wish.
Business Principles are derived from evidence of financial success. Without integrity, one's personal principles whither.
Government Policies are derived from civil agreement in defining inappropriate behavior.

Hillary's behavior is despicable.

Trump's behavior is inspiring.

As you recognized, I only have Fourteen Million people with whom I agree regarding the vote for Trump.
If you do not vote, you fail our soldiers. If you fail to vote for Trump, you deny your own worth.

Uhh, remind me again how many of that 14 million were democrats? Also, remind me again what % of the GOP supports frump? Remind me why any conservative should forego their morals and life long convictions to vote for a life long NY liberal who has stood for everything we hate for his entire adult life?

Quote from: Double D on July 13, 2016, 12:19:47 PM
Uhh, remind me again how many of that 14 million were democrats? Also, remind me again what % of the GOP supports frump? Remind me why any conservative should forego their morals and life long convictions to vote for a life long NY liberal who has stood for everything we hate for his entire adult life?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUCLwWCihE

Quote from: Jonathan on July 12, 2016, 04:13:52 PM
Integrety
A business person does not gain success without integrity. Do you know of any rich auto mechanics? The rich auto mechanic has integrity, honesty, and dignity; with repeat business. Trump has not built his wealth on deceit, slight of hand, nor dishonesty. Financial success comes from dealing with lots of different people; on lots of different levels; about lots of different opinions; all cooperating for mutual benefit.

Trump's integrity is an admirable trait.

Many business people declare bankruptcy (note the federal law concerning bankruptcy as a legal option), make poor decisions, and fail at some things. Financial failure does not reflect lack of integrity. Financial success, on the other hand, does not come without integrity.

Business Sense
Remember, this Country was founded on the idea of business. The Tea Party was all about taxes. All business people are always concerned about taxes. Trump's business principles will guide our Nation back to a realistic business mentality.

Trumps principles will guide the country.

None of our other politicians know how to run a business. The Nation is a business; with a budget, with income and expenses, with Marketing challenges, and with competition from other forms of government and political rhetoric.

Separation of Church and State
Because Trump is not wearing his personal religious beliefs or principals on his shirt sleeves, like many, uninformed conservatives, Trump will make secular decisions (about ISIS) and not become involved with right or wrong but rather concern himself with your freedom to express either opinion.

The three above reasons strongly support the proposition that you should vote for Trump.

Money is the great equalizer. Access to it requires a free market. A free market requires a Republic. The Founding Fathers understood the power of money and thus created a Republic:  The United States of America.

Sorry, if you have been reading on this forum you would have seen he has been called out from the beginning, he is a liberal. Every promised made has been backtracked on, that is not integrity, that is a liar.  And by the way, his $ came from inheritance not  integrity.

Quote from: Jonathan on July 13, 2016, 11:59:05 AM
No, I do not confuse values and principles with religion. A secular state understands the difference between government policy and personal prayer.

In contrast to a secular government, the Muslim culture is incapable of separating Allah from Government.

Each person's values and principles are derived from within an individual's heart. You can call it religion if you wish.
Business Principles are derived from evidence of financial success. Without integrity, one's personal principles whither.
Government Policies are derived from civil agreement in defining inappropriate behavior.

Hillary's behavior is despicable.

Trump's behavior is inspiring.

As you recognized, I only have Fourteen Million people with whom I agree regarding the vote for Trump.
If you do not vote, you fail our soldiers. If you fail to vote for Trump, you deny your own worth.

Scamming money from innocent people and supporting universal health care?  Gee, my hero.

Quote from: Jonathan on July 13, 2016, 11:41:55 AM

Pure Bull Shit!!! I've been in business my entire life, some failures, others have been successes, but regardless, I always made good on my failures and debts, because that's what real men do, and they don't screw over their investors all for the sake of profit.

Here you mistake that "making good on failures and debts" is reflective of integrity.

Botched that one, didn't ya?
Try and color within the lines.


Obviously you've never been in business, or you'd know better than to get a loan from a bank.

QuoteBecause you were able to make good on your failures and debts, it just means that the risk that you took was low risk, because you were able to make good on your loan (the bank took no risk).

So please tell me, how is having a track record of integrity a mistake?
In your mind a 1.8 million is a low risk investment?

QuoteThose who stretch beyond their personal ability to repay a loan are the true entrepreneurs. You tried. Good for you. You paid your debts. Good for you.

It's one thing to believe in your project and yourself, but when you have other peoples money on the line, there is no such thing as not paying back their investment unless it was understood it was a risky investment.

QuoteTry stretching your limit next time. Learn how far lack of integrity won't take you if you need to partner up with other individuals who have greater wealth than you.
You found your comfort zone, good for you. Trump is not afraid to try bigger and better things.

No, I knew the risk going in, but when it didn't work, I repaid my debt, unlike Trump, where he hides behind an LLC with the design of bilking investors while still pulling a profit, yes, that's how Trump does it and it's underhanded.

QuoteAnd using the Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States was contemplated by the founding fathers. Did they have a lack of integrity because they considered that some folks might stretch their limits beyond their ability to pay back?

Seriously? The Founders adopted English law at the time, which was just short of debtors prison, because debtors were viewed as quasi felons, it wasn't until the late 1800s did the laws change.
No, bankruptcy is not a party of doing business, it's become a tool for the corrupt. I know, I grew up in a world where bankruptcy was viewed as the ultimate failure, public scorn was deserved.
Trump ios scum for using the courts as a weapon.

Quote
Imminent domain is another tool that has emerged out of the 5th Amendment, "without just compensation." Trying does not degrade a person's integrity.

Wow, if he was selling children to pedophiles, you'd probably applaud him for his entrepreneurship.

QuoteSolar Said,
"Straight to Hell, they [Trump Business Principles] would!
WRONG!!! The govt is not a business."

Here you miss the point again. Who else do you know has built a 9 billion dollar business out of a 1 million dollar budget? Business Principles always prevail. You know that, you owned a business.

You're a gullible fool for believing that BS.

QuoteAnd finally, again, your pointing finger points three back toward yourself. The govt is a business!

(1) The United States is a business that shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;

How is that a business?

Quote(2) The United States is a business that controls the number of people that come into the United States;

Number crunching bureaucrats are not business people.

Quote
(3) The United States is a business that provides laws for bankruptcy;

WTF? Now you're just showing your youth and inexperience.

Quote
(4) The United States is a business that promotes the Progress of Science and useful Arts; and

Show me where in the Constitution is was charged with such bull shit!

Quote(5) The United States is a business that regulates the Value of Money.

Holy Shit, did you actually spout that Communist bull shit?
What part of Free Fucking Market, do you not get?

QuoteYour perceptions parrot a poor prism.

Reread your Constitution. The United Stated entered into a business contract with the 13 States of the Confederation via Article VI, "All Debts contracted and Engagement entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

The govt was charged with the security of the States, PERIOD!!! That is not a Business, fool!

QuoteA graduate school Economics class would have given you the opportunity to learn that all governments develop a business agreement between the people and the bureaucracy.

Trump is a champion business person. Vote for Trump! 

More socialist pap!
Trump is a scam artist! I'll be writing in Cruz regardless along with millions of Americans.

Dear Mr. Solar,
Thank you for reading my writing. Your insipid responses have no meaning; just dribble that exposes a dull brain. Using adjectives and calling people names reflects on you like a mirror in the bathroom. After you flush your toilet and squirt a couple sprays of air freshener, take a deep breath and think. If you get dizzy thinking, go ahead a sit down at your computer and mindlessly type.

I am glad that you were able to pay back a $1.8M loan. Why didn't you borrow $5M? And why didn't you convert your $1.8M into $9B? Where do you draw the line between corrupt and successful? Succeeding requires skill. Don't underestimate your own ability. Certainly, you underestimate Trump's.

OK, sit back for a lesson on the Constitution.

If a person takes a risky investment, and can't pay it back, she declares Bankruptcy.
You believe, "bankruptcy is not a part of doing business, it's become a tool for the corrupt." Wrong you are. For an example, the Hebrew folk were required to forgive a loan after 7 years. Exactly, because debtor's prison is not beneficial to society. So caution goes to the lender. If a lender believes that a loan might not be paid back in 7 years, then the loan is not made. So when a person declares bankruptcy, it was not a one person show, several people made the decision to borrow/loan more than they could pay back, if the venture failed. Declaring Bankruptcy is not a corrupt endeavor.

The United States Constitution provides for Bankruptcy Laws. (see Article I, section 8, clause 4) That's business buddy.

Its ok, sit on the couch for a moment to reminisce, the tissue box is there on the bright white knitted doily, "I grew up in a world where bankruptcy was viewed as the ultimate failure, public scorn was deserved." You poor thing. Such abuse has stifled your intrepidness.

Bankruptcy is a fair-minded business tool. Gosh, sometimes the barn burns down and there ain't nobody to pay back the loan.

Your tears from the above admission fogged your vision because you failed to observe that the 5th Amendment allows for just compensation if the government takes private land for public use. In Trump's case the question was whether a new private development was such a benefit to the public that it would fit into the definition. He failed. But what about Larry Flint who succeeded at questioning whether his speech was beneficial to the public. So, Mr. Solar, your definition of corrupt is prejudiced by your upbringing. Open up a bit, fly a little.

YOU ASK, "How is that a business to protect the States from Invasion?" Like a security company is a business that protects your $1.8M investment from thieves, so is the Federal Government responsible for halting illegal immigration. When money is spent, business takes place. How elemental do we need to be here, Mr. Solar?

Dude, when a bureaucrat gets paid a salary, business is being conducted. Think about it. Union Contracts; Union Dues. Workman's comp, Health Insurance. Salaries being paid for family groceries, electric bill and housing costs. Come on Mr. Solar, number crunchers get paid big bucks. If you believe that such activity is NOT a business, then I understand your vehemence against Trump.

After attacking my youth, you ask me to, "Show me where in the Constitution is was charged with such bull shit!" Well, flip the pages of your Constitution to Article I, section 8, clause 8. Mr. Solar, read that section of the Constitution aloud to the class, please.

And finally Mr. Solar, please read clause 4, of that same section 8, in Article I of your Constitution. Your shock is understandable, if you are reading, for the first time, that the Government regulates the Value of Money.

The spouters of such above ideas came from your Founding Fathers. They are not communist, as you amply do not understand, "Holy Shit, did you actually spout that Communist bull shit? What part of Free Fucking Market, do you not get?"

Mr. Solar, consider yourself bare bottom spanked, in front of the all male class, by the the sexy, young nun with her wooden ruler.

As suggested in a far distant past post, go re-read your constitution. 

I think we should all vote for Trump. 

Quote from: Double D on July 13, 2016, 12:19:47 PM
Uhh, remind me again how many of that 14 million were democrats? Also, remind me again what % of the GOP supports frump? Remind me why any conservative should forego their morals and life long convictions to vote for a life long NY liberal who has stood for everything we hate for his entire adult life?

I do not know the numbers. I know that Trump garnered 14M votes.

Please elaborate on the demographics. I would like to know.
The GOP is bound to the delegate rules. So what ever % that may be. Rules, by the way, that a few GOP folks are attempting to change.

I know that somehow, out of the 14M votes that Trump received, he garnered more than enough delegates to win the republican nomination. From my studies, that's a pretty high hurtle to overcome. And he did it!

It's ok to join the multitudes. Lets not fight, we must unite!
We need Republicans at all levels of the political scene.

Vote for Trump.   

Quote from: Jonathan on July 13, 2016, 11:52:11 PM
I think we should all vote for Trump. 

I don't vote for draft dodgers.

Quote from: Jonathan on July 13, 2016, 11:52:11 PM
I think we should all vote for Trump. 

Oh really?  I am of the very FIRM belief NOT to vote for someone whom I feel will continue this country on its current path of destruction.  I also am a firm believer in NOT voting for the lesser of two evils.   His narcissistic personality is not only offensive but dangerous. Certainly anyone in their right mind is not going to vote to give one of the most wealthiest narcissistic, psychotic men in the world one of the most powerful positions in the world. To do so is absolute sheer lunacy. Trump had no clue that we are a Republic, not a Democracy, nor does he comprehend or know the functions of the 3 branches of our government.  He hasn't a clue about the Constitution nor does he understand what the function of the Supreme Court is. He is unfit to be Commander in Chief.

Listening to him makes me cringe; he has nothing of substance to say and repeats him self in an effort to make it appear that he actually has something to say; he is nothing more than a hollow drum. He lacks integrity and is a fraud.  So, why would I vote for him??  Because he has an 'R' by his name on the ballot?   


#NeverTRUMP

Quote from: Jonathan on July 14, 2016, 12:04:48 AM
I do not know the numbers. I know that Trump garnered 14M votes.

Please elaborate on the demographics. I would like to know.
The GOP is bound to the delegate rules. So what ever % that may be. Rules, by the way, that a few GOP folks are attempting to change.

I know that somehow, out of the 14M votes that Trump received, he garnered more than enough delegates to win the republican nomination. From my studies, that's a pretty high hurtle to overcome. And he did it!

It's ok to join the multitudes. Lets not fight, we must unite!
We need Republicans at all levels of the political scene.

Vote for Trump.   

Only problem Johnathan, those who are unwilling to vote for Trump do have INTEGRITY.  It is their integrity that WILL prevent them from voting for the orange buffoon.  Perhaps you missed the fact that Donny received a lot of DEM votes ... they wanted him as the nominee ... they know he doesn't stand a chance in the general.  He is a siphon for the DEMS and his intent has clearly been to ensure Hillary is seated.

By the way, I have spent many, many hours working towards the reconstruction of this country.  The way I see things, either you can be a part of rebuilding our country or you can be a part of its continued destruction.  I believe it is my duty to my country to support and honor its Constitution and I believe in a government of the people, by the people and for the people.  You need to remember that the power of the government is supposed to be derived from the consent of the governed.

Cruz.  Reigniting the Promise of America!!

Quote from: Jonathan on July 13, 2016, 11:33:21 PM
Dear Mr. Solar,
Thank you for reading my writing. Your insipid responses have no meaning; just dribble that exposes a dull brain. Using adjectives and calling people names reflects on you like a mirror in the bathroom. After you flush your toilet and squirt a couple sprays of air freshener, take a deep breath and think. If you get dizzy thinking, go ahead a sit down at your computer and mindlessly type.

I am glad that you were able to pay back a $1.8M loan. Why didn't you borrow $5M? And why didn't you convert your $1.8M into $9B? Where do you draw the line between corrupt and successful? Succeeding requires skill. Don't underestimate your own ability. Certainly, you underestimate Trump's.

OK, sit back for a lesson on the Constitution.

If a person takes a risky investment, and can't pay it back, she declares Bankruptcy.
You believe, "bankruptcy is not a part of doing business, it's become a tool for the corrupt." Wrong you are. For an example, the Hebrew folk were required to forgive a loan after 7 years. Exactly, because debtor's prison is not beneficial to society. So caution goes to the lender. If a lender believes that a loan might not be paid back in 7 years, then the loan is not made. So when a person declares bankruptcy, it was not a one person show, several people made the decision to borrow/loan more than they could pay back, if the venture failed. Declaring Bankruptcy is not a corrupt endeavor.

The United States Constitution provides for Bankruptcy Laws. (see Article I, section 8, clause 4) That's business buddy.

Does Govt produce anything consumable, a product of any kind? No, it's a leach on society, it's sole existence is to feed itself, that is not how business works.
Business: A commercial or industrial enterprise'
The activity of providing goods and services involving financial and commercial and industrial aspects
Those are basic definitions of business. Now you've been schooled!

QuoteIts ok, sit on the couch for a moment to reminisce, the tissue box is there on the bright white knitted doily, "I grew up in a world where bankruptcy was viewed as the ultimate failure, public scorn was deserved." You poor thing. Such abuse has stifled your intrepidness.

Bankruptcy is a fair-minded business tool. Gosh, sometimes the barn burns down and there ain't nobody to pay back the loan.

Son, cut the patronizing bull shit, you're talking to an actual adult that's lived the experience, and now retired, in fact, I lived it so precise, that I was able to retire in my early 40s.
What have you done with your life other than leach off mommy and whine that life is unfair?

QuoteYour tears from the above admission fogged your vision because you failed to observe that the 5th Amendment allows for just compensation if the government takes private land for public use. In Trump's case the question was whether a new private development was such a benefit to the public that it would fit into the definition. He failed. But what about Larry Flint who succeeded at questioning whether his speech was beneficial to the public. So, Mr. Solar, your definition of corrupt is prejudiced by your upbringing. Open up a bit, fly a little.

So if I were a wealthy billionaire and I focused on your moms property, which threatens your basement domicile, how could you stop me if I want it badly enough?
Remember, I have the financial means to keep her in court, spending her fixed income, forcing you to get an actual job, and in the end, owning your 235 govt housing.

QuoteYOU ASK, "How is that a business to protect the States from Invasion?" Like a security company is a business that protects your $1.8M investment from thieves, so is the Federal Government responsible for halting illegal immigration. When money is spent, business takes place. How elemental do we need to be here, Mr. Solar?

A simple business can't write law to affect it's existence. What a fool!

QuoteDude, when a bureaucrat gets paid a salary, business is being conducted. Think about it. Union Contracts; Union Dues. Workman's comp, Health Insurance. Salaries being paid for family groceries, electric bill and housing costs. Come on Mr. Solar, number crunchers get paid big bucks. If you believe that such activity is NOT a business, then I understand your vehemence against Trump.

Where did the money originate, how was it secured and what was the end product? Come on business genius, answer the question~!
You see, now you're being completely hypocritical, in one sentence you claim the 16th is illegal, and if abolished, would make your argument for Trump and his abuse of governmental laws illegal.

QuoteAfter attacking my youth, you ask me to, "Show me where in the Constitution is was charged with such bull shit!" Well, flip the pages of your Constitution to Article I, section 8, clause 8. Mr. Solar, read that section of the Constitution aloud to the class, please.

And finally Mr. Solar, please read clause 4, of that same section 8, in Article I of your Constitution. Your shock is understandable, if you are reading, for the first time, that the Government regulates the Value of Money.

WOW, even yet more hypocrisy.

QuoteThe spouters of such above ideas came from your Founding Fathers. They are not communist, as you amply do not understand, "Holy Shit, did you actually spout that Communist bull shit? What part of Free Fucking Market, do you not get?"

Really, the Founders created laws that gave govt the power to asses your earnings, the fruits of your labor?
There you go again, advocating for the very thing you claim needs abolishing?
What happened in 1913? Hmmmm.?

QuoteMr. Solar, consider yourself bare bottom spanked, in front of the all male class, by the the sexy, young nun with her wooden ruler.

As suggested in a far distant past post, go re-read your constitution.

Son, all you managed to achieve, was to expose your ignorance and hypocrisy. If you insist on displaying your immaturity on this forum, your stay will be short lived.
I suggest, I mean this in all seriousness, that you stick to facts and lose the personal insults, all you manage to do is create animosity for yourself and dilute whatever point you're attempting.