Quote from: quiller on August 11, 2013, 09:34:46 PM
He'd certainly approve of the unreadably long posts lately trying to prove points of little interest to any save the poster. Oi, if I wanted a brain-numbing lecture I'd ask for Newt Gingrich.

I hear EZPortal has an addon that allows pictures and speech bubbles, just like your comic books.

It's pretty clear you've never read  even one of those Federalist papers either, too many pesky words.

Quote from: Trip on August 11, 2013, 09:43:35 PM

I hear EZPortal has an addon that allows pictures and speech bubbles, just like your comic books.

It's pretty clear you've never read  even one of those Federalist papers either, too many pesky words.

I don't read cut-and-paste epics scarcely tailored for the specific occasion.

Quote from: Trip on August 11, 2013, 09:32:29 PM
The actual application of the U.S. Constitution is a "grandiose scheme"? A scheme?  REALLY?

I thought we hit rock bottom when someone, presumably a member in good standing of this conservative forum,   actually indicated that we have elections on whether or not to "implement" the Constitution.   I could have closed my eyes, and been on any radical liberal forum anywhere on the fruited plain of the Internet.

But now you think the actual application of the Constitution is a "grandiose scheme"?

This is pathetic. This country is done for, and I gotta say some deserve to be nothing but dutiful servants to a despotic government.  This nation's founders put their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honors on the line, taking on the most powerful empire in the world, and did so when they were entitled under law to nothing.  And yet what we get here describes what they blessed this nation with as a "grandiose scheme".   

There's really no other way to recognize that other than it being truly pathetic.

"Don't make waves, that's insane.  Let's just tell them we want a 'fair tax'.  Maybe they'll buy into that",   after these communists regularly pronounce on national media that the existing graduated income tax is grossly unfair.

I'm sure I can find people that think that elections are to determine whatever agenda wins, and "elections have consequences", "what a damn shame, it appears the Constitution lost!  You lost, so quit your whining, but Obama, he's still  a Constitutional expert."    However to find these people one generally does not go to a conservative crew.

I got news for you, there are people all over this country who do know what the constitution is, and what it means, and they do support its continuous "implementation", and they're prepared to lay down their very lives for it.  I'm not alone. I'm not even sure I'm alone on this forum.  But you, you're quite sure you don't want to make any waves to restore the liberty you and your family are guaranteed by that document, and were blessed with that liberty, handed it,  by men that put everything on the line.   But don't worry, you've got backup that these ideals are unwise  from the likes of  Ed Schultz,  Rachel Maddow, and Chris "tingle down my leg and urine colored hair" Matthews,  who  will be shouting how radical this ideology is.

But the fact is this was only radical more than 200 years ago, before that ink was plied to the parchment some revere to this day.

What you won't find is this nation's founders ever indicating that 'elections have consequences", and that the vote is a sacred thing to this Republic!   

I wonder why I cannot find these fucking beliefs anywhere in those founder's prolific writings, not anywhere in the 85 articles and 189,954 words that constitute  Federalist papers!  This  doesn't really matter though, because too many that call themselves Conservatives have not read even one of those articles, and elections are just popularity contests of no consequence,....

...  and we certainly don't want to allow those founders to be tyrants imposing their "grandiose scheme" of individual liberty on our present day!  Let's hold a damn sacred election to see if we implement that old, outdated Constitution those racist bastards gave us ... but if it wins women and blacks don't get to vote, and old people get to eat cat food, and have no health care!




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You saw what happened after Katrina right? House to house searches and the forcible removal of weapons.

Remember Waco?

I still happen to believe that the vast majority of our military personnel are on the side of the constitution, and we need to fight to keep it that way. Obama, or whatever wannabe dictator happens to be in power, is not going to dress up the troops in red coats and march them directly into enemy fire, as they did during the revolution.

You're right, there are lots of us, and we need to use our free speech rights to grow our numbers and make people aware of what's going on. We need to insist that pressure is kept on the IRS, and people are prosecuted for what they have done. We need to use the power of the vote to get constitutional conservatives in office...right down to the local dog catcher. We need to march on Washington, and keep the pressure on.

You may want to read, The Art of War. There's a lot more to it than grabbing guns and trying to shoot the bad guys. Yeah, the constitution is worth fighting for, and the battle can be won without firing a shot.

I don't consider myself to be a coward, but I am a realist....if you're implying that it's time for an armed conflict, I see no way that it would end well. Suicide is not in my game plan.

Quote from: kramarat on August 12, 2013, 06:11:40 AM

You may want to read, The Art of War. There's a lot more to it than grabbing guns and trying to shoot the bad guys. Yeah, the constitution is worth fighting for, and the battle can be won without firing a shot.

   Were you aware of Machiavelli's book of the same title?

http://www.amazon.com/Art-War-Niccol%C3%B2-Machiavelli/dp/030681076X/ref=sr_1_18?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376313542&sr=1-18&keywords=art+of+war

But the Sun Tzu version is clearly what you mentioned. That's here. Both are worth reading.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=art+of+war

Quote from: quiller on August 12, 2013, 06:21:27 AM
   Were you aware of Machiavelli's book of the same title?

http://www.amazon.com/Art-War-Niccol%C3%B2-Machiavelli/dp/030681076X/ref=sr_1_18?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376313542&sr=1-18&keywords=art+of+war

But the Sun Tzu version is clearly what you mentioned. That's here. Both are worth reading.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=art+of+war

I wasn't aware of the other one.

Obama is growing weak. He can't draw a crowd, applause has to be prompted, everybody is realizing that Obamacare is a socialist disaster, everybody knows that the scandals aren't phoney, nobody wants their phone calls and emails collected, nobody wants 24/7 drone surveillance, nobody wants food stamps instead of jobs....the list is almost endless.

Socialism and government illegality can be beaten back, which would bring back constitutional principles. There is nothing in the constitution that hurts people, it only can help them by allowing them to pursue happiness as they see fit. It not a hard sell, and it doesn't require guns to remove an illegitimate government.

Obama's definitely weakening.  But he's also set up a nearly unassailable system of corruption, blackmail, and arm-twisting that will still keep his socialist agenda moving forward.

I wouldn't be surprised if he, Jarrett, and Holder were cunning enough to know they'd lose steam and the patience / goodwill of the people.....but they just had to get their abusive framework in place to simply roll on past that.

There's still some hope with the investigations into Benghazi, IRS, NSA.  Without them, I think Obama & pals will roll  right into a whole series of new reparations, social resets, and islam-socialism growth.

They just announced a new program to let out as many American felons as possible.  Of course using  "overcrowding" and "unfair sentencing" as the pretext for more social payback and societal disintegration.

Obama will order congress to do it once or twice, then do it by executive order.

I expect another 20 or 30 of these specific social/cultural/racial mulligans to take place in the next 3 years.  If nobody does anything to slow down any of his corrupt network.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 10, 2013, 06:13:49 PM
Well this thread took a turn to the weeds. I haven't read through this tangled pastiche because after a few posts I got a headache. But I'll add my two-penneth anyway. No plan, civil war, protest, election, usurpation etc will be meaningful without a good solid foundation. And plan to put to return a small, constitutional government will only be temporary unless we have already addressed the local, state and federal seats. That is the only way and it is going to be a long frustrating slog. The Tea Party began that long suffering slog in 2009 and made major strides in 2010. They have proven it's possible and it's working. It will get worse before it gets better. But it will get better if we stay the course...

That really does sum it up Boo, he wants to implement a system without a foundation.

I just read back through this thread, and realized I missed some great posts, but one thing is certain, he's alone in his belief that we can force the Nation back 200 years over night.

Quote from: Trip on August 11, 2013, 09:32:29 PM
The actual application of the U.S. Constitution is a "grandiose scheme"? A scheme?  REALLY?

I thought we hit rock bottom when someone, presumably a member in good standing of this conservative forum,   actually indicated that we have elections on whether or not to "implement" the Constitution.   I could have closed my eyes, and been on any radical liberal forum anywhere on the fruited plain of the Internet.

But now you think the actual application of the Constitution is a "grandiose scheme"?

This is pathetic. This country is done for, and I gotta say some deserve to be nothing but dutiful servants to a despotic government.  This nation's founders put their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honors on the line, taking on the most powerful empire in the world, and did so when they were entitled under law to nothing.  And yet what we get here describes what they blessed this nation with as a "grandiose scheme".   

There's really no other way to recognize that other than it being truly pathetic.

"Don't make waves, that's insane.  Let's just tell them we want a 'fair tax'.  Maybe they'll buy into that",   after these communists regularly pronounce on national media that the existing graduated income tax is grossly unfair.

I'm sure I can find people that think that elections are to determine whatever agenda wins, and "elections have consequences", "what a damn shame, it appears the Constitution lost!  You lost, so quit your whining, but Obama, he's still  a Constitutional expert."    However to find these people one generally does not go to a conservative crew.

I got news for you, there are people all over this country who do know what the constitution is, and what it means, and they do support its continuous "implementation", and they're prepared to lay down their very lives for it.  I'm not alone. I'm not even sure I'm alone on this forum.  But you, you're quite sure you don't want to make any waves to restore the liberty you and your family are guaranteed by that document, and were blessed with that liberty, handed it,  by men that put everything on the line.   But don't worry, you've got backup that these ideals are unwise  from the likes of  Ed Schultz,  Rachel Maddow, and Chris "tingle down my leg and urine colored hair" Matthews,  who  will be shouting how radical this ideology is.

But the fact is this was only radical more than 200 years ago, before that ink was plied to the parchment some revere to this day.

What you won't find is this nation's founders ever indicating that 'elections have consequences", and that the vote is a sacred thing to this Republic!   

I wonder why I cannot find these fucking beliefs anywhere in those founder's prolific writings, not anywhere in the 85 articles and 189,954 words that constitute  Federalist papers!  This  doesn't really matter though, because too many that call themselves Conservatives have not read even one of those articles, and elections are just popularity contests of no consequence,....

...  and we certainly don't want to allow those founders to be tyrants imposing their "grandiose scheme" of individual liberty on our present day!  Let's hold a damn sacred election to see if we implement that old, outdated Constitution those racist bastards gave us ... but if it wins women and blacks don't get to vote, and old people get to eat cat food, and have no health care!




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Does the term "Obsessive Compulsive" mean anything to you?
Trip, I'm sure you're a genuinely nice bright guy, however, this is a forum, a place where people share ideas, debate certain issues, hope to sway others into understanding the Conservative message in an effort to convince a large portion of the country that what is best for the individual is to free others from the grip of a tyrannical govt that allows the individual to prosper.

However you literally obsess when someone disagrees with what you believe to be the correct path.
Mine is different with the same end goal, yet because I disagree
There have been people down through the ages that dictated the path of the people under them at the point of a gun, which was the only way to achieve their end goal.
Is that what you're proposing?

I asked you to provide names of others that buy into your scheme, yet nothing, and do you know why that is?
Because most sane people acknowledge what the outcome would be with more than 70% of the people of this Nation against it, but noooo, not you.

I lied...Obama can get a crowd worked up.

We know the attitude of the majority toward Obama; it took a high ranking republican and a lone lib to turn it into racism....which it wasn't.

http://news.yahoo.com/missouri-fair-clown-draws-criticism-obama-mask-004950184.html

Quote from: kramarat on August 12, 2013, 07:07:26 AM

K, You mentioned something earlier that I had not thought of, but in retrospect and looking at the track record of the left makes it totally plausible.

You questioned FDR and his dealing with the depression as suspect.
History has proven his plane was  complete failure, so with the insight of 20/20, and a party with a history of destruction of our Founding principles, I believe you to be correct.

Very perceptive.

He plays every angle, every hour of the day.  And has a fawning network of progressives doing the same at every level of everything.  Especially the media, academia, and every social concern.

We've never faced something like this before in the WH, and it's why some very bad things could happen, previously unthinkable in America.

He's probably just damned lucky that he wandered into such a bunch of worthless little bi***es in the GOP.  There's probably no way he could have engineered the rapid descent into that.

Oh well, that's how it is.

Quote from: AndyJackson on August 12, 2013, 08:00:39 AM
He plays every angle, every hour of the day.  And has a fawning network of progressives doing the same at every level of everything.  Especially the media, academia, and every social concern.

We've never faced something like this before in the WH, and it's why some very bad things could happen, previously unthinkable in America.

He's probably just damned lucky that he wandered into such a bunch of worthless little bi***es in the GOP.  There's probably no way he could have engineered the rapid descent into that.

Oh well, that's how it is.

Of course, as a Conservative, I see the silver lining.

He exposed the GOP to be  nothing more than a bunch of capitulating liberals helping him destroy the country.
Better late than never.

Quote from: Solar on August 12, 2013, 07:55:23 AM
K, You mentioned something earlier that I had not thought of, but in retrospect and looking at the track record of the left makes it totally plausible.

You questioned FDR and his dealing with the depression as suspect.
History has proven his plane was  complete failure, so with the insight of 20/20, and a party with a history of destruction of our Founding principles, I believe you to be correct.

Very perceptive.

I don't know if I was right or not, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the depression was intentionally created to put people on the path to perpetual dependency on government.
With $85 billion of funny money being pumped into the stock market by the fed, each month, I believe we are heading for another huge collapse.

It's hard to believe that FDR was that evil, in that era.  Caring about America and the constitution, and not cottoning to communism, was about 99.5% of America's outlook at that time.

It's well proven that everything he did, did in fact make a really bad recession into the depression.  Even his own cabinet members eventually admitted to this in various ways.

But I've always thought he actually thought it was right, and would work, just sheer incompetence.

The Roosevelts were notorious progressives for govt. growth, Teddy on the GOP side and FDR on the dem side.  They were kind of like the Kennedies of a later era.  I wouldn't have thought one family could spawn a relatively decent conservative on most issues, and somebody so deliberately evil in FDR.

Though he did jump right into a lot of evil things for his agenda, so who knows.

Though given the historical framework, FDR may have simply been sucked into the original wave of communism thought, as it hadn't really taken hold much earlier than that.

Maybe he was just another egghead that fell in love with the sweet, soothing stories of marx, which was certainly popular among intellectuals, social butterflies, and euros at that time.