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Title: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Mimsy on April 12, 2021, 05:16:53 AM
Time to loot, burn and destroy!  :sneaky:

https://alphanewsmn.com/brooklyn-center-police-chief-says-shooting-was-accidental-officer-meant-to-discharge-taser/
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: supsalemgr on April 12, 2021, 05:35:57 AM
I find it interesting the great majority of these "victims" have current or previous law enforcement encounters. Watching the video, all he had to do was peacefully participate with the process.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Mimsy on April 12, 2021, 05:49:42 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 12, 2021, 05:35:57 AM
I find it interesting the great majority of these "victims" have current or previous law enforcement encounters. Watching the video, all he had to do was peacefully participate with the process.

The "victim" was resisting due to the fact he has a warrant out for him. All he had to do is man up. But hey, now it's time to destroy some more businesses so we can get some free sneakers and shit! The MSM is reporting this as "peaceful protests" of course. :mad:
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Colin Norris on April 12, 2021, 12:29:45 PM
Quote from: Mimsy on April 12, 2021, 05:49:42 AM
The "victim" was resisting due to the fact he has a warrant out for him. All he had to do is man up. But hey, now it's time to destroy some more businesses so we can get some free sneakers and shit! The MSM is reporting this as "peaceful protests" of course. :mad:
The shoot first culture has now extended to the police. 

What's your view on the floyd incident?
Did he murder him?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: BayouCountry on April 12, 2021, 01:32:07 PM
Quote from: Colin Norris on April 12, 2021, 12:29:45 PM
Did he murder him?

Did you even take the time to read the story or watch the news before posting?  This is why many are on your ass.  The cop is a "she" who pulled her gun instead of her taser. 

The point is it never would have happened if the criminal followed police instructions.  This seems to be an ongoing theme.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Sick Of Silence on April 12, 2021, 04:09:55 PM
Quote from: BayouCountry on April 12, 2021, 01:32:07 PM
Did you even take the time to read the story or watch the news before posting?  This is why many are on your ass.  The cop is a "she" who pulled her gun instead of her taser. 

The point is it never would have happened if the criminal followed police instructions.  This seems to be an ongoing theme.

Hell, we can go before that.

DON'T COMMIT CRIMES!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJF-wVW1F2o
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: TD on April 12, 2021, 11:57:14 PM
the MN governor tweeted something like "another black man has died from law enforcement."

Think about this statement and what it says to the looters and the police.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Billy's bayonet on April 13, 2021, 12:32:14 AM
Im going to tell you what the problem is....well first its another criminal resisting arrest...but its also police proceedure. A lot of Depts foolishly mandate that the taser ---which often has a pistol grip and is worn in a holster is placed on the duty belt BEHIND the officers service firearm...this is a recipe for disaster, in the heat of battle an officer reaches for what they beleive is a taser but pulls the pistol instead....this is the about the third time I've heard of this disaster, about 9 years ago there was a incident in San Fransico where an officer did the same same and shot some bum living in the subway, the dept mandated that the taser be worn behind the service firearm.

Some time ago when our dept explored the use of Tasers, that was one problem I noted, if you carry it carry on the duty belt opposite side of your firearm....but these Depts they dont listen
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: BayouCountry on April 13, 2021, 12:33:55 AM
Quote from: TD on April 12, 2021, 11:57:14 PM
the MN governor tweeted something like "another black man has died from law enforcement."

Think about this statement and what it says to the looters and the police.

Maybe the Ahole governor should concentrate on where the real problem is in his state.  Did he tweet about the huge increase in crime and what he is doing about it?

QuoteEarly 2021 Minneapolis Crime Stats Show 250% Increase In Gunshot Victims
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/01/22/early-2021-minneapolis-crime-stats-show-250-increase-in-gunshot-victims/
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Pop Daddy on April 13, 2021, 12:47:21 AM
Quote from: TD on April 12, 2021, 11:57:14 PM
the MN governor tweeted something like "another black man has died from law enforcement."

Think about this statement and what it says to the looters and the police.

I saw that and that will only encourage these animals to continue to burn and loot.  Which is fine with me since the city is a shithole and burning it to the ground would be a good thing.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: esbad63 on April 13, 2021, 01:19:56 AM
Why not sacrifice ONE or TWO mansions to educate the BLM crowd on the proper way to get handcuffed and processed???

They will continue to resist because they are defiant. They will continue to loot and pillage because that is all they know. Why doesn't BLM put some of the 90 million into the communities at the source of the problem. Resisting arrest IS THE PROBLEM.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Sick Of Silence on April 13, 2021, 02:40:24 AM
Quote from: esbad63 on April 13, 2021, 01:19:56 AM
Why not sacrifice ONE or TWO mansions to educate the BLM crowd on the proper way to get handcuffed and processed???

They will continue to resist because they are defiant. They will continue to loot and pillage because that is all they know. Why doesn't BLM put some of the 90 million into the communities at the source of the problem. Resisting arrest IS THE PROBLEM.

No. Committing crimes is their problem.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Solar on April 13, 2021, 03:09:31 AM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on April 13, 2021, 02:40:24 AM
No. Committing crimes is their problem.
BINGO!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYmzbO0cUHo
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Mimsy on April 13, 2021, 06:06:31 AM
Quote from: TD on April 12, 2021, 11:57:14 PM
the MN governor tweeted something like "another black man has died from law enforcement."

Think about this statement and what it says to the looters and the police.

Comrade Walz is a real POS. :sneaky:
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: esbad63 on April 13, 2021, 06:09:00 AM
Quote from: Colin Norris on April 12, 2021, 12:29:45 PM
Did he murder him?

Another gem from Norris!

Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Pop Daddy on April 14, 2021, 01:19:07 AM
Turns out the choir boy pre med student that was shot for having an air freshener on his mirror, was out on $100,000 bail.  The little angel apparently tried to kill someone by choking them, plus an aggravated robbery charge.

Mother claims he "didn do nuffin"

I believe the asshole mayor is now saying maybe police should not be armed during a traffic stop.  In that part of the state?  Really?  How many officers are going to put up with that stupid bullshit?  Sure Chief, I'll go into the ghetto unarmed.  Will the media report on the deaths of those officers when they go into those projects unarmed?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 02:50:50 AM
Quote from: esbad63 on April 13, 2021, 01:19:56 AM
Why not sacrifice ONE or TWO mansions to educate the BLM crowd on the proper way to get handcuffed and processed???

They will continue to resist because they are defiant. They will continue to loot and pillage because that is all they know. Why doesn't BLM put some of the 90 million into the communities at the source of the problem. Resisting arrest IS THE PROBLEM.

I don't think execution is an appropriate punishment for resisting arrest.

This was the worst possible time for this kind of "oopsie!"
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Hoofer on April 14, 2021, 03:38:38 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 13, 2021, 03:09:31 AM
BINGO!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYmzbO0cUHo
Simple, good advice - (and funny)
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Solar on April 14, 2021, 03:40:06 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 02:50:50 AM
I don't think execution is an appropriate punishment for resisting arrest.

This was the worst possible time for this kind of "oopsie!"
It wasn't, it was an actual accident, one the idiot perp brought upon himself!
Turn off the damn TV and read!
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Calypso Jones on April 14, 2021, 03:47:33 AM
if the dead man was white we wouldn't hear a word about it.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Sick Of Silence on April 14, 2021, 04:10:18 AM
Quote from: Calypso Jones on April 14, 2021, 03:47:33 AM
if the dead man was white we wouldn't hear a word about it.

That's the real racism!
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: supsalemgr on April 14, 2021, 04:26:08 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 02:50:50 AM
I don't think execution is an appropriate punishment for resisting arrest.

This was the worst possible time for this kind of "oopsie!"

Execution? Did you watch the video?

Please share with us what the appropriate action should have been.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 04:40:52 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 14, 2021, 03:40:06 AM
It wasn't, it was an actual accident, one the idiot perp brought upon himself!
Turn off the damn TV and read!

hmmmmm..... the victim made the officer incompetent?  How does THAT work?   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Solar on April 14, 2021, 04:47:22 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 04:40:52 AM
hmmmmm..... the victim made the officer incompetent?  How does THAT work?   :rolleyes:
No, the victim is the one he strangled and robbed.
He is the perp that chose to run because he knew they had a warrant out for his worthless ass. It was he, who set the stage in motion for what was to follow, yes, he is the sole reason the following ensued.
A cop made a mistake, thought she had her taser in hand, yelled Taser 3 times and fired. Had he not tried to flee, he'd still be alive!

I'd suggest you understand the subject matter before opening your yap.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Mimsy on April 14, 2021, 04:48:53 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 02:50:50 AM
I don't think execution is an appropriate punishment for resisting arrest.

This was the worst possible time for this kind of "oopsie!"

Everyone knows this was an accident, one Daunte brought on himself by resisting. Tragic yes but totally avoidable. The cops had no idea if Daunte broke free from being cuffed to dive into his car to grab a gun or flee. The MSM is doing their best to paint this as more police brutality and all the useful idiots lap it up. The moral of the story; don't resist arrest.

btw, cops regularly pull people over for seemly trivial things like air freshener/ tabs whatever, when they suspect that someone in the car has a warrant out for them which Daunte did. 
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 04:56:07 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 14, 2021, 04:47:22 AM
No, the victim is the one he strangled and robbed.
He is the perp that chose to run because he knew they had a warrant out for his worthless ass. It was he, who set the stage in motion for what was to follow, yes, he is the sole reason the following ensued.
A cop made a mistake, thought she had her taser in hand, yelled Taser 3 times and fired. Had he not tried to flee, he'd still be alive!

I'd suggest you understand the subject matter before opening your yap.

I don't disagree that he had a warrant and probably wasn't a good person, but do you agree that death is not an acceptable punishment for trying to run from police?

Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Mimsy on April 14, 2021, 05:10:21 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 04:56:07 AM
I don't disagree that he had a warrant and probably wasn't a good person, but do you agree that death is not an acceptable punishment for trying to run from police?

What if a serial killer is running from police? Are police supposed to just let a resisting criminal get back in their car so they can run some people over or get away and commit more crimes?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 05:22:51 AM
Quote from: Mimsy on April 14, 2021, 05:10:21 AM
What if a serial killer is running from police? Are police supposed to just let a resisting criminal get back in their car so they can run some people over or get away and commit more crimes?

I think police should do their best to detain a resisting suspect, but you shouldn't kill him/her simply because other ideas don't work.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Solar on April 14, 2021, 05:38:14 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 04:56:07 AM
I don't disagree that he had a warrant and probably wasn't a good person, but do you agree that death is not an acceptable punishment for trying to run from police?
They didn't know he was trying to flee, he could have been looking for a weapon!
What part of obeying police commands, do you not understand?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Mimsy on April 14, 2021, 05:45:15 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 05:22:51 AM
I think police should do their best to detain a resisting suspect, but you shouldn't kill him/her simply because other ideas don't work.


I think criminals should know that running/fighting police is a really bad idea. It's dangerous and potentially deadly. If we send the message to lawbreakers that running/fighting police has no consequences we would see a complete breakdown of civilized society. 
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 05:53:46 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 14, 2021, 05:38:14 AM
They didn't know he was trying to flee, he could have been looking for a weapon!
What part of obeying police commands, do you not understand?

Let's look at this a different way.  Let's say that the suspect had just stolen a watch from a store and a good Samaritan, who happened to see it, follows the suspect to his car and tries to stop him from getting into his car and leaving.  But, the suspect gets loose and gets into his car to try to leave.  Would you be ok with the good Samaritan shooting and killing the suspect because he might be going for a weapon to shoot the good Samaritan?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Solar on April 14, 2021, 06:11:52 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 05:53:46 AM
Let's look at this a different way.  Let's say that the suspect had just stolen a watch from a store and a good Samaritan, who happened to see it, follows the suspect to his car and tries to stop him from getting into his car and leaving.  But, the suspect gets loose and gets into his car to try to leave.  Would you be ok with the good Samaritan shooting and killing the suspect because he might be going for a weapon to shoot the good Samaritan?
Moving the goal post will not make your point right. Get over it, you are excusing criminal behavior, that is not what makes society function.
Bad behavior comes with bad consequences, don't do evil, evil will not come to you.

Ever heard the expression, "Can't do the time? Don't do the crime"?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: RV on April 14, 2021, 06:17:29 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 05:53:46 AM
Let's look at this a different way.  Let's say that the suspect had just stolen a watch from a store and a good Samaritan, who happened to see it, follows the suspect to his car and tries to stop him from getting into his car and leaving.  But, the suspect gets loose and gets into his car to try to leave.  Would you be ok with the good Samaritan shooting and killing the suspect because he might be going for a weapon to shoot the good Samaritan?

First off, IT WASN'T A "GOOD SAMARITAN", it was a Police officer. Secondly, the perpetrator failed to follow the officer's lawful commands. Third, the officer had no way of knowing what the perpetrator was going to do. Obviously you have no law enforcement experience because you aren't dealing with the actual facts of the case but, are trying to present a whole different set of circumstances to justify your ridiculous argument. I might add that the officer had no way of knowing whether the perpetrator was going to try to run them over so use of lethal force would be justified. An automobile IS a lethal weapon.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 06:24:55 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 14, 2021, 06:11:52 AM
Moving the goal post will not make your point right. Get over it, you are excusing criminal behavior, that is not what makes society function.
Bad behavior comes with bad consequences, don't do evil, evil will not come to you.

Ever heard the expression, "Can't do the time? Don't do the crime"?

I am in no way excusing criminal behavior.  I think the suspect, whenever he was apprehended, should have been put into the justice system and punished for all of his wrongdoings, including fleeing.

You haven't convinced me that death in an appropriate/moral punishment for fleeing.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 06:28:35 AM
Quote from: RV on April 14, 2021, 06:17:29 AM
First off, IT WASN'T A "GOOD SAMARITAN", it was a Police officer. Secondly, the perpetrator failed to follow the officer's lawful commands. Third, the officer had no way of knowing what the perpetrator was going to do. Obviously you have no law enforcement experience because you aren't dealing with the actual facts of the case but, are trying to present a whole different set of circumstances to justify your ridiculous argument. I might add that the officer had no way of knowing whether the perpetrator was going to try to run them over so use of lethal force would be justified. An automobile IS a lethal weapon.

If a police officer, in that situation, doesn't know what the suspect was doing in the car, how would a Good Samaritan or literally any other citizen engaged with the suspect.  A threat on the life of a police officer should be a  threat on people in all other professions, should it not?

For example, let's say there was a gun tucked next to the seat and visible to the good Samaritan. Would you agree that the gun constitutes a threat to the good Samaritan and a police officer?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Solar on April 14, 2021, 07:07:55 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 06:24:55 AM
I am in no way excusing criminal behavior.  I think the suspect, whenever he was apprehended, should have been put into the justice system and punished for all of his wrongdoings, including fleeing.

You haven't convinced me that death in an appropriate/moral punishment for fleeing.

What part of accident do you not get?


(https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/071/542/971/original/a8ea54e9956963af.jpg)
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Possum on April 14, 2021, 07:10:31 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 06:28:35 AM
If a police officer, in that situation, doesn't know what the suspect was doing in the car, how would a Good Samaritan or literally any other citizen engaged with the suspect.  A threat on the life of a police officer should be a  threat on people in all other professions, should it not?

For example, let's say there was a gun tucked next to the seat and visible to the good Samaritan. Would you agree that the gun constitutes a threat to the good Samaritan and a police officer?
This thread is about an actual case, not one you are making up. Start another thread if you want to play make believe.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Billy's bayonet on April 14, 2021, 07:58:13 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 06:28:35 AM
If a police officer, in that situation, doesn't know what the suspect was doing in the car, how would a Good Samaritan or literally any other citizen engaged with the suspect.  A threat on the life of a police officer should be a  threat on people in all other professions, should it not?

For example, let's say there was a gun tucked next to the seat and visible to the good Samaritan. Would you agree that the gun constitutes a threat to the good Samaritan and a police officer?

Will you stop with the hypotheticals which have no merit or bearing in this matter, you are talking yourself in circles "good samaritan"...seriously?

You've been conditioned by the media and other anti Police and anti Gun entities that is obvious about a gun being a threat...GUNS ARE NOT THREATS, PEOPLE ARE THREATS....a gun tucked into a seat is not a threat until some one reaches for it or places it in their hand and brings the weapon into battery against whomever.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Hoofer on April 14, 2021, 08:06:56 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 14, 2021, 07:58:13 AM
Will you stop with the hypotheticals which have no merit or bearing in this matter, you are talking yourself in circles "good samaritan"...seriously?

I've learned the discussion is over, the moment a real life/death incident discussion turns to hypothetical illusions... a complete waste of time from then on. 
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 08:38:05 AM
I think the most  likely  outcome of this will be  police will be ignoring  more  crimes. If  i were a  cop i wouldnt  bother anyone. Just keep driving around. I dont think the cop should  be  blamed here but  i also think we  need less  policing  in general.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: RV on April 14, 2021, 08:50:39 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 06:24:55 AM
I am in no way excusing criminal behavior.  I think the suspect, whenever he was apprehended, should have been put into the justice system and punished for all of his wrongdoings, including fleeing.

You haven't convinced me that death in an appropriate/moral punishment for fleeing.

No, you aren't "convinced"... If the perp had killed the officer this conversation would have went in a completely different direction. Then you could have claimed that you weren't "convinced" that the officer shouldn't have done something to protect him/herself. Either way, liberals will never be "convinced" that somehow, someway the officer was not at fault. After all a criminal would never have assaulted, ran over or murdered the officer, right?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Possum on April 14, 2021, 09:20:54 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 08:38:05 AM
I think the most  likely  outcome of this will be  police will be ignoring  more  crimes. If  i were a  cop i wouldnt  bother anyone. Just keep driving around. I dont think the cop should  be  blamed here but i also think we  need less  policing  in general.
I think we need less people committing crimes and living off society. We will not achieve that by having less police.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 14, 2021, 09:20:54 AM
I think we need less people committing crimes and living off society. We will not achieve that by having less police.
The problem is eventually the  police will be the  enforcement arm of  communism then you will wish we  had  no police. It was easy to turn the FBI and CIA into far left action groups  because they are run from DC. Police are  under thousands of  cities but  it will happen.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Solar on April 14, 2021, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 09:29:25 AM
The problem is eventually the  police will be the  enforcement arm of  communism then you will wish we  had  no police. It was easy to turn the FBI and CIA into far left action groups  because they are run from DC. Police are  under thousands of  cities but  it will happen.
No, we won't! Most Conservatives don't live in liberal shitholes!
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 10:25:24 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 14, 2021, 09:33:13 AM
No, we won't! Most Conservatives don't live in liberal shitholes!

Of  course, but all police forces get alot  of  bucks from DC and the  justice dept can use  alot  of  coercion on any police force. As we already see dems  dont shrink from using  power and  coercion.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Mimsy on April 14, 2021, 10:57:07 AM
Democrats don't need to turn police into storm troopers, they have antifa and blm for that.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Solar on April 14, 2021, 12:05:43 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 10:25:24 AM
Of  course, but all police forces get alot  of  bucks from DC and the  justice dept can use  alot  of  coercion on any police force. As we already see dems  dont shrink from using  power and  coercion.
FUCKEM, LET THEM BURN THEIR OWN CITIES TO THE GROUND.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: BayouCountry on April 14, 2021, 04:19:06 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 08:38:05 AM
I think the most  likely  outcome of this will be  police will be ignoring  more  crimes. If  i were a  cop i wouldnt  bother anyone. Just keep driving around. I dont think the cop should  be  blamed here but  i also think we  need less  policing  in general.

Tell that to the people who live in New Orleans and see what response you get.

I do agree that, in most cases, police shouldn't be charged when a suspect is clearly resisting arrest.

One thing I haven't seen in all these discussions is what can be done to prevent this from happening again.  Why not issue stun guns that don't feel anything like a pistol?  I can actually picture myself making the same mistake under duress. 

I'm not a cop, but I was trained by a retired officer/DA.  He had plenty of stories to tell about how fellow officers were injured by supposedly unassuming suspects.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: RV on April 14, 2021, 10:31:10 PM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 14, 2021, 04:56:07 AM
I don't disagree that he had a warrant and probably wasn't a good person, but do you agree that death is not an acceptable punishment for trying to run from police?

How do you "know" that his intention was to run? How do you "know" that he wouldn't have ran over the officer if he had the chance? All sorts of things can be envisioned and imagined but, the fact remains that he disobeyed lawful orders from a uniformed law enforcement officer. You can made all sorts of guesses and assumptions that could be true, may be true or could be completely wrong. The facts and truth are what matters.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 11:44:33 PM
Quote from: BayouCountry on April 14, 2021, 04:19:06 PM
Tell that to the people who live in New Orleans and see what response you get.

I do agree that, in most cases, police shouldn't be charged when a suspect is clearly resisting arrest.

One thing I haven't seen in all these discussions is what can be done to prevent this from happening again.  Why not issue stun guns that don't feel anything like a pistol?  I can actually picture myself making the same mistake under duress. 

I'm not a cop, but I was trained by a retired officer/DA.  He had plenty of stories to tell about how fellow officers were injured by supposedly unassuming suspects.

Yes, i know there  is alot  of  crime and people want to be safe but im looking to the day when the  cops will be the gestapo, so i want  less  policing.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Possum on April 15, 2021, 12:01:23 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 11:44:33 PM
Yes, i know there  is alot  of  crime and people want to be safe but im looking to the day when the  cops will be the gestapo, so i want  less  policing.
Are you in favor of de funding? Do you think the democrats will always be in power?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: ldub23 on April 15, 2021, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 15, 2021, 12:01:23 AM
Are you in favor of de funding? Do you think the democrats will always be in power?

Once they take over a  law enforcement group it doesnt  matter  if they are "in power" The CIA and FBI were actively working to topple a  duly elected president when republicans were "in power". Oh, and i also think they are going to totally  co-opt the  military. The pentagon is already a democrat organization. And yes, like any govt agency the  police  have become too powerful and overfunded. I would defund them but  for  different  motives than democrats.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 12:38:19 AM
Quote from: RV on April 14, 2021, 10:31:10 PM
How do you "know" that his intention was to run? How do you "know" that he wouldn't have ran over the officer if he had the chance? All sorts of things can be envisioned and imagined but, the fact remains that he disobeyed lawful orders from a uniformed law enforcement officer. You can made all sorts of guesses and assumptions that could be true, may be true or could be completely wrong. The facts and truth are what matters.

I can come up with all kinds of scenarios to use as justification for killing people, but if there is an actual threat, it should be an actual threat regardless of the profession of the person in the situation. All life has value and we all have the right to defend ourselves from a threat in our lives.

Yes, his disobeyed an order from a police officer and should be punished  as determined by the courts.  Disobeying a command from an officer isn't punishable by death, unless you do something to threaten the life of the officer while disobeying.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: ldub23 on April 15, 2021, 12:44:27 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 12:38:19 AM
I can come up with all kinds of scenarios to use as justification for killing people, but if there is an actual threat, it should be an actual threat regardless of the profession of the person in the situation. All life has value and we all have the right to defend ourselves from a threat in our lives.

Yes, his disobeyed an order from a police officer and should be punished  as determined by the courts.  Disobeying a command from an officer isn't punishable by death, unless you do something to threaten the life of the officer while disobeying.

All life  has value? Thats a rather racist thing to say. Didnt you  mean black lives  have value?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Possum on April 15, 2021, 12:54:00 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 12:38:19 AM
I can come up with all kinds of scenarios to use as justification for killing people, but if there is an actual threat, it should be an actual threat regardless of the profession of the person in the situation. All life has value and we all have the right to defend ourselves from a threat in our lives.

Yes, his disobeyed an order from a police officer and should be punished  as determined by the courts.  Disobeying a command from an officer isn't punishable by death, unless you do something to threaten the life of the officer while disobeying.
Countless police offices have been killed in the line of duty by criminals who disobeyed orders from the police officer who is doing their job in trying to arrest them. Should they not learn from experiences?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: RV on April 15, 2021, 01:00:46 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 12:38:19 AM
I can come up with all kinds of scenarios to use as justification for killing people, but if there is an actual threat, it should be an actual threat regardless of the profession of the person in the situation. All life has value and we all have the right to defend ourselves from a threat in our lives.

Yes, his disobeyed an order from a police officer and should be punished  as determined by the courts.  Disobeying a command from an officer isn't punishable by death, unless you do something to threaten the life of the officer while disobeying.

As I said before and will continue to say. If the officer was killed then people like you would blame the officer rather than the perp. As it is, the perp was killed so AGAIN, the officer is at fault as far as you are concerned. "Less policing"? Thats wonderful as long as you aren't the one suffering from a theft, home invasion, rape, assault or murder. Like all Democrats, you want "less policing" as long as that "less policing" allows you to break the law with impunity but, when that "less policing" means that you are "less safe" THEN the rhetoric changes.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 01:27:04 AM
Quote from: RV on April 15, 2021, 01:00:46 AM
As I said before and will continue to say. If the officer was killed then people like you would blame the officer rather than the perp. As it is, the perp was killed so AGAIN, the officer is at fault as far as you are concerned. "Less policing"? Thats wonderful as long as you aren't the one suffering from a theft, home invasion, rape, assault or murder. Like all Democrats, you want "less policing" as long as that "less policing" allows you to break the law with impunity but, when that "less policing" means that you are "less safe" THEN the rhetoric changes.

If the police officer was killed, I would blame the killer.  Since the suspect is dead, I blame the officer.

I don't want less policing, I want good policing and good policing means that we, as a society, have a consistent, objective standard for what is a threat on someone's life.  A legitimate threat on a life would be a legitimate threat on a life regardless of the profession of the people involved.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Solar on April 15, 2021, 02:19:28 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 01:27:04 AM
If the police officer was killed, I would blame the killer.  Since the suspect is dead, I blame the officer.

I don't want less policing, I want good policing and good policing means that we, as a society, have a consistent, objective standard for what is a threat on someone's life.  A legitimate threat on a life would be a legitimate threat on a life regardless of the profession of the people involved.

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Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: supsalemgr on April 15, 2021, 02:21:50 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 12:38:19 AM
I can come up with all kinds of scenarios to use as justification for killing people, but if there is an actual threat, it should be an actual threat regardless of the profession of the person in the situation. All life has value and we all have the right to defend ourselves from a threat in our lives.

Yes, his disobeyed an order from a police officer and should be punished  as determined by the courts.  Disobeying a command from an officer isn't punishable by death, unless you do something to threaten the life of the officer while disobeying.

I have noticed you do not respond to my posts to your posts. That leads me to believe you are just anther hit and run poster we are very familiar with here.

Are you suggesting the officer's actions were on purpose? If so, why do you believe that?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 02:32:13 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 15, 2021, 02:21:50 AM


I have noticed you do not respond to my posts to your posts. That leads me to believe you are just anther hit and run poster we are very familiar with here.

Are you suggesting the officer's actions were on purpose? If so, why do you believe that?

I didn't even see your response.  If you're talking about the "execution" post, then I'll gladly admit that "execution" was hyperbole.  And, no, I definitely don't believe that the officer's actions were intentional.  I think she made a horrible mistake.  I also don't believe that race was a factor.

As far as your question about what was the appropriate actions by the officer...

Watching the video, I didn't see any threat on the life of the officer that would have warranted shooting him, if the shooting was done intentionally, which we agree it wasn't.   The issue is that we have been convinced that simply disobeying a police order somehow automatically becomes a threat on the officer's life.  I think that's wrong and will continue to be an area of contention between citizens and law enforcement, especially given how visible these incidents are due to portable video devices.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: BayouCountry on April 15, 2021, 02:41:44 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on April 14, 2021, 11:44:33 PM
Yes, i know there  is alot  of  crime and people want to be safe but im looking to the day when the  cops will be the gestapo, so i want  less  policing.

What statistics point you to such an extreme assumption?  Seems like you are reaching your conclusions on feelings over logic based on high profile incidents in the news with no regard that the suspects were resisting arrest.

There is only a couple cases I can think of where the officers shot someone not resisting.  A couple out of how many stops per day?  Per year?  If you are looking for perfect policing then you are living in the land of Oz.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: supsalemgr on April 15, 2021, 03:16:17 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 02:32:13 AM
I didn't even see your response.  If you're talking about the "execution" post, then I'll gladly admit that "execution" was hyperbole.  And, no, I definitely don't believe that the officer's actions were intentional.  I think she made a horrible mistake.  I also don't believe that race was a factor.

As far as your question about what was the appropriate actions by the officer...

Watching the video, I didn't see any threat on the life of the officer that would have warranted shooting him, if the shooting was done intentionally, which we agree it wasn't.   The issue is that we have been convinced that simply disobeying a police order somehow automatically becomes a threat on the officer's life.  I think that's wrong and will continue to be an area of contention between citizens and law enforcement, especially given how visible these incidents are due to portable video devices.

So what actions should law enforcement take when a person resists arrest?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: RV on April 15, 2021, 03:27:41 AM
Quote from: BayouCountry on April 15, 2021, 02:41:44 AM
What statistics point you to such an extreme assumption?  Seems like you are reaching your conclusions on feelings over logic based on high profile incidents in the news with no regard that the suspects were resisting arrest.

There is only a couple cases I can think of where the officers shot someone not resisting.  A couple out of how many stops per day?  Per year?  If you are looking for perfect policing then you are living in the land of Oz.

There are statistics and numbers which completely refute the hysterics and rhetoric of the left however, that does not support the "defund law enforcement", "open borders", tax & spend and "sky is falling" Democrats. It is interesting that the same people who can afford million dollar mansions, vacation homes, high walls and private armed security guards want to take law enforcement away from those who cannot afford what they can. It is these same morons who talk about population control... Could there be a connection?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 03:42:46 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 15, 2021, 03:16:17 AM
So what actions should law enforcement take when a person resists arrest?

The action of tasing him, especially if the car was on and in gear, is risky.  If the car wasn't running, tasing is the correct action.  If he still manages to get free of police and drive away - let him.  Call for back up, track him down,  stop him and arrest him.  Shooting and killing him is not a correct action.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: walkstall on April 15, 2021, 03:58:33 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 03:42:46 AM
The action of tasing him, especially if the car was on and in gear, is risky.  If the car wasn't running, tasing is the correct action.  If he still manages to get free of police and drive away - let him.  Call for back up, track him down,  stop him and arrest him. Shooting and killing him is not a correct action.

And just how many people could he kill before you track him down, and you get back up.  And once you get back up if he had more time to get bigger guns,  how many police could he kill?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 04:25:23 AM
Quote from: walkstall on April 15, 2021, 03:58:33 AM
And just how many people could he kill before you track him down, and you get back up.  And once you get back up if he had more time to get bigger guns,  how many police could he kill?

It's very rare for police pursuits to result in the death of innocent people, so the odds are slim.  It doesn't seem very moral to simply kill anyone that tries to flee from police.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Sick Of Silence on April 15, 2021, 04:39:25 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 04:25:23 AM
It's very rare for police pursuits to result in the death of innocent people, so the odds are slim.  It doesn't seem very moral to simply kill anyone that tries to flee from police.

Is it moral for the criminal to commit the crime against someone in the first  place? Will you codemn the perpetrator for committing the crime?

Why are defending criminals?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Possum on April 15, 2021, 04:49:31 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 04:25:23 AM
It's very rare for police pursuits to result in the death of innocent people, so the odds are slim. It doesn't seem very moral to simply kill anyone that tries to flee from police.
They were trying to taser him.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: supsalemgr on April 15, 2021, 04:53:02 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 03:42:46 AM
The action of tasing him, especially if the car was on and in gear, is risky.  If the car wasn't running, tasing is the correct action.  If he still manages to get free of police and drive away - let him.  Call for back up, track him down,  stop him and arrest him.  Shooting and killing him is not a correct action.

Thank you. After 5 pages of posts you have gotten to the point of what happened.

You have acknowledged the officer did not intend to shoot the young man and that he should have been tasered. That is exactly what the officer intended to do.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: walkstall on April 15, 2021, 05:10:18 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 04:25:23 AM
It's very rare for police pursuits to result in the death of innocent people, so the odds are slim.  It doesn't seem very moral to simply kill anyone that tries to flee from police.



It's very rare police kill innocent people also.  BUT SHIT HAPPEN!  Hell black kill blacks often deliberately. but in Dem run cities that ok.  Only if a police kill a black person then all hell will broke Loose.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Mimsy on April 15, 2021, 05:14:52 AM
Something we should not gloss over like the MSM, is that Daunte's warrant was for a felony weapons charge. The police should have all had their weapons drawn imo and not have treated this like he blew through a stoplight. I doubt if the prick would have dove into his car if he had a gun to his head.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 05:37:12 AM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on April 15, 2021, 04:39:25 AM
Is it moral for the criminal to commit the crime against someone in the first  place? Will you codemn the perpetrator for committing the crime?

Why are defending criminals?

I'm not defending criminals.  I don't condone running from police, assaulting police or not obeying orders, but to say that doing any of those things automatically gives the government the right to kill you is not ok.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Possum on April 15, 2021, 05:40:26 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 05:37:12 AM
I'm not defending criminals.  I don't condone running from police, assaulting police or not obeying orders, but to say that doing any of those things automatically gives the government the right to kill you is not ok.
He was not killed for running from the police. The policeman was trying to taser him. Had he obeyed the police, he would still be alive and probably out on bail.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 05:56:31 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 15, 2021, 05:40:26 AM
He was not killed for running from the police. The policeman was trying to taser him. Had he obeyed the police, he would still be alive and probably out on bail.

I know it wasn't intentional, but there are a lot of people who would see shooting him as ok for trying to run or because getting into the car supposedly posed a threat to the officer's life.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: ldub23 on April 15, 2021, 06:26:16 AM
Quote from: BayouCountry on April 15, 2021, 02:41:44 AM
What statistics point you to such an extreme assumption?  Seems like you are reaching your conclusions on feelings over logic based on high profile incidents in the news with no regard that the suspects were resisting arrest.

There is only a couple cases I can think of where the officers shot someone not resisting.  A couple out of how many stops per day?  Per year?  If you are looking for perfect policing then you are living in the land of Oz.

It doesnt take  long for the  left to corrupt an organization. They did  it fast with the CIA and FBI and quite frankly i would disband them now. Im not  basing anything  on high profile  incidents. The left  infiltrates and corrupts everything and the day is  coming when the  cops ARE gestapo.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Possum on April 15, 2021, 06:28:28 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 05:56:31 AM
I know it wasn't intentional, but there are a lot of people who would see shooting him as ok for trying to run or because getting into the car supposedly posed a threat to the officer's life.
Once he is in his car, the suspect now could have access to weapons, even the car can become a weapon. Now, more people could be at risk. That is why the police was trying to taser him. Maybe what we need is an educational program taught in schools, say the third grade, where students are taught the proper way to respond to the police. The teacher could make a game, police says "raise your hands" and the students can practice raising their hands. Just think of all the lives that could be saved. Of course, not breaking the law could also be taught but with liberal politicians encouraging crime such as looting and burning of buildings, that probably will not happen. 
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: RV on April 15, 2021, 07:03:29 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 15, 2021, 06:28:28 AM
Once he is in his car, the suspect now could have access to weapons, even the car can become a weapon. Now, more people could be at risk. That is why the police was trying to taser him. Maybe what we need is an educational program taught in schools, say the third grade, where students are taught the proper way to respond to the police. The teacher could make a game, police says "raise your hands" and the students can practice raising their hands. Just think of all the lives that could be saved. Of course, not breaking the law could also be taught but with liberal politicians encouraging crime such as looting and burning of buildings, that probably will not happen.

ABSOLUTELY! Well said.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Billy's bayonet on April 15, 2021, 09:33:55 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 15, 2021, 03:16:17 AM
So what actions should law enforcement take when a person resists arrest?

REASONABLE AMOUNT OF FORCE NECESSARY

& in conjuction with the use of force continuum  which is the law with about every PD in the USA
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: RV on April 15, 2021, 10:42:04 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 15, 2021, 09:33:55 AM
REASONABLE AMOUNT OF FORCE NECESSARY

& in conjuction with the use of force continuum  which is the law with about every PD in the USA

If the officer is murdered (i.e. ran over, beaten, shot, etc.) and dead is it "reasonable" to use lethal force then?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Pop Daddy on April 15, 2021, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 05:56:31 AM
I know it wasn't intentional, but there are a lot of people who would see shooting him as ok for trying to run or because getting into the car supposedly posed a threat to the officer's life.

Well count me as one of them.  I would have shot the piece of shit square between the eyes had it been me there.  He was a known piece of shit and the police knew who they were dealing with.  The stupid piece of shit got what was long overdue.  His mother knew he was a piece of shit along with all his friends.  He was facing serious time in prison and he knew  it.  Why do you think he skipped on his trail date?  And no, it wasn't because he had mid terms at his medical school.

I guess you've never been around scum bag criminals.  They will lie, steal, cheat and take you out in a heartbeat if the need arises.  Career thugs don't change until they are caught and punished one way or the other.  This time this particular piece of shit got what was coming his way.  Two weeks from now it could have been one of the "brothers" in his ghetto taking him out in a drive by or just gang violence.

The piece of shit knew the woman he was attempting to rob.  That's the thug life.  The worthless dregs of society have no ethics.  He had been out on bail, he was ordered to not have any weapons and he's wanted on a weapons charge, along with others.  Good riddance.

Look at the upside, he gave all his hood animal buddies the excuse they needed to go and loot a new pair of Nike's.  Win/win.  The animals got new shoes, a couple cases of Colt 45 Malt Liquor and the world has one less turd walking around in search of another victim. 

Gotta love libtards with their all lives matter bullshit, unless of course they are talking about killing a baby, then it's a choice not a life.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Sick Of Silence on April 15, 2021, 11:39:44 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 05:37:12 AM
I'm not defending criminals.  I don't condone running from police, assaulting police or not obeying orders, but to say that doing any of those things automatically gives the government the right to kill you is not ok.

Yes you are.

That's ultimately what you and every leftist is doing within this conversation: defund, disable, and disrespect police; act like a carrer thug criminal who just committed another crime is innocent and put them on a pedestal; burn, murder, loot, and commit crimes in the process of "protesting".
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Sick Of Silence on April 15, 2021, 11:44:42 AM
Quote from: Pop Daddy on April 15, 2021, 11:22:00 AM
Well count me as one of them.  I would have shot the piece of shit square between the eyes had it been me there.  He was a known piece of shit and the police knew who they were dealing with.  The stupid piece of shit got what was long overdue.  His mother knew he was a piece of shit along with all his friends.  He was facing serious time in prison and he knew  it.  Why do you think he skipped on his trail date?  And no, it wasn't because he had mid terms at his medical school.

I guess you've never been around scum bag criminals.  They will lie, steal, cheat and take you out in a heartbeat if the need arises.  Career thugs don't change until they are caught and punished one way or the other.  This time this particular piece of shit got what was coming his way.  Two weeks from now it could have been one of the "brothers" in his ghetto taking him out in a drive by or just gang violence.

The piece of shit knew the woman he was attempting to rob.  That's the thug life.  The worthless dregs of society have no ethics.  He had been out on bail, he was ordered to not have any weapons and he's wanted on a weapons charge, along with others.  Good riddance.

Look at the upside, he gave all his hood animal buddies the excuse they needed to go and loot a new pair of Nike's.  Win/win.  The animals got new shoes, a couple cases of Colt 45 Malt Liquor and the world has one less turd walking around in search of another victim. 

Gotta love libtards with their all lives matter bullshit, unless of course they are talking about killing a baby, then it's a choice not a life.

I agree.

We, as civilized humans, are soft on crime. There should not be a thing as career criminals.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: BayouCountry on April 15, 2021, 12:53:48 PM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 15, 2021, 03:42:46 AM
The action of tasing him, especially if the car was on and in gear, is risky.  If the car wasn't running, tasing is the correct action.  If he still manages to get free of police and drive away - let him.  Call for back up, track him down,  stop him and arrest him.  Shooting and killing him is not a correct action.

I'll play.  What if he drove to your sisters house and killed the family?  Criminals who resist arrest need to be taken down ASAP for public safety.  The one exception may be a high speed chase.

We can armchair quarterback all day long, but it doesn't take away the fact that there was a real threat to the officers lives.  There may have been a weapon in the vehicle as far as the officers knew at that time. 
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: RV on April 15, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on April 15, 2021, 11:44:42 AM
I agree.

We, as civilized humans, are soft on crime. There should not be a thing as career criminals.

Ya' know I've heard liberals make the statement that supposedly the U.S. has more criminals locked up than any other country. We are freer than any other country and it makes perfect sense that there are some people who think that they have some kind of "right" to rape, steal and kill others. Of course we should take them off the street, usurp their freedom and punish them for their criminal activity. You cannot have "rights" and "freedom" unless EVERYONE is free except those who victimize others.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Billy's bayonet on April 15, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
Quote from: RV on April 15, 2021, 10:42:04 AM
If the officer is murdered (i.e. ran over, beaten, shot, etc.) and dead is it "reasonable" to use lethal force then?

The idea is to use force to prevent onesself or others being murdered, injured or assaulted.

https://www.policetest.info/force-continuum
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: RV on April 16, 2021, 12:37:24 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 15, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
The idea is to use force to prevent onesself or others being murdered, injured or assaulted.

https://www.policetest.info/force-continuum

Operative word "prevent". After the officer has been assaulted, ran over, etc. it is too late. That would mean that the officer was supposed to "prevent" the perp/criminal from harming them or someone else. Given that definition, I can say AGAIN that the officer DID "prevent" him/herself and others from being harmed, assaulted or killed.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 12:56:38 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 15, 2021, 06:28:28 AM
Once he is in his car, the suspect now could have access to weapons, even the car can become a weapon. Now, more people could be at risk. That is why the police was trying to taser him. Maybe what we need is an educational program taught in schools, say the third grade, where students are taught the proper way to respond to the police. The teacher could make a game, police says "raise your hands" and the students can practice raising their hands. Just think of all the lives that could be saved. Of course, not breaking the law could also be taught but with liberal politicians encouraging crime such as looting and burning of buildings, that probably will not happen.

The suspect could have access to a weapon... or he could not.  The car could be used as a weapon... or it could not.

If a government employee is going to end someone's life, I think there should be based on something more than "could", because you "could" find reason to kill people in virtually any situation.  There's the Daniel Shaver incident.  Dillon... Taylor?  I don't recall his last name.

I know the shooting wasn't intentional, but there are plenty of people (I'd bet on this forum) who honestly believe it's ok for police to kill people simply for not obeying commands or fleeing, despite the fact that this is no threat on the life of the officer.  I don't think that's ok. 
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 12:58:52 AM
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on April 15, 2021, 11:39:44 AM
Yes you are.

That's ultimately what you and every leftist is doing within this conversation: defund, disable, and disrespect police; act like a carrer thug criminal who just committed another crime is innocent and put them on a pedestal; burn, murder, loot, and commit crimes in the process of "protesting".

Wow... that is one gigantic straw man!
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Possum on April 16, 2021, 02:12:03 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 12:56:38 AM
The suspect could have access to a weapon... or he could not.  The car could be used as a weapon... or it could not.

If a government employee is going to end someone's life, I think there should be based on something more than "could", because you "could" find reason to kill people in virtually any situation.  There's the Daniel Shaver incident.  Dillon... Taylor?  I don't recall his last name.

I know the shooting wasn't intentional, but there are plenty of people (I'd bet on this forum) who honestly believe it's ok for police to kill people simply for not obeying commands or fleeing, despite the fact that this is no threat on the life of the officer.  I don't think that's ok.
Again, you are putting all the responsibility for the outcome on the police. It was not the police that made the suspect turn and run, try to get into the car, and try to either escape or to use a weapon. That is all on the suspect. It is the police who is risking his life to do a job, the suspect chooses to risk his life by committing the crime.  Answer this, had the suspect cooperated with the police, would he be alive today?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Sick Of Silence on April 16, 2021, 02:39:09 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 12:58:52 AM
Wow... that is one gigantic straw man!

That's what you are doing. Arguing what the police should do, and not what the criminal should do. Before we can fine tune the police, there has to be an overhaul of criminal behavior. It may be another discussion, but let's start with the generations of bad inner city culture, generations of single parenthood, and the generations of outside influence (media, politics, etc.)
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 03:21:49 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 16, 2021, 02:12:03 AM
Again, you are putting all the responsibility for the outcome on the police. It was not the police that made the suspect turn and run, try to get into the car, and try to either escape or to use a weapon. That is all on the suspect. It is the police who is risking his life to do a job, the suspect chooses to risk his life by committing the crime.  Answer this, had the suspect cooperated with the police, would he be alive today?

I'm putting the responsibility of using deadly force when it's appropriate which is when the officer's, or another person's, life is threatened.

What are your thoughts on the Michael Slager shooting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6UzGIxQ_Qg



Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Possum on April 16, 2021, 03:56:21 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 03:21:49 AM
I'm putting the responsibility of using deadly force when it's appropriate which is when the officer's, or another person's, life is threatened.

What are your thoughts on the Michael Slager shooting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6UzGIxQ_Qg
I think the court system will have the opportunity to decide whether the officer is guilty of murder. The system will also have the opportunity to hear all the facts and not make a decision based on a youtube video. But again, had the suspect not resisted arrest this youtube probably would have never made the news. But what are your thoughts? Should we condemn the police based off of one youtube?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 04:12:20 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 16, 2021, 03:56:21 AM
I think the court system will have the opportunity to decide whether the officer is guilty of murder. The system will also have the opportunity to hear all the facts and not make a decision based on a youtube video. But again, had the suspect not resisted arrest this youtube probably would have never made the news. But what are your thoughts? Should we condemn the police based off of one youtube?

What do you think about the shooting?  Justified or not?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Possum on April 16, 2021, 04:14:04 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 04:12:20 AM
What do you think about the shooting?  Justified or not?
I am not about to make a decision without knowing the facts, did you not get that from my response. Are you willing to condemn the police based off of one youtube.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 04:22:29 AM
Based on what you see in the video, acknowledging that there could be other details that change your opinion, do you think the shooting is justified?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: RedGirlinBlueMd on April 16, 2021, 04:27:42 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 03:21:49 AM
I'm putting the responsibility of using deadly force when it's appropriate which is when the officer's, or another person's, life is threatened.


Do you put any responsibility on the "alleged criminal"?  What about his responsibility?  His choices created the situation.  Do you think anyone choosing to flee from police is unaware that they could end up dead? 
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Hoofer on April 16, 2021, 04:32:35 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 16, 2021, 04:14:04 AM
I am not about to make a decision without knowing the facts, did you not get that from my response. Are you willing to condemn the police based off of one youtube.
Why of course, when the Liberal narrative is, "all cops are murders", as the starting template - the cop has to be proven as good as an angel in heaven *then* we need to check their fakebook page (sorry, only criminals get their FB pages scrubbed) - no matter what those Youtube videos show, let's not get carried away!   Facts are not facts for everyone, we're each entitled to our *own* set of facts, like Cops are always guilty first!

I know it sounds confusing, but that's part of being a Marxist, dilute & destroy the meaning of the language.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Possum on April 16, 2021, 04:32:58 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 04:22:29 AM
Based on what you see in the video, acknowledging that there could be other details that change your opinion, do you think the shooting is justified?
You are really dense, what part of my answer did you not understand? I do not think anyone can make that kind of decision based off one youtube. If you think you can, then that is part of the problem. Good day.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 04:42:49 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 16, 2021, 04:32:58 AM
You are really dense, what part of my answer did you not understand? I do not think anyone can make that kind of decision based off one youtube. If you think you can, then that is part of the problem. Good day.

I'm not asking for a final decision based on youtube.  Neither one of us is a juror, so our opinions mean nothing.  I'm just asking for your opinion on the few minutes of the video that you see.  I mean, certainly you had an opinion when you first watched it, right?  Do you have an issue with sharing that initial opinion?
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Possum on April 16, 2021, 04:58:54 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 04:42:49 AM
I'm not asking for a final decision based on youtube.  Neither one of us is a juror, so our opinions mean nothing.  I'm just asking for your opinion on the few minutes of the video that you see.  I mean, certainly you had an opinion when you first watched it, right?  Do you have an issue with sharing that initial opinion?
Part of the problem is too many people going off half cocked, forming opinions when they do not have all the facts. You posted the video to play "look at the bad cop surly everyone can see what a bad cop he is". I don't play make believe. I will reserve judgement for when all the facts are in. You too should try it. By the way, you never answered my question.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 05:09:36 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 16, 2021, 04:58:54 AM
Part of the problem is too many people going off half cocked, forming opinions when they do not have all the facts. You posted the video to play "look at the bad cop surly everyone can see what a bad cop he is". I don't play make believe. I will reserve judgement for when all the facts are in. You too should try it. By the way, you never answered my question.

No, I'm not going to condemn anyone based on an incomplete youtube video... not that my opinion matters if I did condemn him.  I'm not asking you to play make believe.  I'm not asking you to assume anything or manufacturer anything.  I'm simply asking, based only on what we see in the video, if you think the shooting was justified.

I will say that planting the taser next to the guy, does not paint the officer in a good light.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Solar on April 16, 2021, 05:15:53 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 03:21:49 AM
I'm putting the responsibility of using deadly force when it's appropriate which is when the officer's, or another person's, life is threatened.

What are your thoughts on the Michael Slager shooting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6UzGIxQ_Qg
Oh look, someone's moving the goal post. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 05:29:27 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 16, 2021, 05:15:53 AM
Oh look, someone's moving the goal post. :rolleyes:

Not at all.  I'm not saying these two situations are comparable at all.  I was just curious if there's any acknowledgement of an unacceptable police shooting and this happened to be the one that came to mind.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Mimsy on April 16, 2021, 05:33:28 AM
Democrats really wont be happy until criminals have total free reign over society and law abiding citizens are disarmed and defenseless against their poor little pet criminals. Democrats pretend they care sooooo much about "certain" peoples lives while dancing gleefully on mountains of aborted babies. but boo hoo for the poor little career criminals that make society a living hell for normal people.

These are just two of the reasons I despise Democrats! :cursing:

Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Possum on April 16, 2021, 06:21:39 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 05:09:36 AM
No, I'm not going to condemn anyone based on an incomplete youtube video... not that my opinion matters if I did condemn him.  I'm not asking you to play make believe.  I'm not asking you to assume anything or manufacturer anything.  I'm simply asking, based only on what we see in the video, if you think the shooting was justified.

I will say that planting the taser next to the guy, does not paint the officer in a good light.
And I will say again, if you are asking for my opinion, I wish to see more evidence. Period.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Solar on April 16, 2021, 06:25:59 AM
Quote from: p1tchblack on April 16, 2021, 05:29:27 AM
Not at all.  I'm not saying these two situations are comparable at all.  I was just curious if there's any acknowledgement of an unacceptable police shooting and this happened to be the one that came to mind.
Yes, you derailed the thread to fit your narrative! If you didn't know, this a banning offense, see it doesn't happen again!
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: RV on April 16, 2021, 06:46:06 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 16, 2021, 02:12:03 AM
Again, you are putting all the responsibility for the outcome on the police. It was not the police that made the suspect turn and run, try to get into the car, and try to either escape or to use a weapon. That is all on the suspect. It is the police who is risking his life to do a job, the suspect chooses to risk his life by committing the crime.  Answer this, had the suspect cooperated with the police, would he be alive today?

That is what all the liberals do as part of their "argument" to muzzle, defund, neuter and silence law enforcement. Liberal Democrats never see the criminal as at fault, it is always law enforcement. Innocent civilians are never supposed to defend themselves, I guess they are just supposed to roll over and allow the criminal to steal, assault, rape or murder them. If the criminal is killed in the process, it is the officer's fault. If the officer is killed, it is still her/his fault because they should have "prevented" it, it is a no win situation as far as Democrats are concerned.
Title: Re: Black suspect In twin cities suburb shot while resisting
Post by: Pop Daddy on April 17, 2021, 01:32:45 AM
Quote from: Mimsy on April 16, 2021, 05:33:28 AM
Democrats really wont be happy until criminals have total free reign over society and law abiding citizens are disarmed and defenseless against their poor little pet criminals. Democrats pretend they care sooooo much about "certain" peoples lives while dancing gleefully on mountains of aborted babies. but boo hoo for the poor little career criminals that make society a living hell for normal people.

These are just two of the reasons I despise Democrats! :cursing:

Absolutely.  Libtards/leftist/marxist/reprobates all of which move through life without a care.  They got participation trophies for showing up.  The self esteem was always pampered.  But they never lived in the real world.  Then they get on the receiving end of a crime and all of a sudden they can now see the picture, well not all of them, but many.  Until then they "feel" like all lives matter.  Yet let one of them get robbed, raped or assaulted and they will demand answers, "why is that animal not locked up?".  Well, because good intentioned libtards like you thought the police were being mean so we just let the criminals back out on the street.  Look at Portlandia, burn, loot and assault, get arrested, again, sign the paper work and back out on the street they go to do it again the next night.

So my money is on law enforcement, if they shoot a career criminal, oh well, sucks to be a thug I guess.  But as is the case with navel gazers a police gives up his right to life when he puts on a badge.  No, that officer has the same right to return home safe from work.  Law enforcement know the scum bags.  It's really easy to tell when a rabid dog needs to be put down before it can bite someone else.

In some families with generations all living in the same projects, the spawn of these animals have no value to society.  But as a victim of "police brutality" the worthless career thug can be worth millions to the family dead.  Didn't the family of that worthless bum Floyd get like 25 million?  That's good money for a career thug, in fact, I'd say he was over valued by about 25 million.

When you consider the fact that this idiot in Brooklyn Center got shot, he really needed it.  Talk about stupid.  Where in the hell did he think he was going to run to?  With his girlfriend in the car?  Trust me, the stupid bastard is better off dead, he doesn't have to re learn how to tie his shoes every morning now.

I was robbed by one of these career thugs, a guy I knew since the 6th grade who lived right next door.  His career ended in a shoot out with the CA highway patrol some years back, he's now doing life in Folsom.  Had he been put down many years earlier it could have spared a lot of victims.  Self esteem does not cure thug life, only death.