Quote from: gandb77 on July 09, 2016, 05:57:58 AM

I  think have found my choice.  ----Gary Johnson

Ok.  You are free to vote for whom you want of course, but, have you done any research??  He is PRO-AMNESTY and PRO-ABORTION. He is also AGAINST expanding the military!!!  In this day and age, with ISIS running rampant, he wants to limit our military?  Again ... you are free to vote for whom you want.  I'm just hoping you're making an informed decision.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 09, 2016, 08:53:46 AM
Ok.  You are free to vote for whom you want of course, but, have you done any research??  He is PRO-AMNESTY and PRO-ABORTION. He is also AGAINST expanding the military!!!  In this day and age, with ISIS running rampant, he wants to limit our military?  Again ... you are free to vote for whom you want.  I'm just hoping you're making an informed decision.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

That's the keyword, something he is not, in fact, he's making an emotional decision.
Johnson, IMO, is an Establishment plant from both sides of the isle. I believe if the Libertarian party had a candidate true to the values of the movement, the party could wreak all sorts of damage to the so called "Two Party" system, or rather one leftist party system.

I remember the libertarian movement from the 70s, when ones word meant something, the party today is merely a facade of what it once was.

Quote from: gandb77 on July 09, 2016, 05:57:58 AM

I  think have found my choice.  ----Gary Johnson

Libertarians are the party that's hell-bent on destroying the moral fabric of America, masquerading as liberal freedom fighters - but too stoned to realize it.  Pontificating on the moral high-ground from a cesspool of filth.

The 3-legged platform, which has never changed:
Drugs - Isolationism - Prostitution 
(call them DIP S...)

Gary Johnson has NO BUSINESS in the Libertarian Party... yes, he's a BETTER man than the rest of them.
Not the best, but better.  He's a Republican without a voice, the only place he gets a hearing is among the DIPs.  The best thing about Gary Johnson is fiscal policy / budget... unfortunately he likes cutting defense.

http://pertruth.com/10-facts-about-gary-johnson/10/
Sorry, I find no compelling reason to pull the lever for him.

Quote from: Hoofer on July 10, 2016, 11:39:00 AM
Libertarians are the party that's hell-bent on destroying the moral fabric of America, masquerading as liberal freedom fighters - but too stoned to realize it.  Pontificating on the moral high-ground from a cesspool of filth.

The 3-legged platform, which has never changed:
Drugs - Isolationism - Prostitution 
(call them DIP S...)

Gary Johnson has NO BUSINESS in the Libertarian Party... yes, he's a BETTER man than the rest of them.
Not the best, but better.  He's a Republican without a voice, the only place he gets a hearing is among the DIPs.  The best thing about Gary Johnson is fiscal policy / budget... unfortunately he likes cutting defense.

http://pertruth.com/10-facts-about-gary-johnson/10/
Sorry, I find no compelling reason to pull the lever for him.

A third party doesn't have a chance in this election.  However, there is a slim possibility that if enough votes are cast for third party candidates and there are enough write-in candidates, it just may be enough to keep either Hillary or Donny from getting the needed majority.  The president will then be decided by the House.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 10, 2016, 01:10:48 PM
A third party doesn't have a chance in this election.  However, there is a slim possibility that if enough votes are cast for third party candidates and there are enough write-in candidates, it just may be enough to keep either Hillary or Donny from getting the needed majority.  The president will then be decided by the House.

I'm trying to decide if that's a good thing, or a bad thing. If the choice is between Trump and Clinton, we still have a lunatic as president. However, if Cruz enters the mix that's a different story.

Quote from: tac on July 10, 2016, 02:17:52 PM
I'm trying to decide if that's a good thing, or a bad thing. If the choice is between Trump and Clinton, we still have a lunatic as president. However, if Cruz enters the mix that's a different story.

I've read conflicting articles.  Some say that the House can pick who they want.  Some articles state that the House has to pick from the candidates who ran in the primaries and some articles state that the House has to pick from the top three delegate receivers.  I'm not sure if that's the top 3 from each party or the top 3 period.  If it's the top 3 from each party Cruz would be in the picture, but if it's the top 3 period, then Cruz would be eliminated and it would be Clinton, Trump, and Sanders.  I also am not quite sure how 'Super Delegates' enter into the picture. 

Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 11, 2016, 06:08:40 AM
I've read conflicting articles.  Some say that the House can pick who they want.  Some articles state that the House has to pick from the candidates who ran in the primaries and some articles state that the House has to pick from the top three delegate receivers.  I'm not sure if that's the top 3 from each party or the top 3 period.  If it's the top 3 from each party Cruz would be in the picture, but if it's the top 3 period, then Cruz would be eliminated and it would be Clinton, Trump, and Sanders.  I also am not quite sure how 'Super Delegates' enter into the picture.

Why would the RNC delegates vote on a Dim candidate?

I think that we should all vote for Trump. 

Quote from: Jonathan on July 12, 2016, 03:39:04 PM
I think that we should all vote for Trump. 

What this we shit! 

Quote from: Jonathan on July 12, 2016, 03:39:04 PM
I think that we should all vote for Trump. 

You do realize, you and your mindless ilk are but a very tiny minority, vocal, but extremely tiny, right?

Quote from: s3779m on July 04, 2016, 02:43:24 PM
tell me why I should vote for trump? What does he stand for that you admire. which of his principles do you think will guide the country?

Integrety
A business person does not gain success without integrity. Do you know of any rich auto mechanics? The rich auto mechanic has integrity, honesty, and dignity; with repeat business. Trump has not built his wealth on deceit, slight of hand, nor dishonesty. Financial success comes from dealing with lots of different people; on lots of different levels; about lots of different opinions; all cooperating for mutual benefit.

Trump's integrity is an admirable trait.

Many business people declare bankruptcy (note the federal law concerning bankruptcy as a legal option), make poor decisions, and fail at some things. Financial failure does not reflect lack of integrity. Financial success, on the other hand, does not come without integrity.

Business Sense
Remember, this Country was founded on the idea of business. The Tea Party was all about taxes. All business people are always concerned about taxes. Trump's business principles will guide our Nation back to a realistic business mentality.

Trumps principles will guide the country.

None of our other politicians know how to run a business. The Nation is a business; with a budget, with income and expenses, with Marketing challenges, and with competition from other forms of government and political rhetoric.

Separation of Church and State
Because Trump is not wearing his personal religious beliefs or principals on his shirt sleeves, like many, uninformed conservatives, Trump will make secular decisions (about ISIS) and not become involved with right or wrong but rather concern himself with your freedom to express either opinion.

The three above reasons strongly support the proposition that you should vote for Trump.

Money is the great equalizer. Access to it requires a free market. A free market requires a Republic. The Founding Fathers understood the power of money and thus created a Republic:  The United States of America.

Quote from: Solar on July 12, 2016, 04:08:07 PM
You do realize, you and your mindless ilk are but a very tiny minority, vocal, but extremely tiny, right?

Yes, we are Fourteen Million (14,000,0000) tiny. About 4% of the total population, including children.
[14,000,000 / 330,000,000 = .0424]

What is your demographic?

Quote from: Jonathan on July 12, 2016, 04:13:52 PM
Integrety
A business person does not gain success without integrity. Do you know of any rich auto mechanics? The rich auto mechanic has integrity, honesty, and dignity; with repeat business. Trump has not built his wealth on deceit, slight of hand, nor dishonesty. Financial success comes from dealing with lots of different people; on lots of different levels; about lots of different opinions; all cooperating for mutual benefit.

Trump's integrity is an admirable trait.

Many business people declare bankruptcy (note the federal law concerning bankruptcy as a legal option), make poor decisions, and fail at some things. Financial failure does not reflect lack of integrity. Financial success, on the other hand, does not come without integrity.

Pure Bull Shit!!! I've been in business my entire life, some failures, others have been successes, but regardless, I always made good on my failures and debts, because that's what real men do, and they don't screw over their investors all for the sake of profit.

Trump screws everyone but himself
Take Imminent Domain and how he tried to steal an elderly widowed woman's home.

QuoteBusiness Sense
Remember, this Country was founded on the idea of business. The Tea Party was all about taxes. All business people are always concerned about taxes. Trump's business principles will guide our Nation back to a realistic business mentality.

Greasing the palms of politicians is not what Americans consider business in any stretch of the imagination.

QuoteTrumps principles will guide the country.

Straight to Hell, they would!

QuoteNone of our other politicians know how to run a business. The Nation is a business; with a budget, with income and expenses, with Marketing challenges, and with competition from other forms of government and political rhetoric.

WRONG!!! The govt is not a business, it is a leach on the taxpayer, which is why Cruz wants to shrink it and Trump wants to grow it.
Did you ever ask yourself why he wants to grow it?

QuoteSeparation of Church and State
Because Trump is not wearing his personal religious beliefs or principals on his shirt sleeves, like many, uninformed conservatives, Trump will make secular decisions (about ISIS) and not become involved with right or wrong but rather concern himself with your freedom to express either opinion.

You confuse values and principles with religion, that's a costly mistake.

QuoteThe three above reasons strongly support the proposition that you should vote for Trump.

Sorry John, but only a fool would take all that crap at face value and never challenge it, as I have done.

QuoteMoney is the great equalizer. Access to it requires a free market. A free market requires a Republic. The Founding Fathers understood the power of money and thus created a Republic:  The United States of America.

What Trump does is considered govt welfare fraud, what the Founders envisioned was a free market void of govt.
Take a basic econ course.

Quote from: Jonathan on July 12, 2016, 03:39:04 PM
I think that we should all vote for Trump. 

The second half of that sentence proves you weren't thinking at all.

Quote from: Solar on July 12, 2016, 04:34:05 PM
Pure Bull Shit!!! I've been in business my entire life, some failures, others have been successes, but regardless, I always made good on my failures and debts, because that's what real men do, and they don't screw over their investors all for the sake of profit.

Here you mistake that "making good on failures and debts" is reflective of integrity.

Because you were able to make good on your failures and debts, it just means that the risk that you took was low risk, because you were able to make good on your loan (the bank took no risk).

Those who stretch beyond their personal ability to repay a loan are the true entrepreneurs. You tried. Good for you. You paid your debts. Good for you.
Try stretching your limit next time. Learn how far lack of integrity won't take you if you need to partner up with other individuals who have greater wealth than you.
You found your comfort zone, good for you. Trump is not afraid to try bigger and better things.

And using the Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States was contemplated by the founding fathers. Did they have a lack of integrity because they considered that some folks might stretch their limits beyond their ability to pay back?

Imminent domain is another tool that has emerged out of the 5th Amendment, "without just compensation." Trying does not degrade a person's integrity.

Solar Said,
"Straight to Hell, they [Trump Business Principles] would!
WRONG!!! The govt is not a business."

Here you miss the point again. Who else do you know has built a 9 billion dollar business out of a 1 million dollar budget? Business Principles always prevail. You know that, you owned a business.

And finally, again, your pointing finger points three back toward yourself. The govt is a business!

(1) The United States is a business that shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;
(2) The United States is a business that controls the number of people that come into the United States;
(3) The United States is a business that provides laws for bankruptcy;
(4) The United States is a business that promotes the Progress of Science and useful Arts; and
(5) The United States is a business that regulates the Value of Money.


Your perceptions parrot a poor prism.

Reread your Constitution. The United Stated entered into a business contract with the 13 States of the Confederation via Article VI, "All Debts contracted and Engagement entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

A graduate school Economics class would have given you the opportunity to learn that all governments develop a business agreement between the people and the bureaucracy.

Trump is a champion business person. Vote for Trump!