Quote from: Solar on April 14, 2021, 12:38:14 PM
They didn't know he was trying to flee, he could have been looking for a weapon!
What part of obeying police commands, do you not understand?

Let's look at this a different way.  Let's say that the suspect had just stolen a watch from a store and a good Samaritan, who happened to see it, follows the suspect to his car and tries to stop him from getting into his car and leaving.  But, the suspect gets loose and gets into his car to try to leave.  Would you be ok with the good Samaritan shooting and killing the suspect because he might be going for a weapon to shoot the good Samaritan?

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 12:53:46 PM
Let's look at this a different way.  Let's say that the suspect had just stolen a watch from a store and a good Samaritan, who happened to see it, follows the suspect to his car and tries to stop him from getting into his car and leaving.  But, the suspect gets loose and gets into his car to try to leave.  Would you be ok with the good Samaritan shooting and killing the suspect because he might be going for a weapon to shoot the good Samaritan?

Moving the goal post will not make your point right. Get over it, you are excusing criminal behavior, that is not what makes society function.
Bad behavior comes with bad consequences, don't do evil, evil will not come to you.

Ever heard the expression, "Can't do the time? Don't do the crime"?

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 12:53:46 PM
Let's look at this a different way.  Let's say that the suspect had just stolen a watch from a store and a good Samaritan, who happened to see it, follows the suspect to his car and tries to stop him from getting into his car and leaving.  But, the suspect gets loose and gets into his car to try to leave.  Would you be ok with the good Samaritan shooting and killing the suspect because he might be going for a weapon to shoot the good Samaritan?

First off, IT WASN'T A "GOOD SAMARITAN", it was a Police officer. Secondly, the perpetrator failed to follow the officer's lawful commands. Third, the officer had no way of knowing what the perpetrator was going to do. Obviously you have no law enforcement experience because you aren't dealing with the actual facts of the case but, are trying to present a whole different set of circumstances to justify your ridiculous argument. I might add that the officer had no way of knowing whether the perpetrator was going to try to run them over so use of lethal force would be justified. An automobile IS a lethal weapon.

Quote from: Solar on April 14, 2021, 01:11:52 PM
Moving the goal post will not make your point right. Get over it, you are excusing criminal behavior, that is not what makes society function.
Bad behavior comes with bad consequences, don't do evil, evil will not come to you.

Ever heard the expression, "Can't do the time? Don't do the crime"?

I am in no way excusing criminal behavior.  I think the suspect, whenever he was apprehended, should have been put into the justice system and punished for all of his wrongdoings, including fleeing.

You haven't convinced me that death in an appropriate/moral punishment for fleeing.

Quote from: RV on April 14, 2021, 01:17:29 PM
First off, IT WASN'T A "GOOD SAMARITAN", it was a Police officer. Secondly, the perpetrator failed to follow the officer's lawful commands. Third, the officer had no way of knowing what the perpetrator was going to do. Obviously you have no law enforcement experience because you aren't dealing with the actual facts of the case but, are trying to present a whole different set of circumstances to justify your ridiculous argument. I might add that the officer had no way of knowing whether the perpetrator was going to try to run them over so use of lethal force would be justified. An automobile IS a lethal weapon.

If a police officer, in that situation, doesn't know what the suspect was doing in the car, how would a Good Samaritan or literally any other citizen engaged with the suspect.  A threat on the life of a police officer should be a  threat on people in all other professions, should it not?

For example, let's say there was a gun tucked next to the seat and visible to the good Samaritan. Would you agree that the gun constitutes a threat to the good Samaritan and a police officer?

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 01:24:55 PM
I am in no way excusing criminal behavior.  I think the suspect, whenever he was apprehended, should have been put into the justice system and punished for all of his wrongdoings, including fleeing.

You haven't convinced me that death in an appropriate/moral punishment for fleeing.

What part of accident do you not get?

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 01:28:35 PM
If a police officer, in that situation, doesn't know what the suspect was doing in the car, how would a Good Samaritan or literally any other citizen engaged with the suspect.  A threat on the life of a police officer should be a  threat on people in all other professions, should it not?

For example, let's say there was a gun tucked next to the seat and visible to the good Samaritan. Would you agree that the gun constitutes a threat to the good Samaritan and a police officer?

This thread is about an actual case, not one you are making up. Start another thread if you want to play make believe.

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 01:28:35 PM
If a police officer, in that situation, doesn't know what the suspect was doing in the car, how would a Good Samaritan or literally any other citizen engaged with the suspect.  A threat on the life of a police officer should be a  threat on people in all other professions, should it not?

For example, let's say there was a gun tucked next to the seat and visible to the good Samaritan. Would you agree that the gun constitutes a threat to the good Samaritan and a police officer?

Will you stop with the hypotheticals which have no merit or bearing in this matter, you are talking yourself in circles "good samaritan"...seriously?

You've been conditioned by the media and other anti Police and anti Gun entities that is obvious about a gun being a threat...GUNS ARE NOT THREATS, PEOPLE ARE THREATS....a gun tucked into a seat is not a threat until some one reaches for it or places it in their hand and brings the weapon into battery against whomever.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 14, 2021, 02:58:13 PM
Will you stop with the hypotheticals which have no merit or bearing in this matter, you are talking yourself in circles "good samaritan"...seriously?

I've learned the discussion is over, the moment a real life/death incident discussion turns to hypothetical illusions... a complete waste of time from then on. 

I think the most  likely  outcome of this will be  police will be ignoring  more  crimes. If  i were a  cop i wouldnt  bother anyone. Just keep driving around. I dont think the cop should  be  blamed here but  i also think we  need less  policing  in general.

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 01:24:55 PM
I am in no way excusing criminal behavior.  I think the suspect, whenever he was apprehended, should have been put into the justice system and punished for all of his wrongdoings, including fleeing.

You haven't convinced me that death in an appropriate/moral punishment for fleeing.

No, you aren't "convinced"... If the perp had killed the officer this conversation would have went in a completely different direction. Then you could have claimed that you weren't "convinced" that the officer shouldn't have done something to protect him/herself. Either way, liberals will never be "convinced" that somehow, someway the officer was not at fault. After all a criminal would never have assaulted, ran over or murdered the officer, right?

Quote from: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 03:38:05 PM
I think the most  likely  outcome of this will be  police will be ignoring  more  crimes. If  i were a  cop i wouldnt  bother anyone. Just keep driving around. I dont think the cop should  be  blamed here but i also think we  need less  policing  in general.

I think we need less people committing crimes and living off society. We will not achieve that by having less police.

Quote from: Possum on April 14, 2021, 04:20:54 PM
I think we need less people committing crimes and living off society. We will not achieve that by having less police.

The problem is eventually the  police will be the  enforcement arm of  communism then you will wish we  had  no police. It was easy to turn the FBI and CIA into far left action groups  because they are run from DC. Police are  under thousands of  cities but  it will happen.

Quote from: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 04:29:25 PM
The problem is eventually the  police will be the  enforcement arm of  communism then you will wish we  had  no police. It was easy to turn the FBI and CIA into far left action groups  because they are run from DC. Police are  under thousands of  cities but  it will happen.

No, we won't! Most Conservatives don't live in liberal shitholes!

Quote from: Solar on April 14, 2021, 04:33:13 PM
No, we won't! Most Conservatives don't live in liberal shitholes!

Of  course, but all police forces get alot  of  bucks from DC and the  justice dept can use  alot  of  coercion on any police force. As we already see dems  dont shrink from using  power and  coercion.