Quote from: Darth Fife on December 06, 2012, 10:57:28 AM
That post was written specifically for you. It is my version of your "One Drop Rule" horseshit!

Here is a thought. You stop making racist generalizations and I'll stop too.

It's not "horseshit". As I - and indeed another poster pointed out - it used to be quite common and the was the actual law of the land. Hard to have a set of Jim Crow laws with out being legally exact on who the "colored" folks and the "white" folks are. However, if you want real graduations of exactness on racial matters, check the old Apartheid Laws of South Africa. Just because you're dumber than dirt about the history of our country, don't assume that everyone else is! Oh and BTW, as I noted, many old ideas have become so internalized that everyone assumes them without thinking about their origin.

Quote from: mdgiles on December 06, 2012, 10:04:22 AM
Uh BULLSHIT, you're doing the same goddam thing Costas is doing - blaming a group for the behavior of an individual. So the phuck what, if football players, or MMA fighters, or Boxers make a living knocking other human beings down, the majority of them aren't murdering their girlfriends. That's the point! Not that he was blaming the wrong group, or being hypocritical about blaming a group. He should never have been blaming anyone except the murderer himself. IT'S THAT HE WAS BLAMING AN INANIMATE OBJECT AND OWNERS OF THIS INANIMATE OBJECT FOR THE BEHAVIOR OF ONE WARPED INDIVIDUAL. Way too many people who call themselves conservative, have exactly the same mindset as the Leftoids. It's all about groups never individuals. The only difference is that they want to lay blame on different groups.

Listen to yourself, you really don't know what you are saying.

Boxers, football players, Hockey players, Judoka,MMA cage fighters are
Individuals who are responsible for their behavior... Yes they belong to a specific group, a group of people who are OFTEN ROLE MODELS. SO THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ENHANCED...whats so hard for you to understand?

Individuals with a magnified role in our society responsible for their behavior is a concept so center to the core of CONSERVATIVE principals it probably should be written in stone tablets and placed in front of every court house inthe Land.

You can apply that to COPS, Firemen, POLITICANS, Priests and TEACHERS, Besides professional athletes.

Inantimate objects Guns, knives,baseball bats, cars, toilet tank covers (yes I investigated a homicde once where this was the murder weapon) have a dual purpose....how the individual uses that object determines if he is a responsible individual or not.

Billy

Quote from: BILLY Defiant on December 06, 2012, 02:33:36 PM
Listen to yourself, you really don't know what you are saying.

Boxers, football players, Hockey players, Judoka,MMA cage fighters are
Individuals who are responsible for their behavior... Yes they belong to a specific group, a group of people who are OFTEN ROLE MODELS. SO THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ENHANCED...whats so hard for you to understand?

Individuals with a magnified role in our society responsible for their behavior is a concept so center to the core of CONSERVATIVE principals it probably should be written in stone tablets and placed in front of every court house inthe Land.

You can apply that to COPS, Firemen, POLITICANS, Priests and TEACHERS, Besides professional athletes.

Inantimate objects Guns, knives,baseball bats, cars, toilet tank covers (yes I investigated a homicde once where this was the murder weapon) have a dual purpose....how the individual uses that object determines if he is a responsible individual or not.

Billy

Costas used the death of that woman as an anti gun spiel. Some how the gun caused whatever his name is to shot his girlfriend about nine times. THAT and the fact that he had to deliver his spiel in the middle of a football game - when most of the public was expecting nothing more than an update on the scores. Then you entered the conversation and took it sideways into how some groups of people are prone to violence. INDIVIDUALS commit acts of violence. "COPS, Firemen, POLITICIANS, Priests and TEACHERS, ....professional athletes" don't commit violence, individuals who are sometimes employed as "COPS, Firemen, POLITICIANS, Priests and TEACHERS, .....professional athletes" commit violence. There is a major difference between those two statements, though I doubt that you'll see it.

Quote from: jksr1 on December 06, 2012, 10:46:59 AM
from their political leader like Jesse Jackson...Whats been done to him, you need to leave him out of it........

Meant, When he was a young man fighting for his rights. He has seen alot and has done alot of good.. Just saying.

Quote from: jksr1 on December 07, 2012, 03:40:12 AM
Meant, When he was a young man fighting for his rights. He has seen alot and has done alot of good.. Just saying.

If you think lying and pulling off shakedowns is considered admirable, then yeah, to a lib, he has done well...

Quote from: jksr1 on December 07, 2012, 03:40:12 AM
Meant, When he was a young man fighting for his rights. He has seen alot and has done alot of good.. Just saying.

Question still stands. What political position has Jesse Jackson Sr. ever held? Just because the media constantly puts someones face on the 6:00 News, doesn't make them a "political leader". By that reasoning, any of these entertainment types constantly polluting the air waves, are "political leaders".

Quote from: mdgiles on December 06, 2012, 04:14:46 PM
Costas used the death of that woman as an anti gun spiel. Some how the gun caused whatever his name is to shot his girlfriend about nine times. THAT and the fact that he had to deliver his spiel in the middle of a football game - when most of the public was expecting nothing more than an update on the scores. Then you entered the conversation and took it sideways into how some groups of people are prone to violence. INDIVIDUALS commit acts of violence. "COPS, Firemen, POLITICIANS, Priests and TEACHERS, ....professional athletes" don't commit violence, individuals who are sometimes employed as "COPS, Firemen, POLITICIANS, Priests and TEACHERS, .....professional athletes" commit violence. There is a major difference between those two statements, though I doubt that you'll see it.

You really are starting to babble and contradict yourself, missing the valid points altogether I see.

Billy

Quote from: mdgiles on December 07, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
Question still stands. What political position has Jesse Jackson Sr. ever held? Just because the media constantly puts someones face on the 6:00 News, doesn't make them a "political leader". By that reasoning, any of these entertainment types constantly polluting the air waves, are "political leaders".

Ah! Now I see your problem! You are naive enough to think that Jesse Jackson Sr is something other than a self promoting, greedy narcissist who uses race baiting tactics to shake down innocent corporations and individuals solely to enrich himself!

If he hadn't been standing next to Dr King when he got shot, nobody would even know who Jackson is today!

Jackson is the race baiter's race baiter. 

I suggest you read "Shakedown" by Kenneth R. Timmerman if you want to find out who the real Jesse Jackson is!

BTW MD, I used to think of Jesse Jackson pretty much the same way you apparently do. It was really traumatic for me to find out the truth about him. He used to be one of my heroes.

Now, he is just another cheap hustler!

Well Jesse jackson does refer to himself as Washington DC "Shadow" Senator.

Whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.

Billy

Quote from: Darth Fife on December 07, 2012, 04:01:31 PM
Ah! Now I see your problem! You are naive enough to think that Jesse Jackson Sr is something other than a self promoting, greedy narcissist who uses race baiting tactics to shake down innocent corporations and individuals solely to enrich himself!

If he hadn't been standing next to Dr King when he got shot, nobody would even know who Jackson is today!

Jackson is the race baiter's race baiter. 

I suggest you read "Shakedown" by Kenneth R. Timmerman if you want to find out who the real Jesse Jackson is!

BTW MD, I used to think of Jesse Jackson pretty much the same way you apparently do. It was really traumatic for me to find out the truth about him. He used to be one of my heroes.

Now, he is just another cheap hustler!

Actually he was on the floor below King, and his claim is he was the last to talk to King.
However, witnesses called that an outright lie...

Quote from: Darth Fife on December 07, 2012, 04:01:31 PM
Ah! Now I see your problem! You are naive enough to think that Jesse Jackson Sr is something other than a self promoting, greedy narcissist who uses race baiting tactics to shake down innocent corporations and individuals solely to enrich himself!

If he hadn't been standing next to Dr King when he got shot, nobody would even know who Jackson is today!

Jackson is the race baiter's race baiter. 

I suggest you read "Shakedown" by Kenneth R. Timmerman if you want to find out who the real Jesse Jackson is!

BTW MD, I used to think of Jesse Jackson pretty much the same way you apparently do. It was really traumatic for me to find out the truth about him. He used to be one of my heroes.

Now, he is just another cheap hustler!

I'm not the one that promoted Jackson to the position of political leader. I realize this is difficult for some people to understand, but I'm sort of tired of having anything Jackson says automatically taken as a belief held by all blacks. You know, as opposed to just his individual positions. Make you a deal - if you stop assuming that anything Jackson or Sharpton says represents all blacks, then I won't assume that the American Nazi Party, or Aryan Nations , or the Ku Klux Klan represents all whites.

You see the problem is all yours. When I challenged you to name any political position Jackson had ever held, you leaped to the conclusion that I was defending him. In reality I was asking you to support your characterizing him as a "political leader".

Quote from: mdgiles on December 08, 2012, 10:40:52 AM
I'm not the one that promoted Jackson to the position of political leader. I realize this is difficult for some people to understand, but I'm sort of tired of having anything Jackson says automatically taken as a belief held by all blacks. You know, as opposed to just his individual positions. Make you a deal - if you stop assuming that anything Jackson or Sharpton says represents all blacks, then I won't assume that the American Nazi Party, or Aryan Nations , or the Ku Klux Klan represents all whites.

You see the problem is all yours. When I challenged you to name any political position Jackson had ever held, you leaped to the conclusion that I was defending him. In reality I was asking you to support your characterizing him as a "political leader".

You are dealing in semantics!

Is not Jesse Jackson a well know and respected leader in the Black Community?

Is Jesse Jackson extremely influential in the Black Community?

Is Jesse Jackson not an extreme Left Wing Ideologue?

Did Jesse Jackson not run for president?

Are you trying to tell me that Jesse Jackson is a Tea Party Republican or what?

Quote from: Darth Fife on December 08, 2012, 07:28:16 PM
You are dealing in semantics!

Is not Jesse Jackson a well know and respected leader in the Black Community?

Is Jesse Jackson extremely influential in the Black Community?

Is Jesse Jackson not an extreme Left Wing Ideologue?

Did Jesse Jackson not run for president?

Are you trying to tell me that Jesse Jackson is a Tea Party Republican or what?

I'll ask you again. See if you can bend those few working brain cells around the question. WHAT POLITICAL POSITION HAS JACKSON EVER HELD? I don't consider having your face constantly slapped on a TV screen a political position. I don't consider the Left wing media treating every statement he makes as revealed truth, a political position. As I said, you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that pointing out your mischaracterization of Jackson says nothing in the defense of Jackson. Oh yeah, and didn't David Dukes and George Wallace run for President? Not to mention that they actually held political positions. Jackson and Sharpton aren't "political leaders" simply because a whole bunch of left wing, white guys - and more than a few right wing white guys - want them to be seen as leaders. 

EDIT: BTW, in reality there is no such animal as "the Black community", just as there is no such animal as "the White community". I have enough intelligence to realize that assuming all whites think, act, and see the world with the same viewpoint; is insulting at best - mindless bigotry at worse. I'm into my seventh decade, and I note that far too many whites seem to be unable to display the same intelligence relative to blacks.

Will you accept Jesse Jackson Sr's own words on the subject?

"My religion obligates me to be political, to seek to do God's will and allow the spiritual word to become concrete justice and dwell among us. Religion should use you politically to do public service. Politics should not misuse religion. When the Word becomes flesh and dwells among us, that's called good religion."

-Jesse Jackson Sr, Search for Common Ground by Charles Henry, Pg 37

"Reagan curbed inflation by cutting consumer demand. He used the Federal budget to deliberately induce unemployment and curb social spending."

-Jesse Jackson, Sr Address to the Democrat National Convention, July 17, 1984

Right now, America lacks a clear direction for energy policy. Our current path favors big oil and coal interests, which don't offer the potential job growth of a clean energy economy. Offshore drilling provides a few thousand jobs nationwide, but, as the BP oil spill recently demonstrated, can jeopardize millions of other jobs in other industries such as fishing and tourism. The status quo, quite simply, is not working: We need the Senate to pass a strong climate bill that will boost investment in these sectors and provide broad job opportunities in renewable energy.

-Jesse Jackson Sr, Aug 24, 2010

Jesse Jackson, speaking before a World Policy Forum in France, suggested that an Obama presidency would put an end to excessive "Zionist" influence in American foreign policy. In a subsequent "clarification," Jackson repudiated the column and confirmed that he "has never had a conversation with Sen. Obama about Israel or the Middle East."

In other words, he got called on the carpet for his political position and had to retract it! 

"You must never forget that about the time we began to take over the cities, Nixon shifted the power to the suburbs. "Now Reagan has shifted it to the states. So you have mayors who have more and more responsibility and less and less power. We got more and more votes and fewer and fewer services. We cannot stop. We got to rise on higher."

Jesse Jackson Sr, 1984

Lest I waste too much of our hosts bandwidth, spoonfeeding you information you are afraid to look for yourself, here is a link to all of JESSE JACKSON SRs POLITICAL STATEMENTS and POLITICAL POSITION on the ISSUES!

http://www.ontheissues.org/Rev__Jesse_Jackson.htm

Quote from: mdgiles on December 09, 2012, 08:43:38 AM

EDIT: BTW, in reality there is no such animal as "the Black community", just as there is no such animal as "the White community".

Tell that to CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX/MSNBC, et al - and the Democrat and Republican parties at large.