Quote from: Trip on August 12, 2013, 10:08:06 PM
They're relyig on that.   They're relying on you and others being that ignorant.

"THIS IS NOTHING BUT POLTICS FOLKS. DONT BE VIOLENT AND JUST GO AND SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!!"

Seriously, every time you open your mouth you're sounding more and more like a communist plant, becaust I honestly don't think that anyone can be that stupid, particularly not someone calling themselves a Conservative.


One can sift through those "political events" and see them deliberately working to classify things as "politics" that are not.  And they're running repeated test balloons to see if these concepts "fly", and we are brain-warped enough to be enslaved again. 

Do you remember the House passing the Global Warming legislation?   The Bill actually created a global warming gestapo that could come to a person's home, that was previously legal under the state's local building codes, and then declare that house insufficient to federal climate standards,  But not only that, they would charge the owner  with being an "unlawful occupant" (their words) in their own home, not on a monthly basis, but on a daily basis.    Even one Representative recognized this was virtually identical to the 3rd Amendment's quartering of troops, and our not having actual ownership of our own homes.

When the public  outcry grew too great, after the House actually passed this, they moved on to Health Care.

Immediately afterwards  the next task they engaged was government  actually asserting ownership of the individual under ObamaCare, something grossly unconstitutional. Yet  among all the people on this board here, NO ONE will still pronounce it unconstitutional except me.   

Do you actually believe it is reasonable for a Supreme Court Chief Justice to write 70% of an opinion that entirely rejects ObamaCare and then, at the last minute, flip his vote from to supporting it, saying it's actually entirely constitutional from his sudden recognition of a plenary taxing authority for the federal government (which doesn't even exist)?     

How is it possible that they had these two ENORMOUS bills, ready to be voted on, yet unread, each thousands of pages, and they still managed to get these bills through to be voted on?

And what does Roberts actually say in that PPACA opinion, prominently, despite its utter lack of rationality?  Roberts indicates it's "not his job to protect people  from their bad political choices.".

HOW the hell is government's ownership of citizen's merely a political choice, much less just a "bad" one?  How the hell did the people even make that political choice when more than 50% of them rejected ObamaCare from the start?  How the hell does anythng but an incompetent Chief Justice forget his oath to the Constitution, and imagine that people can compel far more than "bad political choices" on others, actually enslaving them to the government, with government violating or annulling A FULL 80% OF THAT BILL OF RIGHTS? 

One of the few parts of that Bill of Rights left out is that 3rd Amendment, which was curiously assaulted by that Climate Change legislation, and the other being the 2nd Amendment, with it being under assault by a "coincidental" gun massacre in a school.

Do you actually think these are just chance occurrences, and not actual "test balloons"? The convenient  thing about these test balloons (for them)  is they can float them up, and see how people react, see how adequately people are enslaved, without exposing themselves to attack.  After all, it's only "politics"   

And what has been going during all these legislative efforts? The ever-increasing enslavement of the people - our being groped by the TSA, which has now advanced to random street stops,  our being listened in to and all our data being collected, which, oops.,  they just told us in a leak,  and drones in our skies, and repeated Martial Law exercises in our cities, all habituating us to a police state.

If you doubt the existence of these "test balloons", then what do you think this regime was  actually expressing (more than once) when it indicated, "don't let a serious crisis go to waste", and we've gone from one crisis to another.  Beck recognized these trial balloons in his book the "The Overton Window", which is a political theory that describes as a narrow "window" the range of ideas the public will accept, and this regime has been continually adjusting that window by various means. 

This thread is a standing example of how warped we ourselves have become in what we've been trained to accept.

All of this barrage upon us is not mere coincidence, but rather deliberately and methodically being done by groups that are NOT our Congress, but influence our Congress,  to change our mind-set, with the ultimate goal of enslaving us.

Yet here Solar are telling us it is "ONLY POLITICS", and if we resist, if we rise even only in defense, not even raising arms, against this GROSSLY tyrannous government action going on all around us,  which government has no authority to engage,  WE ARE JUST FAILING AT POLITICS?   

But "VOTE HARDER, COMRADE!"

I don't know you, Solar,  but I am curious to know if you'd actually have said and believed these things only five years ago.   No, I don't want your perspective on that at this point, because either way, I'm not sure I could trust it.

I sincerely don't have the ability to display my utter contempt for everything you're saying, but this has  now climaxed to the worst, and its coming from a guy who alleges himself to be a Conservative, on a Conservative forum.   

Now our standing up for our rights, and using force to defend them, is just "failed politics", making our freedoms be subject to political whim.

This is nowhere any ideology of the founders, and is entirely in conflict with those founders, but it is the ideology of statism itself, that our primary obligation is to the state, no matter what form it may assume, making us neo-serfs living our lives in obligation to the state .

• That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
  
  But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their DUTY, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Nowhere in those noble words would this nation's founders be able to dismiss what is going on as "just politics", much less characterize  our DUTY to react to it as "failed politics".

If anyone here is able to grasp what I am expressing,  speak now,  or forever hold your peace.

All that bull shit and still you are unable to give me your plan.
Which is it, military coup, or are you waiting for a "Real Man" to stand up and fight back, not some fabricated tough guy internet keyboard jockey, such as yourself?

Again, show me where you are actually doing something to effect change, outside of claiming superiority and denouncing half the country as a bunch of socialist/commies for finally making a difference.
How dare those bastards for what they did in 2010, the cowards should be ashamed to even claim victory in the shadow of the omnipotent Trip, the Internet tough guy, able to make change, simply by insulting those that believe we still have yet to exhaust all options before going to war.

So come on oh mighty one, tell us your plan, tell us how we need to reinstall the Constitution, or was that destroy the Document you claim to hold so dear, which has, at this point become a useless piece of paper because it failed.

Again, a whole lot of bellicose BS from the internet tough guy that never once took into consideration the age and abilities of his fighting force, that mostly range in ages over 40, and now have health issues and physical limitations, but he and his army will take the country back.

Yeah, and I'm the nut?

Quote from: Solar on August 13, 2013, 06:26:19 AM
All that bull shit and still you are unable to give me your plan.
Which is it, military coup, or are you waiting for a "Real Man" to stand up and fight back, not some fabricated tough guy internet keyboard jockey, such as yourself?

Again, show me where you are actually doing something to effect change, outside of claiming superiority and denouncing half the country as a bunch of socialist/commies for finally making a difference.
How dare those bastards for what they did in 2010, the cowards should be ashamed to even claim victory in the shadow of the omnipotent Trip, the Internet tough guy, able to make change, simply by insulting those that believe we still have yet to exhaust all options before going to war.

So come on oh mighty one, tell us your plan, tell us how we need to reinstall the Constitution, or was that destroy the Document you claim to hold so dear, which has, at this point become a useless piece of paper because it failed.

Again, a whole lot of bellicose BS from the internet tough guy that never once took into consideration the age and abilities of his fighting force, that mostly range in ages over 40, and now have health issues and physical limitations, but he and his army will take the country back.

Yeah, and I'm the nut?

I have a plan, It's callled the Constitution. And as I've said, the restoration of the Constution will not come about from scattered militia groups any more than it will come about from voting one populist icon or another into office.

You, you don't have a plain. You don't even have a rationale for a plan. You have a comparison of "less government", and you've  inherently discarded the Constitution, and validated its gutting.   You think the gradual restoration is ratinal, but cannot come forth with a timetable for that restoration, much less a rationale for what's first, and why it should be drawn out.

Effecting the recover of this country first requires changing one's own thoughts, and then the thoughts of those around them, and as this thread has shown, there is a real problem with what Americans recognize to be their heritage, freedom, and their guarantee of a government constrained by the Constitution.

Nothing I've said pretends to be any sort of tough guy, and as with your other posts you just erecting one strawman after another, because you really don't have any sort of argument.  "Blacks cant vote!"  "Women can't vote!"  "Back 200 years!"  "No government at all!" 

It's really beyond pathetic, and this is what passes as "a Conservative" today in some circles.

And the sad part is no one else here has the cojones to to call you on this nonsense, or perhaps its the knowledge.  And I'm not sure which is worse. Neither  bode well for this country's future.

If you don't have a plan, don't give a damn about your freedoms, and want to just wait for what is undeniably coming down the pike at us, then why don't you just sit down, shut the hell up, practice saying please and thank you, and eat your damn cat food!

Quote from: Trip on August 13, 2013, 06:57:10 AM
I have a plan, It's callled the Constitution. And as I've said, the restoration of the Constution will not come about from scattered militia groups any more than it will come about from voting one populist icon or another into office.

You, you don't have a plain. You don't even have a rationale for a plan. You have a comparison of "less government", and you've  inherently discarded the Constitution, and validated its gutting.   You think the gradual restoration is ratinal, but cannot come forth with a timetable for that restoration, much less a rationale for what's first, and why it should be drawn out.

Effecting change first requires changing one's thoughts, and as this thread has shown, there is a real problem with what Americans recognize to be their heritage, freedom, and their guarantee of a government constrained by the Constitution.

Nothing I've said pretends to be any sort of tough guy, and as with your other posts you just erect one strawman after another, because you really don't have any sort of argument.  "Blacks cant vote!"  "Women can't vote!"  "Back 200 years!"  "No government at all!" 

It's really beyond pathetic, and this is what passes as "a Conservative" today in some circles.

If you don't have a plan, don't give a damn about your freedoms, and want to just wait for what is undeniably coming down the pike at us, then why don't you just sit down, shut the hell up, practice saying please and thank you, and eat your damn cat food!

Straw man? So you're not advocating war, tough guy?

Like I said, you infer a bellicose language theme in your posts, so if I'm wrong, prove it by posting your plan of attack, otherwise you are nothing but a lying coward that only attacks the efforts of those doing the groundwork to effect change.

Come on, prove me wrong, show me your strategy, Heir Internet General.

Quote from: Solar on August 13, 2013, 07:07:23 AM
Straw man? So you're not advocating war, tough guy?

Like I said, you infer a bellicose language theme in your posts, so if I'm wrong, prove it by posting your plan of attack, otherwise you are nothing but a lying coward that only attacks the efforts of those doing the groundwork to effect change.

Come on, prove me wrong, show me your strategy, Heir Internet General.

Your attention span must be sharter than your grasp. NOwhere have I advocated war, which is another of your strawman arguments.

Go turn back in this thread, I've detailed 3 things - 1) Nullification 2) Grand Jury and 3) Civil Disobedience.

I'm pretty sure that taking a stand when government indicates that it has now taken de facto ownership of each and every American, where we don't have any rights, and are living in a police state, is not "advocating war", which is a gross dishonesty on your part, on the heels of many.

Do the government agencies need to be wearing swastikas for you to figure out what's going on? Or would you still rather wait until they've come for the Libertarians, the Conservatives, the Constitutionalists, the Ron Paulites, just like Pastor Martin Niemoller's poem, and there's no one to stand for you, or with you?

Maybe you didn't notice that the federal government is already targeting those groups, such as the IRS the Tea Parties, the Health Care the Christians, and before these DHS wrote a document targeting "Right Wing Extremist Groups", such as people who support Ron Paul, sport  "Don't Tread on me" stickers, and Veterans.

How many rounds does DHS have now, and not just common rounds, but hollow points?  Enough to kill every American four times over,at least. And this is going on even though DHS was originally chartered to be a logistics group for existing agencies and not a combat group for within this very country.   Naa, no problem here at all. 

But you still need a telegraph to figure out what's going on. The fact is that we will be forced to fight, rather than choosing to fight. 

Or we can follow your "plan" and  just sit back and be "reasonable", not making any waves, and just pretend this is our "changing society".  Good luck with that.

Shenanigans was more interesting, concise, mature, and collegial.  That's scary.

Work a trade ?

Tired of Abe Simpson here.

Quote from: Trip on August 12, 2013, 11:05:25 PM
Yes, you're a drooler too.

Quote from: Trip on August 12, 2013, 10:08:06 PM
Seriously, every time you open your mouth you're sounding more and more like a communist plant, becaust I honestly don't think that anyone can be that stupid, particularly not someone calling themselves a Conservative.

I killed the rest of the screed. Got tired of some peachfuzz-faced egomaniacal kid telling others they're this or that if they don't believe EXACTLY LIKE HIM.

Before starting Conservative Political Forum, Solar had been voted in (by a clear majority of those voting) as Conservative of the Year at Liberty News Forum.com.

He's walking the walk. You're just pasting the talk.

Quote from: quiller on August 13, 2013, 08:50:12 AM
I killed the rest of the screed. Got tired of some peachfuzz-faced egomaniacal kid telling others they're this or that if they don't believe EXACTLY LIKE HIM.

Before starting Conservative Political Forum, Solar had been voted in (by a clear majority of those voting) as Conservative of the Year at Liberty News Forum.com.

He's walking the walk. You're just pasting the talk.

Yeah, he's walking the talk... of a clueless RINO that you all rail about here, while  pretending to be the ultimate conservatives.

And I was voted among the most competent debaters in Conservatives at Hannity.   Where is Liberty News Forum.com? Who is he actually arguing with, the same cross section of tea partiers that think that they're arguing the Constitution with just "less government".  I bet he really had to show his stuff there, no doubt.

He's spent this entire discussion here pulling the liberal penchant to fabricate strawmen, and actual liberal arguments themselves! 

"You want it so Blacks cant vote!" 
"You want it so Women can't vote!" 
"You want to take us back 200 years!" 
"You want no government at all!" 

None of those were anything I even implied.

But I guess he didn't recognize this as actually being liberal arguments over there in the hard core Liberty News Forum.

If his arguments were all that effective, you wouldn't have to be here pleading his case.  But its really not that bad; it he has been trained to discount the Constitution all along in public schooling, he really cannot be expected to make any sort of competent argument regarding that document.

I hear an angry cornered whimpering child, bawling 'cause nooooooobody will listen.

Yeah, always tough to divine the real person behind the postings.

He's given us some tantalizing tales of diving with Cousteau and getting credentials in the 60's or 70's, and various academic adventures and hobnobbing with the legal eagles.

But he behaves a lot more like a mouthy 15-YO.  The net is full of teens creating funny little personas for their own little shits & grins.

It's either that or a full-on Abe Simpson, yelling at the clouds.

Quote from: quiller on August 13, 2013, 09:08:10 AM
I hear an angry cornered whimpering child, bawling 'cause nooooooobody will listen.

No body will listen? I've been on national radio  a number of times. 

I gave you the chance to actually address something relevant to this forum, but you instead chose to engage in forum nonsense.   If this impotent nonsense is all you're capable of providing in this exchange, you need to go buy, beg, borrow, or steal "a clue". 

You need to get out of your tiny fish bowl mentality, king fish, and actually stand up straight and suck in your lower lip.  This isn't your girlie internet bullshit going on here. Your life and the lives of your family are on the line, your very future and the future of this country for generations to come.  You evidently haven't the mental capacity, or at least the inclination,  to understand this country's principles when you were handed the freedom!  Now we need something more.

I can even find a more competent discussion of the Constitution coming from a guy discussing Aliens, UFOs and deep underground military bases from a geologist named Phil Schneider, which I just got this morning, emailed by a friend.

Hey, maybe geologists do dig deeper than your average mortal, but you don't need to whine about it.

Edited to add: Regarding your ironic graphic, what I am actually arguing here is "what we fight for", the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution, and not just partisan nonsense of "who we fight against".

As with Shenanigans, the attention and replies are slurped down like sweet cherry sody pop..................and rewarded with many long burps of satisfied retorts to retarts to restarts to resharts.........

Quote from: Trip on August 13, 2013, 09:22:05 AM

more bullshit

Zealots are trash, sonny. Adults listen to options, not attack without knowing a DAMN thing about someone's established history. You keep accusing someone of being a communist simply because he disagrees with YOUR version of what conservativism means? Since when did we elect Justin Beiber as President, you snarling pillow-biting punk?

Awwwwww, you got listened-to on some local NPR call-in rant-show. How nice for you. There'll be a bronze plaque in the village square, testifying to your bravery against the enemy, if not a statue the scrappers won't hesitate to steal.

Quote from: AndyJackson on August 13, 2013, 09:36:58 AM
As with Shenanigans, the attention and replies are slurped down like sweet cherry sody pop..................and rewarded with many long burps of satisfied retorts to retarts to restarts to resharts.........

Aw, you had to go ruin it dragging in THAT babbling loon. But you're right. Don't feed the trolls, and THIS close-minded know-it-all surely fits that same description.

"limps across the finish line...."  OOOG!!!!!!

Quote from: quiller on August 13, 2013, 09:38:24 AM
Zealots are trash, sonny. Adults listen to options, not attack without knowing a DAMN thing about someone's established history. You keep accusing someone of being a communist simply because he disagrees with YOUR version of what conservativism means? Since when did we elect Justin Beiber as President, you snarling pillow-biting punk?

Awwwwww, you got listened-to on some local NPR call-in rant-show. How nice for you. There'll be a bronze plaque in the village square, testifying to your bravery against the enemy, if not a statue the scrappers won't hesitate to steal.

Adults make options; sheep listen to options and pretend they're men while propping up their nonexistent arguments with references like "sonny", and "snarling pillow biting punk".  Evidently that's tapping the well of your resources. 

Actually the last time I was on air, was a lengthy discussion on a nationally syndicated program regarding the corruption of citizenship in this country, in regard to the amnesty still being pushed. 

I suspect you don't know much about that either.   

However despite your impulse otherwise, this isn't about me. This is about the Constitution and every one of our freedoms.  This is about your goddamn family and your future, and you still cannot pull your head from your ass with this petty Internet pond flapping.     

You are however providing concrete evidence why this country has little to no chance of saving itself, and that's extremely tragic, but evidently that tragedy will go over your head too.