Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting

Started by Mimsy, April 12, 2021, 12:16:53 PM

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BayouCountry

Quote from: ldub23 on April 15, 2021, 06:44:33 AM
Yes, i know there  is alot  of  crime and people want to be safe but im looking to the day when the  cops will be the gestapo, so i want  less  policing.

What statistics point you to such an extreme assumption?  Seems like you are reaching your conclusions on feelings over logic based on high profile incidents in the news with no regard that the suspects were resisting arrest.

There is only a couple cases I can think of where the officers shot someone not resisting.  A couple out of how many stops per day?  Per year?  If you are looking for perfect policing then you are living in the land of Oz.

supsalemgr

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 09:32:13 AM
I didn't even see your response.  If you're talking about the "execution" post, then I'll gladly admit that "execution" was hyperbole.  And, no, I definitely don't believe that the officer's actions were intentional.  I think she made a horrible mistake.  I also don't believe that race was a factor.

As far as your question about what was the appropriate actions by the officer...

Watching the video, I didn't see any threat on the life of the officer that would have warranted shooting him, if the shooting was done intentionally, which we agree it wasn't.   The issue is that we have been convinced that simply disobeying a police order somehow automatically becomes a threat on the officer's life.  I think that's wrong and will continue to be an area of contention between citizens and law enforcement, especially given how visible these incidents are due to portable video devices.

So what actions should law enforcement take when a person resists arrest?
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RV

Quote from: BayouCountry on April 15, 2021, 09:41:44 AM
What statistics point you to such an extreme assumption?  Seems like you are reaching your conclusions on feelings over logic based on high profile incidents in the news with no regard that the suspects were resisting arrest.

There is only a couple cases I can think of where the officers shot someone not resisting.  A couple out of how many stops per day?  Per year?  If you are looking for perfect policing then you are living in the land of Oz.

There are statistics and numbers which completely refute the hysterics and rhetoric of the left however, that does not support the "defund law enforcement", "open borders", tax & spend and "sky is falling" Democrats. It is interesting that the same people who can afford million dollar mansions, vacation homes, high walls and private armed security guards want to take law enforcement away from those who cannot afford what they can. It is these same morons who talk about population control... Could there be a connection?
RV

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p1tchblack

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 15, 2021, 10:16:17 AM
So what actions should law enforcement take when a person resists arrest?

The action of tasing him, especially if the car was on and in gear, is risky.  If the car wasn't running, tasing is the correct action.  If he still manages to get free of police and drive away - let him.  Call for back up, track him down,  stop him and arrest him.  Shooting and killing him is not a correct action.
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walkstall

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 10:42:46 AM
The action of tasing him, especially if the car was on and in gear, is risky.  If the car wasn't running, tasing is the correct action.  If he still manages to get free of police and drive away - let him.  Call for back up, track him down,  stop him and arrest him. Shooting and killing him is not a correct action.

And just how many people could he kill before you track him down, and you get back up.  And once you get back up if he had more time to get bigger guns,  how many police could he kill?
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Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

p1tchblack

Quote from: walkstall on April 15, 2021, 10:58:33 AM
And just how many people could he kill before you track him down, and you get back up.  And once you get back up if he had more time to get bigger guns,  how many police could he kill?

It's very rare for police pursuits to result in the death of innocent people, so the odds are slim.  It doesn't seem very moral to simply kill anyone that tries to flee from police.
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Sick Of Silence

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 11:25:23 AM
It's very rare for police pursuits to result in the death of innocent people, so the odds are slim.  It doesn't seem very moral to simply kill anyone that tries to flee from police.

Is it moral for the criminal to commit the crime against someone in the first  place? Will you codemn the perpetrator for committing the crime?

Why are defending criminals?
With all these lawyers with cameras on the street i'm shocked we have so much crime in the world.

There is constitutional law and there is law and order. This challenge to law and order is always the start to loosing our constitutional rights.

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Possum

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 11:25:23 AM
It's very rare for police pursuits to result in the death of innocent people, so the odds are slim. It doesn't seem very moral to simply kill anyone that tries to flee from police.
They were trying to taser him.

supsalemgr

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 10:42:46 AM
The action of tasing him, especially if the car was on and in gear, is risky.  If the car wasn't running, tasing is the correct action.  If he still manages to get free of police and drive away - let him.  Call for back up, track him down,  stop him and arrest him.  Shooting and killing him is not a correct action.

Thank you. After 5 pages of posts you have gotten to the point of what happened.

You have acknowledged the officer did not intend to shoot the young man and that he should have been tasered. That is exactly what the officer intended to do.
"If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch!"

walkstall

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 11:25:23 AM
It's very rare for police pursuits to result in the death of innocent people, so the odds are slim.  It doesn't seem very moral to simply kill anyone that tries to flee from police.



It's very rare police kill innocent people also.  BUT SHIT HAPPEN!  Hell black kill blacks often deliberately. but in Dem run cities that ok.  Only if a police kill a black person then all hell will broke Loose.
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Mimsy

Something we should not gloss over like the MSM, is that Daunte's warrant was for a felony weapons charge. The police should have all had their weapons drawn imo and not have treated this like he blew through a stoplight. I doubt if the prick would have dove into his car if he had a gun to his head.

p1tchblack

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on April 15, 2021, 11:39:25 AM
Is it moral for the criminal to commit the crime against someone in the first  place? Will you codemn the perpetrator for committing the crime?

Why are defending criminals?

I'm not defending criminals.  I don't condone running from police, assaulting police or not obeying orders, but to say that doing any of those things automatically gives the government the right to kill you is not ok.
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Possum

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 12:37:12 PM
I'm not defending criminals.  I don't condone running from police, assaulting police or not obeying orders, but to say that doing any of those things automatically gives the government the right to kill you is not ok.
He was not killed for running from the police. The policeman was trying to taser him. Had he obeyed the police, he would still be alive and probably out on bail.

p1tchblack

Quote from: Possum on April 15, 2021, 12:40:26 PM
He was not killed for running from the police. The policeman was trying to taser him. Had he obeyed the police, he would still be alive and probably out on bail.

I know it wasn't intentional, but there are a lot of people who would see shooting him as ok for trying to run or because getting into the car supposedly posed a threat to the officer's life.
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ldub23

Quote from: BayouCountry on April 15, 2021, 09:41:44 AM
What statistics point you to such an extreme assumption?  Seems like you are reaching your conclusions on feelings over logic based on high profile incidents in the news with no regard that the suspects were resisting arrest.

There is only a couple cases I can think of where the officers shot someone not resisting.  A couple out of how many stops per day?  Per year?  If you are looking for perfect policing then you are living in the land of Oz.

It doesnt take  long for the  left to corrupt an organization. They did  it fast with the CIA and FBI and quite frankly i would disband them now. Im not  basing anything  on high profile  incidents. The left  infiltrates and corrupts everything and the day is  coming when the  cops ARE gestapo.