In reviewing the 2023 achievements realized by Gov. DeSantis and Florida's Legislature, pasting was the more practical option:
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Charles C. W. Cooke On Twitter
May 5, 2023 11:51 AM
"What the GOP has achieved in Florida is astounding. Republican primary voters should credit the governor who spearheaded it.
There is there is not need
"In the space of just three months, Governor DeSantis and the Republican supermajority have created the largest school-choice program in American history, banned abortion after six weeks of pregnancy, made Florida the 26th constitutional-carry state in the nation, forced unions to abide by the Supreme Court's Janus decision, cut taxes by $2 billion, banned sex-change operations from being performed on minors, barred DEI (diversity, equity, and inclusion) initiatives in universities, expanded the use of mandatory E-Verify in the state, achieved a previously unthinkable collection of tort reforms, declared driver's licenses issued to out-of-state illegal immigrants invalid in Florida, prohibited state and local governments from considering ESG (environmental, social, and governance) factors in their contracting and investing decisions, extended last year's Parental Rights in Education law through twelfth grade, made it illegal for financial institutions to discriminate on the basis of "religious, political, or social beliefs," and prevented credit-card companies from tracking their customers' gun purchases."
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This legislative record is the most conservative I've seen in decades. It runs the gamut. And for a governor who's alleged to be beholden to corporations, those stricter illegal immigration measures he spearheaded - E-verify, driver licenses et al - to prevent cheap illegal labor from pouring into the state must have been a real slap in the face to them.
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Now that's a substantive reply that addresses the achievement of Fla.s 2023 legislative achievements. :bigl
Perhaps "W" even helped Desanitis spearhead the E-verify bill. :bigl :bigl
Quote from: WMK on June 01, 2023, 11:58:07 AM
In reviewing the 2023 achievements realized by Gov. DeSantis and Florida's Legislature, pasting was the more practical option:
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Charles C. W. Cooke On Twitter
May 5, 2023 11:51 AM
"What the GOP has achieved in Florida is astounding. Republican primary voters should credit the governor who spearheaded it.
There is there is not need
"In the space of just three months, Governor DeSantis and the Republican supermajority have created the largest school-choice program in American history, banned abortion after six weeks of pregnancy, made Florida the 26th constitutional-carry state in the nation, forced unions to abide by the Supreme Court's Janus decision, cut taxes by $2 billion, banned sex-change operations from being performed on minors, barred DEI (diversity, equity, and inclusion) initiatives in universities, expanded the use of mandatory E-Verify in the state, achieved a previously unthinkable collection of tort reforms, declared driver's licenses issued to out-of-state illegal immigrants invalid in Florida, prohibited state and local governments from considering ESG (environmental, social, and governance) factors in their contracting and investing decisions, extended last year's Parental Rights in Education law through twelfth grade, made it illegal for financial institutions to discriminate on the basis of "religious, political, or social beliefs," and prevented credit-card companies from tracking their customers' gun purchases."
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This legislative record is the most conservative I've seen in decades. It runs the gamut. And for a governor who's alleged to be beholden to corporations, those stricter illegal immigration measures he spearheaded - E-verify, driver licenses et al - to prevent cheap illegal labor from pouring into the state must have been a real slap in the face to them.
Meanwhile trump praises newsome cuomo and un
Quote from: ldub23 on June 04, 2023, 02:45:37 PMMeanwhile trump praises newsome cuomo and un
And Trump does so all for effect; to create a maelstrom and lure DeSantis off his game.
Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 11:25:58 AMAnd Trump does so all for effect; to create a maelstrom and lure DeSantis off his game.
I just think he is losing it.
Quote from: ldub23 on June 05, 2023, 12:44:29 PMI just think he is losing it.
You could be spot on. I can't say for sure. I only know he's a walking contradiction at times and seems oblivious to it.
Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 04:06:18 PMYou could be spot on. I can't say for sure. I only know he's a walking contradiction at times and seems oblivious to it.
There is no doubt he has been unfairly targetted for lawless prosecutions. He has withstood more than i could have. Its just time to go to DeSantis.
Quote from: ldub23 on June 05, 2023, 06:41:21 PMThere is no doubt he has been unfairly targetted for lawless prosecutions. He has withstood more than i could have. Its just time to go to DeSantis.
All that is true.
But I have to add, that Trump proved not to be an alpha at all when it came to being a bold and decisive tactician, political or otherwise. That requires guts and the courage of ones convictions. Trump had none of that, IMO.
Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 08:31:38 PMAll that is true.
But I have to add, that Trump proved not to be an alpha at all when it came to being a bold and decisive tactician, political or otherwise. That requires guts and the courage of ones convictions. Trump had none of that, IMO.
Did shutting down Florida help it in any way? Let me guess, that is not the BOLD AND DECISIVE you were talking about.
Quote from: ldub23 on June 04, 2023, 02:45:37 PMMeanwhile trump praises newsome cuomo and un
Your bull shit is wearing thin! You know the truth behind the first two, but lying about the UN was a step too far!
You know we are a truthful forum, even if the truth is painful to our side, but we never lie!
Trump praised Newsome for his agreement to work together, Cuomo was a big ass nothing, but your UN lie is another issue all its own.
Back it up with actual proof, and you know "Opinion Pieces" do not count as fact!
Do it or face a ban!
Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 08:31:38 PMAll that is true.
But I have to add, that Trump proved not to be an alpha at all when it came to being a bold and decisive tactician, political or otherwise. That requires guts and the courage of ones convictions. Trump had none of that, IMO.
Quote from: ldub23 on June 05, 2023, 12:44:29 PMI just think he is losing it.
This from the guy who is in love with a psychotic murderer serving life. Yeah, your thought process carries a lot of credibility. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Possum on June 06, 2023, 04:41:04 AMDid shutting down Florida help it in any way? Let me guess, that is not the BOLD AND DECISIVE you were talking about.
Ha ha. That's all you do is "guess," then attempt to present it as empirical information. Many here know that and let you just prattle on to yourself.
Quote from: Solar on June 06, 2023, 05:43:07 AMThis from the guy who is in love with a psychotic murderer serving life. Yeah, your thought process carries a lot of credibility. :rolleyes:
At least there is a form of "thought process." Not so much on your end though with the gibberish your posting(s) Whatcha talkin' bout here?
Quote from: Solar on June 06, 2023, 05:29:47 AMYour bull shit is wearing thin! You know the truth behind the first two, but lying about the UN was a step too far!
You know we are a truthful forum, even if the truth is painful to our side, but we never lie!
Trump praised Newsome for his agreement to work together, Cuomo was a big ass nothing, but your UN lie is another issue all its own.
Back it up with actual proof, and you know "Opinion Pieces" do not count as fact!
Do it or face a ban!
"Republican 2024 candidates criticize Trump for praising Kim Jong-un" -That's a June headline from, "The Guardian"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/05/trump-kim-jong-un-praise-republican-presidential-candidates
Think you owe Idub an apology.
FYI: political ideologies are formed on the "opinions" of what's one's interpretation of the facts are.
I said before that Trump is moving to the left of DeSantis on the issues because he has no grounding as a conservative. This UN issue is just another example of that.
Quote from: WMK on June 07, 2023, 01:15:27 AMHa ha. That's all you do is "guess," then attempt to present it as empirical information. Many here know that and let you just prattle on to yourself.
Does that mean shutting down Florida WAS the BOLD AND DECISIVE you were talking about? Stop being so vague, go ahead and be specific about your hero, unless it's too embarrassing.
Quote from: WMK on June 07, 2023, 01:36:25 AMAt least there is a form of "thought process." Not so much on your end though with the gibberish your posting(s) Whatcha talkin' bout here?
Oh, that's OK, you'll see soon on your own, he is the Representative poster child for DeSantis. you'll see. or you could look back into his post history and decide for yourself. :rolleyes:
Quote from: WMK on June 07, 2023, 01:57:59 AM"Republican 2024 candidates criticize Trump for praising Kim Jong-un" -That's a June headline from, "The Guardian"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/05/trump-kim-jong-un-praise-republican-presidential-candidates
Think you owe Idub an apology.
FYI: political ideologies are formed on the "opinions" of what's one's interpretation of the facts are.
I said before that Trump is moving to the left of DeSantis on the issues because he has no grounding as a conservative. This UN issue is just another example of that.
A couple of things here, one you have a comprehension issue, and two, I specifically stated the UN.
I have only praise for Trump over his Kim comment, having spent a year on the North Korean DMZ, I make NK a top priority to stay abreast of it's dealings.
What Trump did was fuckin amazing and historic, no President in the past was ever able to quell the dictators abuse of his neighbors.
Kim uses war and threats of war to get concessions, like Clinton giving them nuclear power, something even the CCP never did, and still that didn't quell his threats. Simply a destabilizing threat.
If you were old enough to know this, you'd have kept your mouth shut, but since you think you know more than adults, go ahead and prove his post, that Trump praised the UN.
You see, this is what lib kids do, they get emotional when they're losing on every front, they don't understand geopolitics, Hell, they don't even understand recent US politics. That's you!
I suspect you'll ignore this post like you have several others, but I'd really like to hear why you think praising another world leader for keeping his word, was as evil as you claim it was.
If you were a
Trump supporter as claimed, you should be able to articulate an answer, other than give leftist talking points.
But we both know that was a lie as well. :sneaky:
Quote from: Possum on June 07, 2023, 04:14:18 AMDoes that mean shutting down Florida WAS the BOLD AND DECISIVE you were talking about? Stop being so vague, go ahead and be specific about your hero, unless it's too embarrassing.
Ha ha "Guess" again.
Quote from: WMK on June 07, 2023, 08:07:28 AMHa ha "Guess" again.
How about if you have any clue what you are referring to, you post it. I have never been embarrassed to post specifics on what I admired about Trump, from foreign policy to the economy, to the border, etc, but you talk in such vague terms about what you admire in DeSantis either you have no clue, or you're too embarrassed to be specific.
Quote from: Possum on June 07, 2023, 08:12:46 AMeither you have no clue, or you're too embarrassed to be specific.
So, take another guess. Which one is it, one trick? :popcorn: :popcorn:
Quote from: Solar on June 07, 2023, 06:08:09 AMA couple of things here, one you have a comprehension issue, and two, I specifically stated the UN.
I was wrong, you did state "the UN" and were not speaking to "un" of NK. The coincidence of you mentioning "the UN' in the very next sentence was the cause of my oversight. I apologize.
As to your 'praise for Trump' on this issue? No surprises there. I just hope you're not willing to move as far left as Trump is likely to go before this primary is over.
Quote from: WMK on June 07, 2023, 08:29:58 AMSo, take another guess. Which one is it, one trick? :popcorn: :popcorn:
No clue. As in no clue why you are backing DeSantis, no clue as to what you have against Trump, no clue as to why you said Trump lost to Biden while also saying the election was stolen, no clue why you think it is ok to hide the names of people and countries who donate to an election, no clue as to why you think it is ok for a government to hold a litmus test to see how businesses think, no clue as in how did shutting down Florida shows BOLD position, no clue as in you CAN NOT answer questions, no clue, as in you will not admit Trump handled N.Korea better then the presidents before him. I could go on, but I'll say alittle space for your juvenile reply.
Quote from: WMK on June 07, 2023, 09:17:11 AMI was wrong, you did state "the UN" and were not speaking to "un" of NK. The coincidence of you mentioning "the UN' in the very next sentence was the cause of my oversight. I apologize.
As to your 'praise for Trump' on this issue? No surprises there. I just hope you're not willing to move as far left as Trump is likely to go before this primary is over.
Wow kid, you're all over the map. Try stating what you know to be true, and we'll go from there.
As to Trump moving left... Where do you get this shit? Trump already showed us his direction as President.
So why would he change now, with all the leftists running against him? He'll be the only one running that actually supports the people and the country.
But now that you bring up, "Moving Left". Maybe you'd like to address DeSantis telling his NWO donors what he plans on doing?
https://politicalwire.com/2023/05/27/team-desantis-tells-donors-hell-move-to-middle/
Quote from: Solar on June 07, 2023, 01:11:08 PMWow kid, you're all over the map. Try stating what you know to be true, and we'll go from there.
As to Trump moving left... Where do you get this shit? Trump already showed us his direction as President.
He sure did. When the heat was really on, he took the path of least resistance on all the legislative stuff - the wall, the budget, Obamacare, COVID. Moreover, his closest advisors (family) were lefties. As a result, he fizzled in the end. And all the good his did do by way of executive orders and what not went up in smoke the minute he left office.
Don't you even remember stating yourself that Trump was not a conservative? Good grief! Remember who and what this guy was for most of his life. The proverb applies here; 'the dog returns to his own vomit.'
Here's what you're gonna learn about DeSantis; regardless of who his donors are, he'll work the system to his advantage and move his own agenda forward. That's what happened in Fla., and that's what would happen as POTUS. He's more savvy and knowledgeable than Trump about executive maneuvers. And we can see he won't cower to pressure. Had DeSantis been POTUS during COVID, he'd of definitely worked a way to quell the voices of Birx/Fauci the moment they stepped over the line.
Clear your head of all this 'donor conspiracy' nonsense and start focusing on the tangible elements of DeSantis achievements to date.
Quote from: WMK on June 07, 2023, 05:36:19 PMHe sure did. When the heat was really on, he took the path of least resistance on all the legislative stuff - the wall, the budget, Obamacare, COVID.
Moreover, his closest advisors (family) were lefties. As a result, he fizzled in the end. And all the good his did do by way of executive orders and what not went up in smoke the minute he left office.
Don't you even remember stating yourself that Trump was not a conservative? Good grief! Remember who and what this guy was for most of his life. The proverb applies here; 'the dog returns to his own vomit.'
Unlike your child King Ron, Trump didn't have a rubber stamp Legislature! Do you even have a clue how our Republic/Congress works?
QuoteHere's what you're gonna learn about DeSantis; regardless of who his donors are, he'll work the system to his advantage and move his own agenda forward. That's what happened in Fla., and that's what would happen as POTUS. He's more savvy and knowledgeable than Trump about executive maneuvers. And we can see he won't cower to pressure. Had DeSantis been POTUS during COVID, he'd of definitely worked a way to quell the voices of Birx/Fauci the moment they stepped over the line.
Clear your head of all this 'donor conspiracy' nonsense and start focusing on the tangible elements of DeSantis achievements to date.
Well, if hat wasn't a disjointed rant while claiming to have known the future, I don't know what is!
How can he even govern when those pushing the kids ass will be telling him how to govern?
Wake up, he's just a fuckin kid! But you wouldn't know that, because you're even younger than he is!
With age comes wisdom, and the intellect to be ones own man. He has Neither!
Now, address what I actually posted!
https://politicalwire.com/2023/05/27/team-desantis-tells-donors-hell-move-to-middle/
Quote from: Solar on June 07, 2023, 06:27:58 PMUnlike your child King Ron, Trump didn't have a rubber stamp Legislature! Do you even have a clue how our Republic/Congress works?
Well, if hat wasn't a disjointed rant while claiming to have known the future, I don't know what is!
How can he even govern when those pushing the kids ass will be telling him how to govern?
Wake up, he's just a fuckin kid! But you wouldn't know that, because you're even younger than he is!
With age comes wisdom, and the intellect to be ones own man. He has Neither!
Now, address what I actually posted!
https://politicalwire.com/2023/05/27/team-desantis-tells-donors-hell-move-to-middle/
Got nothing I see...
Quote from: Solar on June 07, 2023, 06:27:58 PMUnlike your child King Ron, Trump didn't have a rubber stamp Legislature! Do you even have a clue how our Republic/Congress works?QuotePoor Trump, had some opposition and is still cryin 'foul'. He was outmatched, outmaneuver and lacking in courage. Let Dave enter and Saul exit. No sense in watching the same movie over again.
Well, if hat wasn't a disjointed rant while claiming to have known the future, I don't know what is!QuoteHow can he even govern when those pushing the kids ass will be telling him how to govern?
Wake up, he's just a fuckin kid! But you wouldn't know that, because you're even younger than he is!
Now, address what I actually posted!
https://politicalwire.com/2023/05/27/team-desantis-tells-donors-hell-move-to-middle/
Sure, just as soon as you address DeSantis record, rather then try to hijack this thread. And when you're done, compare what he did with what he supposedly said, then you'll understand what "center" means to DeSantis.
Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' presidential campaign began the week by taking aim at former President Donald Trump over his decision not to fire Dr. Anthony Fauci amid the coronavirus pandemic in 2020.
A video the DeSantis campaign released Monday showed multiple clips from Trump's days on his reality show, "The Apprentice," which the former president hosted from 2004 to 2015, and included scenes of him using his signature phrase, "You're fired!" whenever a contestant was removed from the program.
It compared those clips of him firing multiple contestants, in which it labeled Trump, "Reality TV Trump," to clips of him repeatedly defending his decision not to fire Fauci, in which he was labeled, "Real Life Trump"
The difference between DeSantis & Trump - Doing & Talking.
Quote from: WMK on June 08, 2023, 06:56:29 AMRepublican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' presidential campaign began the week by taking aim at former President Donald Trump over his decision not to fire Dr. Anthony Fauci amid the coronavirus pandemic in 2020.
A video the DeSantis campaign released Monday showed multiple clips from Trump's days on his reality show, "The Apprentice," which the former president hosted from 2004 to 2015, and included scenes of him using his signature phrase, "You're fired!" whenever a contestant was removed from the program.
It compared those clips of him firing multiple contestants, in which it labeled Trump, "Reality TV Trump," to clips of him repeatedly defending his decision not to fire Fauci, in which he was labeled, "Real Life Trump"
The difference between DeSantis & Trump - Doing & Talking.
There is debate over whether Trump could have fired Fauci. But 100% what he could have done was not put Fauci onstage every day and he could have put other people front and center.
Here is how DeSantis handled HIS Fauci problem
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-surgeon-general-removed-governor-desantis-coronavirus-briefing-after-saying-social-1497629
"Florida's Surgeon General Scott A. Rivkees was removed from state Gov. Ron DeSantis' cabinet coronavirus meeting today moments after stating that social distancing measures would need to continue until the creation of a vaccine. Video captured Rivkees' comment and his subsequent removal by DeSantis' Communications Director, Helen Aguirre Ferré."
Quote from: WMK on June 08, 2023, 06:56:29 AMRepublican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' presidential campaign began the week by taking aim at former President Donald Trump over his decision not to fire Dr. Anthony Fauci amid the coronavirus pandemic in 2020.
A video the DeSantis campaign released Monday showed multiple clips from Trump's days on his reality show, "The Apprentice," which the former president hosted from 2004 to 2015, and included scenes of him using his signature phrase, "You're fired!" whenever a contestant was removed from the program.
It compared those clips of him firing multiple contestants, in which it labeled Trump, "Reality TV Trump," to clips of him repeatedly defending his decision not to fire Fauci, in which he was labeled, "Real Life Trump"
The difference between DeSantis & Trump - Doing & Talking.
What part of "POTUS Can't Fire Private Individuals" Do you not get?
Np wonder you like the Fascist Uniparty Kid!
DeSantis (the kid) is not disappointing when it comes to having to go toe-to-toe with Trump. I said from the start, win, lose or draw, DeSantis needs to have a real confrontation with Trump to prove his "bona Fides' as presidential material. Well, it's been game on for a couple of weeks and pollsters are showing DeSantis already making double digit gains in Iowa.
The link below shows video clips of the difference between, reality tv Trump -"you're fired" - and real life Trump - excuses for not firing Fauci. Probably a lot more from that disastrous year this Trump will have to answer for.
https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1665798693411233795/pu/img/DI6AfIHg1FCP_QyA?format=jpg&name=small
Quote from: ldub23 on June 08, 2023, 07:08:06 AMThere is debate over whether Trump could have fired Fauci. But 100% what he could have done was not put Fauci onstage every day and he could have put other people front and center.
Here is how DeSantis handled HIS Fauci problem
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-surgeon-general-removed-governor-desantis-coronavirus-briefing-after-saying-social-1497629
"Florida's Surgeon General Scott A. Rivkees was removed from state Gov. Ron DeSantis' cabinet coronavirus meeting today moments after stating that social distancing measures would need to continue until the creation of a vaccine. Video captured Rivkees' comment and his subsequent removal by DeSantis' Communications Director, Helen Aguirre Ferré."
Ha ha. I just posted the video clips comparing "reality tv Trump" to "real life Trump". It shows Trump saying "you're fired" on his reality show, and the myriad of excuses he made publicly for not firing Fauci.
You and I both know what initiatives DeSantis took of his own accord to deal with his "Fauci" problem. Others here either don't, or don't want to know. Those who're backing Trump having been parroting the canard that "Trump could do nothing about Fauci" from day 1 probably because they knew he'd have to answer for it.
But this is where the fight is going, and there is much Trump has to answer for.
Quote from: WMK on June 08, 2023, 07:42:26 AMHa ha. I just posted the video clips comparing "reality tv Trump" to "real life Trump". It shows Trump saying "you're fired" on his reality show, and the myriad of excuses he made publicly for not firing Fauci.
You and I both know what initiatives DeSantis took of his own accord to deal with his "Fauci" problem. Others here either don't, or don't want to know. Those who're backing Trump having been parroting the canard that "Trump could do nothing about Fauci" from day 1 probably because they knew he'd have to answer for it.
But this is where the fight is going, and there is much Trump has to answer for.
I agree. At the very least Trump could have had someone like Marty Makary at every corona briefing.
Quote from: WMK on June 08, 2023, 06:41:04 AMNow, address what I actually posted!
https://politicalwire.com/2023/05/27/team-desantis-tells-donors-hell-move-to-middle/
Sure, just as soon as you address DeSantis record, rather then try to hijack this thread. And when you're done, compare what he did with what he supposedly said, then you'll understand what "center" means to DeSantis.
His record HAS been address, SEVERAL TIMES. Questions have been asked!!!! YOU are the one who does not answer the questions and address his record. At least get THAT straight!
Quote from: WMK on June 07, 2023, 05:36:19 PMHe sure did. When the heat was really on, he took the path of least resistance on all the legislative stuff - the wall, the budget, Obamacare, COVID. Moreover, his closest advisors (family) were lefties. As a result, he fizzled in the end. And all the good his did do by way of executive orders and what not went up in smoke the minute he left office.
Don't you even remember stating yourself that Trump was not a conservative? Good grief! Remember who and what this guy was for most of his life. The proverb applies here; 'the dog returns to his own vomit.'
Here's what you're gonna learn about DeSantis; regardless of who his donors are, he'll work the system to his advantage and move his own agenda forward. That's what happened in Fla., and that's what would happen as POTUS. He's more savvy and knowledgeable than Trump about executive maneuvers. And we can see he won't cower to pressure. Had DeSantis been POTUS during COVID, he'd of definitely worked a way to quell the voices of Birx/Fauci the moment they stepped over the line.
Clear your head of all this 'donor conspiracy' nonsense and start focusing on the tangible elements of DeSantis achievements to date.
No can do, this IS WHO DESANTIS IS. I asked in a past post if you would be ok with Biden hiding all of his donations from other countries, no answer! I asked you WHY would anyone want to hide the people who are giving these donations, and face it, we are not talking mom and pop ten dollar donations here, he is talking about hiding the MILLIONS that he needs. No answer. And like the good little liberal you are, you want to take this conversation off the table. Wake up.
Quote from: WMK on June 08, 2023, 07:42:26 AMHa ha. I just posted the video clips comparing "reality tv Trump" to "real life Trump". It shows Trump saying "you're fired" on his reality show, and the myriad of excuses he made publicly for not firing Fauci.
You and I both know what initiatives DeSantis took of his own accord to deal with his "Fauci" problem. Others here either don't, or don't want to know. Those who're backing Trump having been parroting the canard that "Trump could do nothing about Fauci" from day 1 probably because they knew he'd have to answer for it.
But this is where the fight is going, and there is much Trump has to answer for.
Yeah, he shut down Florida, he issued mask mandates, he PUSHED the vaccines, in other words, HE DID EVERYTHING FAUCI TOLD HIM TO DO. And that is how he will govern. People with money told him they wanted to donate anonymously and HE DOES THEIR BIDDING!!!!! That should tell you everything about the way he will govern.
Quote from: Possum on June 08, 2023, 08:24:33 AMYeah, he shut down Florida, he issued mask mandates, he PUSHED the vaccines, in other words, HE DID EVERYTHING FAUCI TOLD HIM TO DO. And that is how he will govern. People with money told him they wanted to donate anonymously and HE DOES THEIR BIDDING!!!!! That should tell you everything about the way he will govern.
What? No response to what Trump said/did on the video??? Possum, you're fired! LOL
Quote from: Possum on June 08, 2023, 08:19:52 AMNo can do, this IS WHO DESANTIS IS. I asked in a past post if you would be ok with Biden hiding all of his donations from other countries, no answer! I asked you WHY would anyone want to hide the people who are giving these donations, and face it, we are not talking mom and pop ten dollar donations here, he is talking about hiding the MILLIONS that he needs. No answer. And like the good little liberal you are, you want to take this conversation off the table. Wake up.
One,trick, do you read a lot of Tom Clancy novels before going to bed? Just askin.'
Quote from: Possum on June 08, 2023, 08:13:17 AMHis record HAS been address, SEVERAL TIMES. Questions have been asked!!!! YOU are the one who does not answer the questions and address his record. At least get THAT straight!
So, how do you think those clandestine big money donors and corporatists feel about e-verify? And what about illegals and driver's licenses?
Quote from: ldub23 on June 08, 2023, 07:45:53 AMI agree. At the very least Trump could have had someone like Marty Makary at every corona briefing.
Someone was sent -Scott Atlas - who, believe it or not, was the only other medical source more than qualified to debate and question what Birx has doling out. No profession medical data counter to the Birx agenda was even looked at. Atlas brought it, but it was turned away. It's unbelievable what was going on in the WH during 2020. Birx/Fauci ruled the roost.
"A Plague Upon Our House" was written by Scott Atlas. It gives an eye witness account of what was going on in the WH, and those 'covid task force meetings. Trump was clueless, and maybe by choice, as he didn't have the stomach to deal with Birx properly.
And Trump pinning a Medal on Fauci on his last day?? Surreal!
Quote from: Solar on June 08, 2023, 07:19:54 AMWhat part of "POTUS Can't Fire Private Individuals" Do you not get?
Np wonder you like the Fascist Uniparty Kid!
Stick around, Solar, you're about to learn the difference between "private individuals" and federal bureaucrats. So quit peddling that canard.
Quote from: WMK on June 08, 2023, 09:24:26 AMSo, how do you think those clandestine big money donors and corporatists feel about e-verify? And what about illegals and driver's licenses?
How do you think the American people feel about politicians who want to hide where their money comes from? I think we have put of with enough of that with the Bidens, but you don't? Let's see if you can grow up long enough to answer.
Quote from: WMK on June 08, 2023, 09:19:11 AMOne,trick, do you read a lot of Tom Clancy novels before going to bed? Just askin.'
Answer the questions I asked you first and I will answer your question.
Quote from: WMK on June 08, 2023, 09:41:25 AMSomeone was sent -Scott Atlas - who, believe it or not, was the only other medical source more than qualified to debate and question what Birx has doling out. No profession medical data counter to the Birx agenda was even looked at. Atlas brought it, but it was turned away. It's unbelievable what was going on in the WH during 2020. Birx/Fauci ruled the roost.
"A Plague Upon Our House" was written by Scott Atlas. It gives an eye witness account of what was going on in the WH, and those 'covid task force meetings. Trump was clueless, and maybe by choice, as he didn't have the stomach to deal with Birx properly.
And Trump pinning a Medal on Fauci on his last day?? Surreal!
Yes, that was bizarre
Quote from: Possum on June 08, 2023, 10:54:43 AMHow do you think the American people feel about politicians who want to hide where their money comes from?
Hey, that's a great question to start a thread on. Set it up. I'll participate :thumbsup:
Quote from: ldub23 on June 08, 2023, 11:18:00 AMYes, that was bizarre
How ironic, Birx/Fauci were called to serve at the president's behest, but as it turned out, it was he who would serve them.
Chester W. Nimitz - "When you're in command, command!" If you don't someone else will.
Quote from: WMK on June 08, 2023, 06:38:37 PMHow ironic, Birx/Fauci were called to serve at the president's behest, but as it turned out, it was he who would serve them.
Chester W. Nimitz - "When you're in command, command!" If you don't someone else will.
Here are Trumps guidelines to all the states and governors. Any gov that locked down did so based on these guidelines. Ron DeSantis and Kemp were the first to realize they needed to dump the lock-ups.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-issues-guidelines-stopping-spread-coronavirus/story?id=69627340
President Donald Trump and his coronavirus task force on Monday issued new, stricter guidelines to stop the spread of the disease, including that states with evidence of community transmission should close bars, restaurants and other indoor and outdoor venues where groups of people congregate.
"The new nationwide guidelines also call on Americans to avoid gatherings of more than 10 people; avoid eating and drinking in bars, restaurants, and public food courts; and encouraging schooling from home across the country.
MORE: Coronavirus live updates: Major cities shutdown, Trump asks Americans to avoid groups over 10 people
"My administration is recommending that all Americans, including the young and healthy, work to engage in schooling from home when possible, avoid gathering in groups of more than 10 people, avoid discretionary travel and avoid eating and drinking in bars, restaurants, and public food courts," Trump said."
NEW YORK TIMES
Trump Criticizes Georgia Governor for Decision to Reopen State
"I think it's too soon," said the president, who joined several mayors in questioning Gov. Brian Kemp, a Republican, who had said some businesses could resume on Friday.
Wasn't too much earlier Trump was talkin' "15 days to flatten the curve."
Quote from: WMK on June 08, 2023, 11:14:02 PMNEW YORK TIMES
Trump Criticizes Georgia Governor for Decision to Reopen State
"I think it's too soon," said the president, who joined several mayors in questioning Gov. Brian Kemp, a Republican, who had said some businesses could resume on Friday.
Wasn't too much earlier Trump was talkin' "15 days to flatten the curve."
Kemp too alot of heat when he started to open up
Quote from: ldub23 on June 08, 2023, 06:57:40 PMHere are Trumps guidelines to all the states and governors. Any gov that locked down did so based on these guidelines. Ron DeSantis and Kemp were the first to realize they needed to dump the lock-ups.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-issues-guidelines-stopping-spread-coronavirus/story?id=69627340
President Donald Trump and his coronavirus task force on Monday issued new, stricter guidelines to stop the spread of the disease, including that states with evidence of community transmission should close bars, restaurants and other indoor and outdoor venues where groups of people congregate.
"The new nationwide guidelines also call on Americans to avoid gatherings of more than 10 people; avoid eating and drinking in bars, restaurants, and public food courts; and encouraging schooling from home across the country.
MORE: Coronavirus live updates: Major cities shutdown, Trump asks Americans to avoid groups over 10 people
"My administration is recommending that all Americans, including the young and healthy, work to engage in schooling from home when possible, avoid gathering in groups of more than 10 people, avoid discretionary travel and avoid eating and drinking in bars, restaurants, and public food courts," Trump said."
Tell the whole story, which governors, congressmen, senators voiced opposition to the plans? I'll give you a hint, none of them. This was one area the country was in agreement on because NOBODY knew what to expect. You really show your stupidity by posting half the sotry as if EVERYONE was against the plan. By the way, Trump did not shut anything down.
Quote from: Possum on June 09, 2023, 05:43:11 AMTell the whole story, which governors, congressmen, senators voiced opposition to the plans? I'll give you a hint, none of them. This was one area the country was in agreement on because NOBODY knew what to expect. You really show your stupidity by posting half the sotry as if EVERYONE was against the plan. By the way, Trump did not shut anything down.
NWO Uniparty marching orders, "Distract"!
Trump is being indicted by a communist takeover through the NWO Uniparty, and we're supposed to get upset over this Bull Shit?
These idiots have no fuckin clue as to what is really happening. DeSantis was the Communists pick, and these Morons blindly follow, never once asking any questions about the big fix.
Quote from: Possum on June 09, 2023, 05:43:11 AMTell the whole story, which governors, congressmen, senators voiced opposition to the plans? I'll give you a hint, none of them. This was one area the country was in agreement on because NOBODY knew what to expect. You really show your stupidity by posting half the sotry as if EVERYONE was against the plan. By the way, Trump did not shut anything down.
He advised everything be shut down. He advised school from which was a disaster. And DeSantis and Kemp were the first to realize it was time to ditch the guidelines.
Quote from: ldub23 on June 09, 2023, 07:57:45 AMHe advised everything be shut down. He advised school from which was a disaster. And DeSantis and Kemp were the first to realize it was time to ditch the guidelines.
They're trying to steal an election, and this is the piddly shit you focus on?
Where's that proof Trump praised the UN?
You have until this afternoon, or you're gone!!!
Quote from: ldub23 on June 09, 2023, 07:57:45 AMHe advised everything be shut down. He advised school from which was a disaster. And DeSantis and Kemp were the first to realize it was time to ditch the guidelines.
Well, it looks as though you've brought up enough of the 'inconvenient truth' here to get yourself banned.
Quote from: Solar on June 09, 2023, 08:04:56 AMThey're trying to steal an election, and this is the piddly shit you focus on?
Where's that proof Trump praised the UN?
You have until this afternoon, or you're gone!!!
Yep. This is the perfect opportunity for them to get Trump the republican nomination. Once he gets indicted, for sure he'll get catapulted into the top spot for the nominee. This'll make Trump a shoe-in.
Quote from: WMK on June 09, 2023, 08:54:29 AMYep. This is the perfect opportunity for them to get Trump the republican nomination. Once he gets indicted, for sure he'll get catapulted into the top spot for the nominee. This'll make Trump a shoe-in.
Which begs the question: "What else are they planning"?
This can't be their Hail Mary, there is more to come.
Quote from: Solar on June 09, 2023, 08:04:56 AMThey're trying to steal an election, and this is the piddly shit you focus on?
Where's that proof Trump praised the UN?
You have until this afternoon, or you're gone!!!
And once again i said he congratulated UN. YOU UNDERSTAND WHO Kim Jung UN IS? The WHO is a lockdown chinese funded group and to congratualte a dictator who would love to lock us down is idiotic.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-congratulates-kim-jong-un-on-north-korean-election-to-who-executive-board/ar-AA1c55pW
Former President Donald Trump celebrated North Korea's appointment to the World Health Organization.
Trump made the remarks on his proprietary social media platform Truth Social on Friday afternoon.
"Congratulations to Kim Jung [sic] Un!" Trump wrote in the message.
Trump linked his message to an article from American Greatness about the North Korean official recently elected to the executive board of the World Health Organization (WHO)."
Quote from: WMK on June 09, 2023, 08:47:51 AMWell, it looks as though you've brought up enough of the 'inconvenient truth' here to get yourself banned.
And im the one who almost got banned for saying Trump was the only candidate who could beat Hillary Clinton. Right now he is the only one who cant beat Biden.
Quote from: ldub23 on June 09, 2023, 07:57:45 AMHe advised everything be shut down. He advised school from which was a disaster. And DeSantis and Kemp were the first to realize it was time to ditch the guidelines.
You can not grasp the truth. When Trump was suggesting ideas, NOBODY argued and said NO!!! EVERYBODY FOLLOWED WHAT FAUCI WANTED, EVEN DESANTIS!!! Trump did not shut anything down, DeSantis SHUT DOWN FLORIDA!!!! I'm not blaming him, every state shut down, but THAT WAS THEIR OWN DECISIONS!!!! We are a republic. Now if Florida had NEVER shut down you would have something to discuss. You and WMK are forcing a discussion that I am sure DeSantis would rather go away. As they say, with friends like y'all, who needs enemies. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: ldub23 on June 09, 2023, 11:14:46 AMAnd im the one who almost got banned for saying Trump was the only candidate who could beat Hillary Clinton. Right now he is the only one who cant beat Biden.
What are you basing that on? Nothing?
Quote from: ldub23 on June 09, 2023, 11:14:46 AMAnd im the one who almost got banned for saying Trump was the only candidate who could beat Hillary Clinton. Right now he is the only one who cant beat Biden.
I believe you.
Wasn't too long ago somewhere on this site when both Solar and Possum said they liked DeSantis as a politician. Now, he's suddenly become the embodiment of every evil under the sun. But this is how it is with those who're programmed and too emotionally invested in Trump. You soon begin to realize it's a waste of time to answer their responses with anything other than absurdities - They get back what they give.
Think all this may be why other posters don't participate too much on the debate forum.
Quote from: WMK on June 09, 2023, 01:22:01 PMI believe you.
Wasn't too long ago somewhere on this site when both Solar and Possum said they liked DeSantis as a politician. Now, he's suddenly become the embodiment of every evil under the sun. But this is how it is with those who're programmed and too emotionally invested in Trump. You soon begin to realize it's a waste of time to answer their responses with anything other than absurdities - They get back what they give.
Think all this may be why other posters don't participate too much on the debate forum.
They stifle debate instead of encouraging it. Im all about winning and Trump will not only lose to Biden but he will deliver the house and senate to the dems. Without 218 and 51 conservatives can harp all they want about conservative policy but it means absolutely nothing if reps are in the minority in the senate and house.
Quote from: ldub23 on June 09, 2023, 01:44:35 PMThey stifle debate instead of encouraging it. Im all about winning and Trump will not only lose to Biden but he will deliver the house and senate to the dems. Without 218 and 51 conservatives can harp all they want about conservative policy but it means absolutely nothing if reps are in the minority in the senate and house.
Can't argue that looking back at Trump's record for the last 3 election cycles. This past election was a real indictment in that regard.
Quote from: WMK on June 09, 2023, 01:22:01 PMI believe you.
Wasn't too long ago somewhere on this site when both Solar and Possum said they liked DeSantis as a politician. Now, he's suddenly become the embodiment of every evil under the sun. But this is how it is with those who're programmed and too emotionally invested in Trump. You soon begin to realize it's a waste of time to answer their responses with anything other than absurdities - They get back what they give.
Think all this may be why other posters don't participate too much on the debate forum.
Prove that was said, and include it in context. You are on thin ground here, your choice is to prove or retract. The discussion is focusing on the presidential election and what YOU posted is insinuating we have endorsed him for president.
Quote from: WMK on June 09, 2023, 02:27:27 PMCan't argue that looking back at Trump's record for the last 3 election cycles. This past election was a real indictment in that regard.
The only reasons 2022 wasnt a complete disaster was 2 people. Lee Zeldin ran a strong statewide anti-crime campaign in NY that elected reps to the house. DeSantis 20 point victory in FLA swept in some reps there. We should have won at least 35 seats. We should have won the senate but horrible candidates in NH, GA, AZ, PA prevented that. We lost all the important gov's races again because we stupidly nominated unelectable candidates. Here is a good example locally of how dems nationwide spent tons of money in rep primaries to get the most unelectable candidate nominated. In my district we had Jen Kiggans running against Luria. It was going to be an easy rep pick up. In the nomination fight Kiggans was running against some nut that would have lost to Luria. Dems spent huge amounts of money propping up the nut. Luckily, our local radio morning show pointed out on a daily basis what was going on.
Quote from: ldub23 on June 09, 2023, 03:02:22 PMThe only reasons 2022 wasnt a complete disaster was 2 people. Lee Zeldin ran a strong statewide anti-crime campaign in NY that elected reps to the house. DeSantis 20 point victory in FLA swept in some reps there. We should have won at least 35 seats. We should have won the senate but horrible candidates in NH, GA, AZ, PA prevented that. We lost all the important gov's races again because we stupidly nominated unelectable candidates. Here is a good example locally of how dems nationwide spent tons of money in rep primaries to get the most unelectable candidate nominated. In my district we had Jen Kiggans running against Luria. It was going to be an easy rep pick up. In the nomination fight Kiggans was running against some nut that would have lost to Luria. Dems spent huge amounts of money propping up the nut. Luckily, our local radio morning show pointed out on a daily basis what was going on.
I warned you, that you had till this afternoon to prove Trump praised the UN, but you knew that was a lie and refused to support it or retract it.
You know we don't allow lying on this forum, stupid opinions yes, but lying, never!
You're gone loser!
Quote from: Solar on June 09, 2023, 04:20:42 PMI warned you, that you had till this afternoon to prove Trump praised the UN, but you knew that was a lie and refused to support it or retract it.
You know we don't allow lying on this forum, stupid opinions yes, but lying, never!
You're gone loser!
"Physician, heal thyself." I caught you lying in your posts to me and about me on numerous occasions. Who bans you? It becomes obvious why very few now post on this debate site. Lying, hypocrisy and uncontrolled outburst are what you mainly personify. So who's gonna wanna continue to post here? And the patterns the same. Whenever someone post something that's substantive and indisputable -like Trump's lying about NY vs. Fla.,you go into a tirade like an ignoramus because you can't control your anger. You're banning Idub23 NOW because of what he's now posting. The UN deal should have been dealt with immediately if you were telling the truth about why you're banning him. Either that or you're derelict in your job as an 'admin.'
Time someone called you out on your own hypocrisy.
Quote from: ldub23 on June 09, 2023, 03:02:22 PMThe only reasons 2022 wasnt a complete disaster was 2 people. Lee Zeldin ran a strong statewide anti-crime campaign in NY that elected reps to the house. DeSantis 20 point victory in FLA swept in some reps there. We should have won at least 35 seats. We should have won the senate but horrible candidates in NH, GA, AZ, PA prevented that. We lost all the important gov's races again because we stupidly nominated unelectable candidates. Here is a good example locally of how dems nationwide spent tons of money in rep primaries to get the most unelectable candidate nominated. In my district we had Jen Kiggans running against Luria. It was going to be an easy rep pick up. In the nomination fight Kiggans was running against some nut that would have lost to Luria. Dems spent huge amounts of money propping up the nut. Luckily, our local radio morning show pointed out on a daily basis what was going on.
You've obviously been over the target here for too long here to be tolerated. That's the problem with cults, some members tend to become 'religious zealots' at some point and turn into the very dictators and fascists that they claim to hate. It's no wonder you can count the number of active posters on the debate forum on one hand.
Quote from: WMK on June 09, 2023, 05:44:06 PMYou've obviously been over the target here for too long here to be tolerated. That's the problem with cults, some members tend to become 'religious zealots' at some point and turn into the very dictators and fascists that they claim to hate. It's no wonder you can count the number of active posters on the debate forum on one hand.
The clock is running. You have something to prove or retract.
QuoteWasn't too long ago somewhere on this site when both Solar and Possum said they liked DeSantis as a politician.
QuoteProve that was said, and include it in context. You are on thin ground here, your choice is to prove or retract. The discussion is focusing on the presidential election and what YOU posted is insinuating we have endorsed him for president.
As Idub finally learned, lying is not allowed. ANYTHING you can say and back up is allowed.
Quote from: WMK on June 09, 2023, 05:35:54 PM"Physician, heal thyself." I caught you lying in your posts to me and about me on numerous occasions. Who bans you? It becomes obvious why very few now post on this debate site. Lying, hypocrisy and uncontrolled outburst are what you mainly personify. So who's gonna wanna continue to post here? And the patterns the same. Whenever someone post something that's substantive and indisputable -like Trump's lying about NY vs. Fla.,you go into a tirade like an ignoramus because you can't control your anger. You're banning Idub23 NOW because of what he's now posting. The UN deal should have been dealt with immediately if you were telling the truth about why you're banning him. Either that or you're derelict in your job as an 'admin.'
Time someone called you out on your own hypocrisy.
Show me where I lied about you! You've proven you're some ignorant kid who knows nothing about our recent history, hence the term "Kid", and two, you support DeSantis, a child Pol Selected by the NWO Uniparty.
Which in itself proves you to be a lib.
Anger? Nope, ldub was banned over a year ago for blatant lies, only when he discovered he could use his phone, is when he started trolling again.
He was warned multiple time about fabricating shit, and never once retracted his statement, nor backed them up with actual proof.
As to the forum appearing slow, historically, this is a relatively slow time because most people have a life.
Winter is when things heat up, usually Oct thru Dec.
But right now, most are sick of politics, period, and are doing their best to avoid it, especially considering they believe they've lost their voice.
So go ahead and prove I lied about anything! LIB!
Oh, and since I own the forum? No one calls the shots but me, though Taxed has the power to speak his piece, since he's my partner and the head Admin.
DeSantis In the Lead To Single Digits. :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
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