tbh, I don't understand why Elise Stafnik is such a "great" choice to replace Liz Cheney? Her voting records ain't exactly the best. Chip Roy (https://twitter.com/chiproytx/status/1393004758198329345) has said he's interested in the position, ain't he a better choice?
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https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1393054079991963653
Quote from: TheJohnDie on May 14, 2021, 04:00:16 AMtbh, I don't understand why Elise Stafnik is such a "great" choice to replace Liz Cheney? Her voting records ain't exactly the best. Chip Roy (https://twitter.com/chiproytx/status/1393004758198329345) has said he's interested in the position, ain't he a better choice?
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Lets you know there are still too many rinos in congress. Personally, I do not see any difference between Stafnik, Cheney, or Pelosi.
It's pure politics. Trump made a deal at some point and that included supporting this RINO, a grade F quality RINO.
Yep, Roy is better by far and still has a chance at beating her, in spite of Trump's backing.
By his voting record, YES! Can he form a positive, loyal, coalition of membership to pull the party together and advance a Constitutional, Conservative Agenda? Jeff Sessions looked "OK" too, and what a disappointment he turned out to be!
This really BUGGS me - we get a "majority" in one or both houses, and the RINOs seem to be the ones with the agenda, we see no movement, little legislative progress (Trump gets blamed for not doing more...?). Just little flashes of lightning, Trey Gowdy rants, Miss Lindsey Graham's "Just wait till you see what happens next!" Once upon a time, decades ago, even Ohio GOP newcomer, John Boehner sounded great.
Chip Roy looks OK on paper, but as the LEADER...? crickets... so far. How has he distinguished himself, notable bills introduced, support for his legislation, gathered the loyal opposition to Dem bills - gee, that'd be all over the news, right? "Chip Roy, the biggest thorn in the side of the Dems, is at it again, with his merry band of 'Hell, NO!' GOP..." Is he able to form a smidgeon of resistance to the DEMs..., just is he Jeff Sessions 2.0?
Quote from: Hoofer on May 14, 2021, 04:29:00 AMBy his voting record, YES! Can he form a positive, loyal, coalition of membership to pull the party together and advance a Constitutional, Conservative Agenda? Jeff Sessions looked "OK" too, and what a disappointment he turned out to be!
This really BUGGS me - we get a "majority" in one or both houses, and the RINOs seem to be the ones with the agenda, we see no movement, little legislative progress (Trump gets blamed for not doing more...?). Just little flashes of lightning, Trey Gowdy rants, Miss Lindsey Graham's "Just wait till you see what happens next!" Once upon a time, decades ago, even Ohio GOP newcomer, John Boehner sounded great.
Chip Roy looks OK on paper, but as the LEADER...? crickets... so far. How has he distinguished himself, notable bills introduced, support for his legislation, gathered the loyal opposition to Dem bills - gee, that'd be all over the news, right? "Chip Roy, the biggest thorn in the side of the Dems, is at it again, with his merry band of 'Hell, NO!' GOP..." Is he able to form a smidgeon of resistance to the DEMs..., just is he Jeff Sessions 2.0?
Depends, is she RINO lite and just another leftist appointee?
Fuck her, I'd rather have a weak Conservative than a RINO any day.
2019/02/26 Overturn President Trump's National Emergency Declaration on the border
2019/02/15 Surrender on the border wall; empower drug cartels and human traffickers
2019/01/11 Reduce accountability in Congress by making federal pay mandatory spending
2018/12/20 Release dangerous criminals from federal prisons
2018/12/12 Squash debate on US involvement in a foreign war
2018/12/12 Pass a $900 billion farm bill with socialist policies
2018/11/28 Pass a bill that will lead to continued nation-building
2018/09/26 Pass a promise-breaking cromnibus before the election
2018/07/25 Extend a broken and almost-insolvent flood insurance program
It gets even worse!
https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/elise-stefanik
Elsie Stefanik has just one thing going for her, name recognition... same was for Jeff Sessions.
I'd rather have some else too! Just a bit wary of Chip Roy.
Elise Stefanik stroked Trump's ego on his impeachment trial, therefore she's the he wants.
On voting record Elise Stefanik votes more with democrats than with republicans. Her Conservative Liberty score is 36% a big fat F.
Chip Roy has a Conservative Liberty score of 100%
Trump has lost his friggin' mind and everyone else who picks a republican that votes with democrats 64% of the time over a true Conservative Chip Roy who so far has a 100% Conservative voting record.
Thanks for bring this post forward....great job.
Definitely a better choice on paper. Can't say I really know him. This is one time that Trump is backing the wrong horse IMHO.
She appears to be the female Peter King.
Done deal and a likely mistake.
Trump-Backed Elise Stefanik Replaces Liz Cheney as House GOP ChairQuoteStefanik was initially known as a more pragmatic and moderate Republican, though she – cautiously – supported Trump as her party's 2016 nominee, according to sweeping New York Times and Wall Street Journal profiles. As Trump made his mark on the GOP as president, however, Stefanik emerged as something of a MAGA convert and by 2019 was one of Trump's most staunch and vocal defenders in the House.
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/liz-cheney-elise-stefanik-gop-republicans/2021/05/14/id/1021385/
Quote from: Bronx on May 14, 2021, 06:21:39 AMElise Stefanik stroked Trump's ego on his impeachment trial, therefore she's the he wants.
On voting record Elise Stefanik votes more with democrats than with republicans. Her Conservative Liberty score is 36% a big fat F.
Chip Roy has a Conservative Liberty score of 100%
Trump has lost his friggin' mind and everyone else who picks a republican that votes with democrats 64% of the time over a true Conservative Chip Roy who so far has a 100% Conservative voting record.
Thanks for bring this post forward....great job.
Let's not forget Trump is not a true conservative. His support is probably based totally on her support for him.
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 14, 2021, 07:47:25 AMLet's not forget Trump is not a true conservative. His support is probably based totally on her support for him.
I know...hell when I saw Trump support for her and his disappointment that Chip Roy was throwing his hat in the ring...I thought Trump was having a flashback to his democrat days.......... :thumbsup:
Chip Roy was TOO SLOW - and who didn't know this vote was coming 2 weeks ago?!
"Stefanik had several days' worth of a head start on launching her leadership bid — Roy only formally announced his challenge to her Thursday, the day before the vote. Trump also released a scathing statement directed at Roy and endorsing Stefanik.
Roy's fellow member of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, U.S. Rep. Ken Buck of Colorado, nominated him for the position, according to reports. Another Republican from Colorado, freshman U.S. Rep. Lauren Boebert, seconded his nomination. Boebert is a highly controversial member of the freshman class who infuriated colleagues on Jan. 6, when she posted on social media the location of lawmakers and that U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had been removed from the chamber."
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If you're going to be an effective LEADER - make up your mind, get your act together, CALL TRUMP (he is the leader of the party), demonstrate you have a plan, vocalize it, and move on it. Chip Roy, like Jeff Sessions is *just a vote* - not leadership material (yet).
Who knows what's going to happen with Stefanik - maybe she's seen the OUR side of things & knows she better produce, or she'll be voted out? I certainly HOPE so.
Quote from: Hoofer on May 14, 2021, 01:34:49 PMChip Roy was TOO SLOW - and who didn't know this vote was coming 2 weeks ago?!
"Stefanik had several days' worth of a head start on launching her leadership bid — Roy only formally announced his challenge to her Thursday, the day before the vote. Trump also released a scathing statement directed at Roy and endorsing Stefanik.
Roy's fellow member of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, U.S. Rep. Ken Buck of Colorado, nominated him for the position, according to reports. Another Republican from Colorado, freshman U.S. Rep. Lauren Boebert, seconded his nomination. Boebert is a highly controversial member of the freshman class who infuriated colleagues on Jan. 6, when she posted on social media the location of lawmakers and that U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had been removed from the chamber."
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If you're going to be an effective LEADER - make up your mind, get your act together, CALL TRUMP (he is the leader of the party), demonstrate you have a plan, vocalize it, and move on it. Chip Roy, like Jeff Sessions is *just a vote* - not leadership material (yet).
Who knows what's going to happen with Stefanik - maybe she's seen the OUR side of things & knows she better produce, or she'll be voted out? I certainly HOPE so.
"Boebert is a highly controversial member of the freshman class"WTF? Who wrote this shit? She's a solid Conservative!!!
Quote from: Solar on May 14, 2021, 01:38:51 PM"Boebert is a highly controversial member of the freshman class"
WTF? Who wrote this shit? She's a solid Conservative!!!
Texas Tribune (https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/14/chip-roy-elise-stefanik/) Thought I had posted the source - sorry.
(that's less than 9 minutes to re-edit... or modify)
Quote from: Hoofer on May 14, 2021, 01:43:45 PMhttps://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/14/chip-roy-elise-stefanik/ Thought I had posted the source - sorry.
(that's less than 9 minutes to re-edit... or modify)
No big, my issue was with the idiot author.
Do me a favor, just post the full link so others know where they're going.
Here's my take:
First, we're all in agreement that Stefanik is a piece of RINO sewage. I'm surprised she doesn't have a horn sticking out of her forehead. She's America-last straight down the line, and the country is better off without her voting record.
Chip Roy has a better voting record, and I think we all agree Roy, as a representative, beats Stefanik.
President Trump, at this point, is the leader of the people and represents pro-American values. He's the General leading us against the deep-state and returning our election system back to us, the people. To do that, he needs his super power, which is his support from the people.
We just went from the Cheney-RINOs a few months ago saying "Trump is done!!" to "Screw him! We're leaving the Republican Party and starting our own!". President Trump was able to do that because we're all behind him and will reject leftist RINOs at his direction. President Trump had a deep-state clown removed from a GOP committee and replaced her with a RINO. Think about that.
I wonder if he picked a RINO just to put an exclamation point on the move, but he did it.
At this point, NOBODY has any confusion about who's in charge of the Republican Party and has the support of the people.
Nothing is more important to the country right now than taking back our elections. Nothing. Once we're able to choose our leaders once again, all of our problems in society and our culture clear up overnight. Why? Because we elect representatives and officials who will be elected by us and return to being our public servants and representatives.
Even those who were deep-state and will be caught during this transition will automatically flop to the side of serving the people. Otherwise, they're gone sooner than later.
Stefanik has been calling out election fraud. Chip Roy called for Pence to knowingly certify the election.
Ironically, Stefanik's policies in a country where the people can choose their representatives will result in her being primaried. Also ironically, Chip Roy's support of certifying a fraudulent election will take him out as well.
Roy is a conservative representing a district in Texas. That's like Pelosi representing baby-murder in Marin County. It doesn't take a lot of balls to say "I'm pro-Second Amendment!" in Texas, for example.
Roy caved like a little bitch, however, when the deep-state RINO pressure came down on him. That's not someone who should be ANYWHERE NEAR GOP leadership! He's a Pence-Cheney GOP representative.
Stefanik didn't cave. She went against the deep-state RINOs, albeit a RINO herself, but she put the country and our freedoms first. Roy didn't.
Is Stefanik the best choice to replace Cheney? Of course not, but we now have someone in that seat pushing against the "Biden won" narrative. Roy hasn't and won't.
Those focusing on Roy's conservative voting record versus Stefanik's RINO record aren't looking at the big picture, which is to take back our elections. I don't want to be in a CCP gulag preaching about how baby-murder is wrong and the Second Amendment needs to be protected. That would make Roy and such "conservatives" happy. Not me.
Once we have it back, Stefanik gets kicked out of GOP leadership anyway.
https://rumble.com/vh1em3-matt-mccall-rips-chip-roy-urges-election-audits-everywhere-there-was-rampan.html
QuoteMatt McCall Rips Chip Roy, Urges Election Audits Everywhere: 'There Was Rampant Fraud'
Matt McCall, businessman who ran against Chip Roy, explains how the Club for Growth poured $2 million against him to sink his race.
McCall not only backs the Arizona audit, but wants an audit in Texas and everywhere else.
Quote from: taxed on May 14, 2021, 11:28:23 PMhttps://rumble.com/vh1em3-matt-mccall-rips-chip-roy-urges-election-audits-everywhere-there-was-rampan.html
When you get a guy screaming aimlessly into the sky two years later blaming Ted Cruz for his lost in the election against Chip Roy because of money raised you just have to laugh out loud.....So excuse me for second..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
If the Constitution is the law of the land and the 12th Amendment is the standing for presidential elections than Chip Roy is our guy, if not than the likes of Elise Stefanik will always lead our party, the republican party.
Now as far as Chip Roy going against Trump in the 2020 election.....I call bullshit. Pure 100% grade bullshit. You smell what I mean...? If not...here is Chip Roy stating that there are
"unanswered questions" that need to answered about the 2020 election of Donald J. Trump. Chip Roy is 100% correct, it's up the the states to audit the elections and bring the electoral college vote to congress where they count them. Wrong or right...or at least tell me where I'm wrong.
IMO...The Constitution of the United States of America is NOT a living breathing document to change when the wind blows or who's president...it's the law of the land and the 12th Amendment speaks volumes to the 2020 election.....The question Chip Roy and myself ask is this...why did the states certified their votes if there was fraud...? I'm a firm believer there was fraud, bigtime fraud and Donald J. Trump won the 2020 election by a landslide. You know that, no need to preach that here at CPF.
Sorry Taxed... I'm with Chip Roy on this...there are "questions unanswered"...you can have the I'll kiss your ass if you pick me Elise Stefanik. Her voting with the democrats 64% of the time is deafening which even the staunchest Constitutional Conservatives can't hear never mind republicans. Elise Stefanik a Piglosi voting freak...nothing more, nothing less.
As far as President Trump goes...IMO...he is 100 wrong on this Piglosi voting machine Elise Stefanik. The same way I'll tell President Trump to take a hike for his pushing of the COVID-19 vaccine is the same way I'll tell him to take a hike with 36% Elise Stefanik.
Taxed...Chip Roy wants us to follow the Constitution of the United States to the letter and with that we now wanna drag his name through the mud...Not going to happen unless I see proof otherwise that he's a nevertrumper and IMO what you posted is not that proof as of yet.
I leave with this...if we as Constitutional Conservatives are going to throw out the 12th Amendment to kiss President Trump's ass than we need to throw the Bill of Rights and the whole United States Constitution out with it.
Now...to all here at CPF...I introduce to you the 12th Amendment of the United States of America. Read it and it will prove Chip Roy correct.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-12
Now...I introduce to you what Chip Roy has to say about the 2020 election.
Ciao Bronx.
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Let's step back and consider this. The bottom line is Cheney has been relegated to irrelevance. Is Stefanik the ideal conservative? No. However, she is an ardent Trump supporter. That is progress. TEA was not quick either.
"Texas Republican Chip Roy says he voted to certify Biden as president even if it signs 'my political death warrant'
Roy: Trump 'should never have spun up certain Americans to believe something that simply cannot be'"
So be it.
Political Death Warrant
Quote from: rp5x5 on May 15, 2021, 12:10:15 PM"Texas Republican Chip Roy says he voted to certify Biden as president even if it signs 'my political death warrant'
Roy: Trump 'should never have spun up certain Americans to believe something that simply cannot be'"
So be it.
Political Death Warrant
Link please
Quote from: Bronx on May 15, 2021, 11:14:36 AMWhen you get a guy screaming aimlessly into the sky two years later blaming Ted Cruz for his lost in the election against Chip Roy because of money raised you just have to laugh out loud.....So excuse me for second..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: He could have been a lot smoother...
QuoteIf the Constitution is the law of the land and the 12th Amendment is the standing for presidential elections than Chip Roy is our guy, if not than the likes of Elise Stefanik will always lead our party, the republican party.
The election evidence was overwhelming.
QuoteNow as far as Chip Roy going against Trump in the 2020 election.....I call bullshit. Pure 100% grade bullshit. You smell what I mean...? If not...here is Chip Roy stating that there are "unanswered questions" that need to answered about the 2020 election of Donald J. Trump. Chip Roy is 100% correct, it's up the the states to audit the elections and bring the electoral college vote to congress where they count them. Wrong or right...or at least tell me where I'm wrong.
Did you see the clip of Roy at 4:15?
QuoteIMO...The Constitution of the United States of America is NOT a living breathing document to change when the wind blows or who's president...it's the law of the land and the 12th Amendment speaks volumes to the 2020 election.....The question Chip Roy and myself ask is this...why did the states certified their votes if there was fraud...? I'm a firm believer there was fraud, bigtime fraud and Donald J. Trump won the 2020 election by a landslide. You know that, no need to preach that here at CPF.
Sorry Taxed... I'm with Chip Roy on this...there are "questions unanswered"...you can have the I'll kiss your ass if you pick me Elise Stefanik. Her voting with the democrats 64% of the time is deafening which even the staunchest Constitutional Conservatives can't hear never mind republicans. Elise Stefanik a Piglosi voting freak...nothing more, nothing less.
Everyone and their mamma knows the election was stolen. We counted on Chip Roy to call attention to it and preach it like MTG is. He hasn't, and won't.
Allowing the Marxists to take over our country "legally" isn't something I'm on board with. Chip Roy is.
QuoteAs far as President Trump goes...IMO...he is 100 wrong on this Piglosi voting machine Elise Stefanik. The same way I'll tell President Trump to take a hike for his pushing of the COVID-19 vaccine is the same way I'll tell him to take a hike with 36% Elise Stefanik.
I understand, but Stefanik is supporting the audits and believe Trump won. Roy doesn't.
QuoteTaxed...Chip Roy wants us to follow the Constitution of the United States to the letter and with that we now wanna drag his name through the mud...Not going to happen unless I see proof otherwise that he's a nevertrumper and IMO what you posted is not that proof as of yet.
He blamed Trump for the Capitol Building incident, and blamed MAGA. He's anti-Trump, and if not, he sure was when he thought Trump was out of the picture and done.
QuoteI leave with this...if we as Constitutional Conservatives are going to throw out the 12th Amendment to kiss President Trump's ass than we need to throw the Bill of Rights and the whole United States Constitution out with it.
I totally get your point, but my point is you can't use the Constitution and our laws against us. That's what Roy represents. Stefanik doesn't.
Quote from: rp5x5 on May 15, 2021, 12:10:15 PM"Texas Republican Chip Roy says he voted to certify Biden as president even if it signs 'my political death warrant'
Roy: Trump 'should never have spun up certain Americans to believe something that simply cannot be'"
So be it.
Political Death Warrant
@rp5x5 yes, please post a link to that when you get a sec...
Quote from: Bronx on May 15, 2021, 12:39:04 PMLink please
https://www.ksat.com/news/texas/2021/01/07/texas-republican-chip-roy-says-he-voted-to-certify-biden-as-president-even-if-it-signs-my-political-death-warrant/ (https://www.ksat.com/news/texas/2021/01/07/texas-republican-chip-roy-says-he-voted-to-certify-biden-as-president-even-if-it-signs-my-political-death-warrant/)
Quote from: rp5x5 on May 15, 2021, 09:56:02 PMhttps://www.ksat.com/news/texas/2021/01/07/texas-republican-chip-roy-says-he-voted-to-certify-biden-as-president-even-if-it-signs-my-political-death-warrant/ (https://www.ksat.com/news/texas/2021/01/07/texas-republican-chip-roy-says-he-voted-to-certify-biden-as-president-even-if-it-signs-my-political-death-warrant/)
What a piece of RINO crap.
Quote from: taxed on May 15, 2021, 10:24:43 PMWhat a piece of RINO crap.
He is probably just very dumb, maybe on bad drugs and doesn't have a clue about how he looks to Trump and his supporters--a total betrayer and phony.
Let's see what Stefanik does.
Quote from: taxed on May 15, 2021, 10:24:43 PMWhat a piece of RINO crap.
He's a rino piece of shit because of the 12th Amendment......and your Piglosi voting fool Elise Stefanik is your leader........ :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh please spare us your bullshit. The democrats would have never been able to pull off this fraud if it wasn't for the republicans in them states.
Quote from: rp5x5 on May 16, 2021, 03:45:08 AMHe is probably just very dumb, maybe on bad drugs and doesn't have a clue about how he looks to Trump and his supporters--a total betrayer and phony.
Let's see what Stefanik does.
Another so called Conservative that throws out the 12th Amendment of the United State Constitution......great job..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: rp5x5 on May 16, 2021, 03:45:08 AMHe is probably just very dumb, maybe on bad drugs and doesn't have a clue about how he looks to Trump and his supporters--a total betrayer and phony.
Let's see what Stefanik does.
Agreed, I'm no big fan of hers either, or some other of PDJT's endorsement/appointments, but they were all done for a reason.....with some I don't think the appointee even knew the reason. Some had a particular skill set needed for a brief time, some were to gain oppo info while others were just for self incrimination and DS exposure
Hopefully we will get answers to these and this one in particular ...SOON
Un-friggin'-believable that a congressmen is in the wrong for following the US Constitution to the letter...the 12th Amendment which nobody here at CPF wants to touch. I noticed everyone that is commenting on Chip Roy refuses to address the elephant in the room...the 12th Amendment of the US Constitution
Blame the guy that follows the Constitution because he will not kiss President Trump's ass, meanwhile Elise Stefanik is a Piglosi voting machine and you love her because she's kisses President Trump's ass....I just don't get it....throw out the US Constitution so we can have a rino piece of shit that kisses Trump's ass...that's what this is all about. Now go get the COVID-19 jab because Trump said so. Un-friggin'-believable.
Quote from: rp5x5 on May 16, 2021, 03:45:08 AMHe is probably just very dumb, maybe on bad drugs and doesn't have a clue about how he looks to Trump and his supporters--a total betrayer and phony.
Let's see what Stefanik does.
Did Chip Roy fellow the 12th Amendment of the US Constitution...yes/no.....?
Quote from: Bronx on May 16, 2021, 06:24:49 AMUn-friggin'-believable that a congressmen is in the wrong for following the US Constitution to the letter...the 12th Amendment which nobody here at CPF wants to touch. I noticed everyone that is commenting on Chip Roy refuses to address the elephant in the room...the 12th Amendment of the US Constitution
Blame the guy that follows the Constitution because he will not kiss President Trump's ass, meanwhile Elise Stefanik is a Piglosi voting machine and you love her because she's kisses President Trump's ass....I just don't get it....throw out the US Constitution so we can have a rino piece of shit that kisses Trump's ass...that's what this is all about. Now go get the COVID-19 jab because Trump said so. Un-friggin'-believable.
Bronx, do you need a Snickers? :lol:
Quote from: Sauce on May 16, 2021, 06:32:11 AMBronx, do you need a Snickers? :lol:
Yell yeah....:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's funny no matter who you are... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Just doing my patriotic duty protecting the US Constitution against people that thinks it's a living and breathing document.
Quote from: Bronx on May 16, 2021, 05:57:26 AMHe's a rino piece of shit because of the 12th Amendment......and your Piglosi voting fool Elise Stefanik is your leader........ :lol: :lol: :lol:
She ain't my leader. She and I only agree on the most important issue of our time: giving the election system back to the people.
QuoteOh please spare us your bullshit.
I have way too much to not share...
QuoteThe democrats would have never been able to pull off this fraud if it wasn't for the republicans in them states.
I completely, 100% agree!!!
Quote from: Bronx on May 16, 2021, 06:24:49 AMUn-friggin'-believable that a congressmen is in the wrong for following the US Constitution to the letter...the 12th Amendment which nobody here at CPF wants to touch. I noticed everyone that is commenting on Chip Roy refuses to address the elephant in the room...the 12th Amendment of the US Constitution
Blame the guy that follows the Constitution because he will not kiss President Trump's ass, meanwhile Elise Stefanik is a Piglosi voting machine and you love her because she's kisses President Trump's ass....I just don't get it....throw out the US Constitution so we can have a rino piece of shit that kisses Trump's ass...that's what this is all about. Now go get the COVID-19 jab because Trump said so. Un-friggin'-believable.
The 12th Amendment is assuming no outright, crazy fraud was perpetrated and that people are honorable.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9640976524557144959&q=US+v.+Throckmorton+%5B98+US+61(1878)%5D+fraud+vitiates+everything&hl=en&as_sdt=40006&as_vis=1
https://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=36996
Edited by Admin. Free republic is not a source, always find the original source.
Quote from: rp5x5 on May 16, 2021, 04:32:12 PMThe 12th Amendment is assuming no outright, crazy fraud was perpetrated and that people are honorable.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9640976524557144959&q=US+v.+Throckmorton+%5B98+US+61(1878)%5D+fraud+vitiates+everything&hl=en&as_sdt=40006&as_vis=1
https://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=36996
Edited by Admin. Free republic is not a source, always find the original source.
There you go right there, in bold, proving my point that you believe the Constitution of the United States of America is a living breathing document which gets updated with your feelings. News flash it's NOT a living breathing document...it's the law of the land.
Listen...you seem like a nice fellow and I'm with you that the 2020 election was stolen from us...where you lose me at is throwing out the US Constitution.
Now if you would say something like...everything after the Bill of Rights is pure bullshit...you have my ear. Until the Bill of Rights stand alone we must follow the US Constitution to the letter just like Chip Roy is going as far as the 12th Amendment is concerned.
I'll give you the last word with it, have fun and remember...I'm very sensitive.... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Bronx on May 17, 2021, 05:38:08 AMThere you go right there, in bold, proving my point that you believe the Constitution of the United States of America is a living breathing document which gets updated with your feelings. News flash it's NOT a living breathing document...it's the law of the land.
Listen...you seem like a nice fellow and I'm with you that the 2020 election was stolen from us...where you lose me at is throwing out the US Constitution.
Now if you would say something like...everything after the Bill of Rights is pure bullshit...you have my ear. Until the Bill of Rights stand alone we must follow the US Constitution to the letter just like Chip Roy is going as far as the 12th Amendment is concerned.
I'll give you the last word with it, have fun and remember...I'm very sensitive.... :thumbsup:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Bronx, did you not see Where I, edited his post? He actually posted a link to free republic. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on May 17, 2021, 07:01:13 AM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Bronx, did you not see Where I, edited his post? He actually posted a link to free republic. :lol:
No I didn't catch that. I way too busy blowing a gasket on the Constitution being a living and breathing document.....I'm glad you did...that's why you make the big bucks... :lol:
Great catch.
Quote from: Bronx on May 17, 2021, 07:25:16 AMNo I didn't catch that. I way too busy blowing a gasket on the Constitution being a living and breathing document.....I'm glad you did...that's why you make the big bucks... :lol:
Great catch.
I just doubled CPF's income, now everyone makes 2000% over what I make.
not one damn cent. :lol:
However, with Taxed genius, I just might recoup the thousands invested in CPF. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Bronx on May 16, 2021, 06:30:39 AMDid Chip Roy fellow the 12th Amendment of the US Constitution...yes/no.....?
I have not followed this particular election at all and from what Ive read here they are both RINO POS and I wouldnt vote for either.
However, from reading his statement and looking at the text of the 12th, I have to say no, chip is not following it at all. It was illegal for them to certify the election on the 6th, it went against what the 12th says.
Here are the pertinent points of the 12th(sans the parts where no one gets a majority)
QuoteThe Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, ...(blah blah blah)... and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;–The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed...
Now lets look at a couple of points here...
QuoteThe Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President
This part demands the existence of ELECTORS, the problem is that the people sent to be electors are just people and not electors if the state didnt follow its own rules appointing them. Thats not a judgment or an opinion, it is a fact, they ARE NOT legally electors if the law was not followed appointing them. If they are not legally electors then they cannot be counted as such as the senate did, thus acting illegally. Are they just supposed to assume anyone showing up and claiming to be an elector is one? If the states sent dogs to vote on the 6th then the 12th would not allow the senate to count those since it demands electors and dogs are not electors.
Also dont forget, some states sent separate slates of electors for trump and the senate just ignored them as if they didnt exist.
Thats the first place they screwed up, here is the second...
Quotethe President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted
Except that they didnt count votes from the states in question, they counted pieces of paper. The law demands that in order for those pieces of paper to be considered 'votes' they must have gone thru a certain process, which they did not. If the states had delivered bouquets of flowers and called them votes is the senate just supposed to count the flowers? Nowhere in the 12th does it say that anything the states call votes simply are votes, there is a process required to turn that piece of paper into a vote, one which was not followed, thus they are not votes but pieces of paper.
So you see the 12th demands ELECTORS and VOTES from the states in question, neither of which were anywhere to be found at the capital on Jan 6th since the process wasnt followed earlier on. Its not a matter of opinion, that simply is the case. So we arent changing the 12th, the 12th simply wasnt followed to the letter.
Quote from: T Hunt on May 17, 2021, 09:42:40 AMI have not followed this particular election at all and from what Ive read here they are both RINO POS and I wouldnt vote for either.
However, from reading his statement and looking at the text of the 12th, I have to say no, chip is not following it at all. It was illegal for them to certify the election on the 6th, it went against what the 12th says.
Here are the pertinent points of the 12th(sans the parts where no one gets a majority)
Now lets look at a couple of points here...This part demands the existence of ELECTORS, the problem is that the people sent to be electors are just people and not electors if the state didnt follow its own rules appointing them. Thats not a judgment or an opinion, it is a fact, they ARE NOT legally electors if the law was not followed appointing them. If they are not legally electors then they cannot be counted as such as the senate did, thus acting illegally. Are they just supposed to assume anyone showing up and claiming to be an elector is one? If the states sent dogs to vote on the 6th then the 12th would not allow the senate to count those since it demands electors and dogs are not electors.
Also dont forget, some states sent separate slates of electors for trump and the senate just ignored them as if they didnt exist.
Thats the first place they screwed up, here is the second...
Except that they didnt count votes from the states in question, they counted pieces of paper. The law demands that in order for those pieces of paper to be considered 'votes' they must have gone thru a certain process, which they did not. If the states had delivered bouquets of flowers and called them votes is the senate just supposed to count the flowers? Nowhere in the 12th does it say that anything the states call votes simply are votes, there is a process required to turn that piece of paper into a vote, one which was not followed, thus they are not votes but pieces of paper.
So you see the 12th demands ELECTORS and VOTES from the states in question, neither of which were anywhere to be found at the capital on Jan 6th since the process wasnt followed earlier on. Its not a matter of opinion, that simply is the case. So we arent changing the 12th, the 12th simply wasnt followed to the letter.
I guess my Bronx, NYC public school edumacation failed me once again. This time it's in the comprehension reading department...all this time I thought it was my spelling...who knew.
Now I am a Whiskey drinker and Jameson and I read the 12th this way.....Each state has a certain amount of Electoral College Votes (ECV) for the President of the United States. Each state certifies their ECV votes and send that count to congress. Congress adds up all the states ECV votes and bingo we have a duly elected President.
IMO...the fraud that did happen which is giving these marxist scumbags the weapons they need to justify this fraud....it happened in republican run states like the state I live in...Georgia. The state certifies their ECV and congress certifies the states count.
Anyway...back to our regular schedule program...the 12th Amendment...If I'm reading it wrong...where did I go wrong....anyone.....?
Quote from: Bronx on May 17, 2021, 05:38:08 AMThere you go right there, in bold, proving my point that you believe the Constitution of the United States of America is a living breathing document which gets updated with your feelings. News flash it's NOT a living breathing document...it's the law of the land.
Listen...you seem like a nice fellow and I'm with you that the 2020 election was stolen from us...where you lose me at is throwing out the US Constitution.
Now if you would say something like...everything after the Bill of Rights is pure bullshit...you have my ear. Until the Bill of Rights stand alone we must follow the US Constitution to the letter just like Chip Roy is going as far as the 12th Amendment is concerned.
I'll give you the last word with it, have fun and remember...I'm very sensitive.... :thumbsup:
I Don't allow any Living breathing of my constitution. Are you referring to the "Fraud vitiates Everything". statement?
How am I (a nice fellow?) "throwing out the constitution?"
"Edited by Admin. Free republic is not a source, always find the original source."
I'll keep that in mind. I usually think that it's lazy or rushed to do otherwise.
Quote from: Bronx on May 18, 2021, 07:34:49 AMI guess my Bronx, NYC public school edumacation failed me once again. This time it's in the comprehension reading department...all this time I thought it was my spelling...who knew.
Now I am a Whiskey drinker and Jameson and I read the 12th this way.....Each state has a certain amount of Electoral College Votes (ECV) for the President of the United States. Each state certifies their ECV votes and send that count to congress. Congress adds up all the states ECV votes and bingo we have a duly elected President.
IMO...the fraud that did happen which is giving these marxist scumbags the weapons they need to justify this fraud....it happened in republican run states like the state I live in...Georgia. The state certifies their ECV and congress certifies the states count.
Anyway...back to our regular schedule program...the 12th Amendment...If I'm reading it wrong...where did I go wrong....anyone.....?
That NYC public education didn't include PS.87 did it?
I do not understand how you think quoting the 12th amendment, is useful in a case involving complete fraud?
Ignoring the law and committing fraud in an election, already ignores the constitution. It's a given. What exactly is your point?
If Chip Roy was just doing his constitutional duty certifying the election and that's his excuse, than he is avoiding the more complex reality AND duty.
Quote from: rp5x5 on May 19, 2021, 12:02:43 PMThat NYC public education didn't include PS.87 did it?
I do not understand how you think quoting the 12th amendment, is useful in a case involving complete fraud?
Ignoring the law and committing fraud in an election, already ignores the constitution. It's a given. What exactly is your point?
Nope... PS 45 than onto Theodore Roosevelt High School.
Quote from: Bronx on May 19, 2021, 01:16:21 PMNope... PS 45 than onto Theodore Roosevelt High School.
Well that explain it then :smile: