Quote from: topside on October 04, 2018, 08:24:08 PM
It would be a shame and sham if Murkowski and Collins voted against Kavanaugh.

I'm assuming that the Dim Lemmings will be held under threat to vote against - no Dims will vote for. I would guess that any Dim that votes with Kavanaugh will be blacklisted and run out of politics (or worse).

But if Murkowski and Collins vote against and all other Pubs vote with Kavanaugh, that puts the count at 49. If that happens, Kavanaugh would not get appointed, right? Because we need a tie ... 50 votes; then Pence pushes it over the top.

They'll support him, but I'm halfway expecting a couple of Dims in Red states to vote yes for Kav.

Quote from: Solar on October 04, 2018, 09:48:10 PM
They'll support him, but I'm halfway expecting a couple of Dims in Red states to vote yes for Kav.

Do they have any one that brave on the Dims side? 

Talk Self-Limiting Terms in Congress.

Quote from: walkstall on October 05, 2018, 03:00:11 AM
Do they have any one that brave on the Dims side? 

Talk Self-Limiting Terms in Congress.

I think when it comes down to it, survival instincts will kick in , over party demands.
I had to post this, it was too damn funny to pass up.

I still can't believe the Ms. Ford could fabricate the entire tale and hold up under oath, in front of the entire country. But there are no witnesses - even those she said were there don't support her story. How can that be, right?

The best explaination I have is aligned with Solar's brain washing idea; that she was seeded and prepared with hope that her testimony - even without witness support - could delay or even upend the confirmation.

For me, elephant in the room is how did it get done. Over what time. Who did it. And how can it be detected in the future. It feels like there would be evidence if you were looking for it under the brain washing hypothesis. Like detecting photos that have been photoshopped.

I would think that detecting such conditions might fall in line with advancing polygraph indicators. And that those such investigative tools are probably undergoing an upgrade with the recent advent of machine learning which is very good at detecting patterns and anomalies.

Quote from: Solar on October 04, 2018, 09:48:10 PM
They'll support him, but I'm halfway expecting a couple of Dims in Red states to vote yes for Kav.

Just said that to someone as well. Maybe Manchin for one.

Judiciary Committee Releases Executive Summary of Report on Kavanaugh
Leah Barkoukis

The Senate Judiciary Committee released an executive summary from the FBI's supplementary background investigation of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh on Thursday.

"At the Senate Judiciary Committee's request, the FBI opened a supplemental background investigation into Judge Kavanaugh. It's his seventh FBI background investigation in 25 years, going back to 1993. The request was for an investigation into current credible allegations against Judge Kavanaugh," reads the opening paragraph of the document compiled by Chairman Grassley's staff.

The document indicates that 11 people were contacted to interview, 10 of whom followed through. Eight of these individuals were related to Ford's allegations while two alleged eyewitnesses were from Deborah Ramirez's allegations. The individuals interviewed had potential firsthand knowledge of the allegations of sexual misconduct against Kavanaugh.

more here>>https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2018/10/05/judiciary-committee-releases-executive-summary-of-report-on-kavanaugh-n2525753

Quote from: topside on October 05, 2018, 06:27:46 AM
I still can't believe the Ms. Ford could fabricate the entire tale and hold up under oath, in front of the entire country. But there are no witnesses - even those she said were there don't support her story. How can that be, right?

The best explaination I have is aligned with Solar's brain washing idea; that she was seeded and prepared with hope that her testimony - even without witness support - could delay or even upend the confirmation.

For me, elephant in the room is how did it get done. Over what time. Who did it. And how can it be detected in the future. It feels like there would be evidence if you were looking for it under the brain washing hypothesis. Like detecting photos that have been photoshopped.

I would think that detecting such conditions might fall in line with advancing polygraph indicators. And that those such investigative tools are probably undergoing an upgrade with the recent advent of machine learning which is very good at detecting patterns and anomalies.

I wish I had saved it, but I read where she had several pretests, and the final one only asked two questions.
This whole thing was fabricated from the start.

She said that she cried through the whole thing. I am not expert on a polygraph but there is no way that it could detect changes when a person is sobbing.  I believe that she believes her story.  However,  memory gets distorted and it is not uncommon for a memory to be altered by the suggestion of others.  Repeat a story often enough and soon your brain can picture it clear as can be.  Secondly, she does seem to have some kind of issue going on so it is possible that it is created totally in her mind.  Back in my college days I met an old friend that I had dated occasionally who had changed so drastically that as we watched a movie she was saying all kinds of things mostly that I would not want to see her again.  I got her home as soon as I could.  The next day I was met at the door by my sister who said that girl called and said I raped her. That I put drugs in her cigarettes and she woke up at home naked.  He supposed State Police boyfriend was going to come an arrest me.  I laughed at the story as I did not even kiss her or even give her a hug good by.   It could be a story where she was trying to scare me, but a few years later I was dating someone else who happens to be in a class with this earlier girl.  The girl warned her about me and told the story about how I raped her.  I guess that girl figured out it was BS because the night before a snow storm forced her to stay at my dorm, so we slept on the same bed and I never did more than kiss her good night.  Yes we were dating but not physical.   

Lastly the things that stand out in her mind are beyond belief.  a 13 year old girl thinks she may be killed by a hand over her mouth.  You can perfectly survive breathing through your nose. I think that either you believe you are about to be killed or you do not.  You do not think that someone might inadvertently kill you by holding their hand over your mouth. 

My point is that some much of that story just does not make sense but it is the story that she has created in her head. Oh what excited guy would wrestle with his friend when they are trying to get with a girl. Did she listen to them talking or just imagine that they were talking.  She is either a bit off or has a memory that is not accurate and to imply that bringing back a supposed repressed memory will bring it back in absolute detail is I am sure not how it works. 

Quote from: raptor5618 on October 05, 2018, 11:55:02 AM
My point is that some much of that story just does not make sense but it is the story that she has created in her head. Oh what excited guy would wrestle with his friend when they are trying to get with a girl. Did she listen to them talking or just imagine that they were talking.  She is either a bit off or has a memory that is not accurate and to imply that bringing back a supposed repressed memory will bring it back in absolute detail is I am sure not how it works. 

Amen to that Lie to yourself enough you will start to believe it.

Collins and Manchin have both declared as "yeas" for Cavanaugh. Barring Flake doing a "Flake" it looks like confirmation.

Quote from: Abe on October 05, 2018, 06:56:12 AM
Just said that to someone as well. Maybe Manchin for one.

You called it!

Quote from: Solar on October 05, 2018, 03:24:48 PM
You called it!

Quote from: mrclose on October 05, 2018, 01:22:23 PM

Say hello to Justice Kavanaugh!

It ain't over til its over!

As I watched this circus unfold this week a question came to me. Has GOPe seen the light? One has to acknowledge that McConnell, Grassly, Graham and Collins are solid core GOPe. I must say I have been pleasantly surprised at their performance this week. One wonders if they have figured out working with democrats is a hopeless and losing situation and/or it is time to get on the Trump train.

 

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