Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting

Started by Mimsy, April 12, 2021, 12:16:53 PM

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Democrats don't need to turn police into storm troopers, they have antifa and blm for that.

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Quote from: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 05:25:24 PM
Of  course, but all police forces get alot  of  bucks from DC and the  justice dept can use  alot  of  coercion on any police force. As we already see dems  dont shrink from using  power and  coercion.
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Quote from: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 03:38:05 PM
I think the most  likely  outcome of this will be  police will be ignoring  more  crimes. If  i were a  cop i wouldnt  bother anyone. Just keep driving around. I dont think the cop should  be  blamed here but  i also think we  need less  policing  in general.

Tell that to the people who live in New Orleans and see what response you get.

I do agree that, in most cases, police shouldn't be charged when a suspect is clearly resisting arrest.

One thing I haven't seen in all these discussions is what can be done to prevent this from happening again.  Why not issue stun guns that don't feel anything like a pistol?  I can actually picture myself making the same mistake under duress. 

I'm not a cop, but I was trained by a retired officer/DA.  He had plenty of stories to tell about how fellow officers were injured by supposedly unassuming suspects.

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Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 11:56:07 AM
I don't disagree that he had a warrant and probably wasn't a good person, but do you agree that death is not an acceptable punishment for trying to run from police?

How do you "know" that his intention was to run? How do you "know" that he wouldn't have ran over the officer if he had the chance? All sorts of things can be envisioned and imagined but, the fact remains that he disobeyed lawful orders from a uniformed law enforcement officer. You can made all sorts of guesses and assumptions that could be true, may be true or could be completely wrong. The facts and truth are what matters.
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Quote from: BayouCountry on April 14, 2021, 11:19:06 PM
Tell that to the people who live in New Orleans and see what response you get.

I do agree that, in most cases, police shouldn't be charged when a suspect is clearly resisting arrest.

One thing I haven't seen in all these discussions is what can be done to prevent this from happening again.  Why not issue stun guns that don't feel anything like a pistol?  I can actually picture myself making the same mistake under duress. 

I'm not a cop, but I was trained by a retired officer/DA.  He had plenty of stories to tell about how fellow officers were injured by supposedly unassuming suspects.

Yes, i know there  is alot  of  crime and people want to be safe but im looking to the day when the  cops will be the gestapo, so i want  less  policing.

Possum

Quote from: ldub23 on April 15, 2021, 06:44:33 AM
Yes, i know there  is alot  of  crime and people want to be safe but im looking to the day when the  cops will be the gestapo, so i want  less  policing.
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Quote from: Possum on April 15, 2021, 07:01:23 AM
Are you in favor of de funding? Do you think the democrats will always be in power?

Once they take over a  law enforcement group it doesnt  matter  if they are "in power" The CIA and FBI were actively working to topple a  duly elected president when republicans were "in power". Oh, and i also think they are going to totally  co-opt the  military. The pentagon is already a democrat organization. And yes, like any govt agency the  police  have become too powerful and overfunded. I would defund them but  for  different  motives than democrats.

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Quote from: RV on April 15, 2021, 05:31:10 AM
How do you "know" that his intention was to run? How do you "know" that he wouldn't have ran over the officer if he had the chance? All sorts of things can be envisioned and imagined but, the fact remains that he disobeyed lawful orders from a uniformed law enforcement officer. You can made all sorts of guesses and assumptions that could be true, may be true or could be completely wrong. The facts and truth are what matters.

I can come up with all kinds of scenarios to use as justification for killing people, but if there is an actual threat, it should be an actual threat regardless of the profession of the person in the situation. All life has value and we all have the right to defend ourselves from a threat in our lives.

Yes, his disobeyed an order from a police officer and should be punished  as determined by the courts.  Disobeying a command from an officer isn't punishable by death, unless you do something to threaten the life of the officer while disobeying.
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Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 07:38:19 AM
I can come up with all kinds of scenarios to use as justification for killing people, but if there is an actual threat, it should be an actual threat regardless of the profession of the person in the situation. All life has value and we all have the right to defend ourselves from a threat in our lives.

Yes, his disobeyed an order from a police officer and should be punished  as determined by the courts.  Disobeying a command from an officer isn't punishable by death, unless you do something to threaten the life of the officer while disobeying.

All life  has value? Thats a rather racist thing to say. Didnt you  mean black lives  have value?

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Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 07:38:19 AM
I can come up with all kinds of scenarios to use as justification for killing people, but if there is an actual threat, it should be an actual threat regardless of the profession of the person in the situation. All life has value and we all have the right to defend ourselves from a threat in our lives.

Yes, his disobeyed an order from a police officer and should be punished  as determined by the courts.  Disobeying a command from an officer isn't punishable by death, unless you do something to threaten the life of the officer while disobeying.
Countless police offices have been killed in the line of duty by criminals who disobeyed orders from the police officer who is doing their job in trying to arrest them. Should they not learn from experiences?

RV

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 07:38:19 AM
I can come up with all kinds of scenarios to use as justification for killing people, but if there is an actual threat, it should be an actual threat regardless of the profession of the person in the situation. All life has value and we all have the right to defend ourselves from a threat in our lives.

Yes, his disobeyed an order from a police officer and should be punished  as determined by the courts.  Disobeying a command from an officer isn't punishable by death, unless you do something to threaten the life of the officer while disobeying.

As I said before and will continue to say. If the officer was killed then people like you would blame the officer rather than the perp. As it is, the perp was killed so AGAIN, the officer is at fault as far as you are concerned. "Less policing"? Thats wonderful as long as you aren't the one suffering from a theft, home invasion, rape, assault or murder. Like all Democrats, you want "less policing" as long as that "less policing" allows you to break the law with impunity but, when that "less policing" means that you are "less safe" THEN the rhetoric changes.
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p1tchblack

Quote from: RV on April 15, 2021, 08:00:46 AM
As I said before and will continue to say. If the officer was killed then people like you would blame the officer rather than the perp. As it is, the perp was killed so AGAIN, the officer is at fault as far as you are concerned. "Less policing"? Thats wonderful as long as you aren't the one suffering from a theft, home invasion, rape, assault or murder. Like all Democrats, you want "less policing" as long as that "less policing" allows you to break the law with impunity but, when that "less policing" means that you are "less safe" THEN the rhetoric changes.

If the police officer was killed, I would blame the killer.  Since the suspect is dead, I blame the officer.

I don't want less policing, I want good policing and good policing means that we, as a society, have a consistent, objective standard for what is a threat on someone's life.  A legitimate threat on a life would be a legitimate threat on a life regardless of the profession of the people involved.
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Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 08:27:04 AM
If the police officer was killed, I would blame the killer.  Since the suspect is dead, I blame the officer.

I don't want less policing, I want good policing and good policing means that we, as a society, have a consistent, objective standard for what is a threat on someone's life.  A legitimate threat on a life would be a legitimate threat on a life regardless of the profession of the people involved.

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Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 07:38:19 AM
I can come up with all kinds of scenarios to use as justification for killing people, but if there is an actual threat, it should be an actual threat regardless of the profession of the person in the situation. All life has value and we all have the right to defend ourselves from a threat in our lives.

Yes, his disobeyed an order from a police officer and should be punished  as determined by the courts.  Disobeying a command from an officer isn't punishable by death, unless you do something to threaten the life of the officer while disobeying.

I have noticed you do not respond to my posts to your posts. That leads me to believe you are just anther hit and run poster we are very familiar with here.

Are you suggesting the officer's actions were on purpose? If so, why do you believe that?
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Quote from: supsalemgr on April 15, 2021, 09:21:50 AM


I have noticed you do not respond to my posts to your posts. That leads me to believe you are just anther hit and run poster we are very familiar with here.

Are you suggesting the officer's actions were on purpose? If so, why do you believe that?

I didn't even see your response.  If you're talking about the "execution" post, then I'll gladly admit that "execution" was hyperbole.  And, no, I definitely don't believe that the officer's actions were intentional.  I think she made a horrible mistake.  I also don't believe that race was a factor.

As far as your question about what was the appropriate actions by the officer...

Watching the video, I didn't see any threat on the life of the officer that would have warranted shooting him, if the shooting was done intentionally, which we agree it wasn't.   The issue is that we have been convinced that simply disobeying a police order somehow automatically becomes a threat on the officer's life.  I think that's wrong and will continue to be an area of contention between citizens and law enforcement, especially given how visible these incidents are due to portable video devices.
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