I find it interesting that Carson only made four campaign stops last month, yet his poll numbers doubled, went up to as high as 15%.
Does this correlates with Bush's plummet to the bottom of polling?
I make the connection to RINO due to a couple of issues of ignorance he displayed when interviewed by the Hill and Beck.
Quote"I would probably be in favor of taking that $4 billion a year we spend on oil subsidies and using that in new fueling stations for 30 percent ethanol blends."
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/241176-carson-in-iowa-use-oil-subsidies-for-ethanol
The other was when he said some time back regarding his ignorance on the Second Amendment.
Quote"I think if you live in the midst of a lot of people, and I'm afraid that that semi-automatic weapon is going to fall into the hands of a crazy person, I would rather you not have it."
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/conservative-hero-ben-carson-to-beck-you-have-no-right-to-semi-automatic-weapons-in-large-cities/
I don't know if my theory is correct, but the rise in his poll numbers and his lack of exposure seems to be directly related to a lack of support for Jeb.
Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but I just don't see the necessary experience to be in the WH. Let alone his lack of core principals being displayed where our Rights and liberties are concerned.
Why is he even considered a serious candidate except he's seen as somewhat Conservative with the "right" color skin? If he were white, he wouldn'tbe taken sseriously by the he Conservatives.
Surgeon General in the Cruz Administration. THAT is his proper place.
Quote from: carlb on September 05, 2015, 09:43:27 AM
Why is he even considered a serious candidate except he's seen as somewhat Conservative with the "right" color skin? If he were white, he wouldn'tbe taken sseriously by the he Conservatives.
Surgeon General in the Cruz Administration. THAT is his proper place.
I never really considered it, but you're probably right, it's all about skin color.
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2015, 09:11:09 AM
I find it interesting that Carson only made four campaign stops last month, yet his poll numbers doubled, went up to as high as 15%.
Does this correlates with Bush's plummet to the bottom of polling?
I make the connection to RINO due to a couple of issues of ignorance he displayed when interviewed by the Hill and Beck.
The other was when he said some time back regarding his ignorance on the Second Amendment.
I don't know if my theory is correct, but the rise in his poll numbers and his lack of exposure seems to be directly related to a lack of support for Jeb.
Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but I just don't see the necessary experience to be in the WH. Let alone his lack of core principals being displayed where our Rights and liberties are concerned.
I find it very early yet. It's the games the LSM plays. There a lot like trolls throwing poo hoping it will stick.
Quote from: walkstall on September 05, 2015, 10:39:28 AM
I find it very early yet. It's the games the LSM plays. There a lot like trolls throwing poo hoping it will stick.
They have yet to Palinize a single candidate, but mark my word, it's coming, and most likely Cruz will be the target.
Truth is, the only ones that'll take the LSM seriously is the libs, while the rest of us vote in anger and destroy the Marxists.
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2015, 11:36:03 AM
They have yet to Palinize a single candidate, but mark my word, it's coming, and most likely Cruz will be the target.
Truth is, the only ones that'll take the LSM seriously is the libs, while the rest of us vote in anger and destroy the Marxists.
As I said it's early yet. I see Cruz talking it up with the people he know he can reach without spending a lot of money. He will need that money down the road for his big push in the LSM aids at the right time. It's like building a wall, one brick at a time.
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2015, 09:11:09 AM
I find it interesting that Carson only made four campaign stops last month, yet his poll numbers doubled, went up to as high as 15%.
Does this correlates with Bush's plummet to the bottom of polling?
I make the connection to RINO due to a couple of issues of ignorance he displayed when interviewed by the Hill and Beck.
The other was when he said some time back regarding his ignorance on the Second Amendment.
I don't know if my theory is correct, but the rise in his poll numbers and his lack of exposure seems to be directly related to a lack of support for Jeb.
Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but I just don't see the necessary experience to be in the WH. Let alone his lack of core principals being displayed where our Rights and liberties are concerned.
That is interesting, especially in light of this Splitter Strategy Sundance talks about: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/22/tripwire-alert-evidence-now-exists-to-show-benefit-of-gope-road-mapped-splitter-strategy/
AND the article that came out saying Carson supports amnesty:( http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/09/ben_carson_supports_citizenship_for_illegal_aliens.html
Sorry, I hit post too soon;/ I just wanted to say, as time passes it becomes very clear that the establishment want Bush and they will have him no matter the cost. It is near impossible for anyone other than Trump to win because people like Cruz are diluted by other candidates.
Quote from: Boudica on September 05, 2015, 12:07:48 PM
That is interesting, especially in light of this Splitter Strategy Sundance talks about: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/22/tripwire-alert-evidence-now-exists-to-show-benefit-of-gope-road-mapped-splitter-strategy/
Yeah, I posted a thread on this last week, nd it's also evident., their plan is failing miserably.
QuoteAND the article that came out saying Carson supports amnesty:( http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/09/ben_carson_supports_citizenship_for_illegal_aliens.html
OUCH! :lol:
QuoteSorry, I hit post too soon;/ I just wanted to say, as time passes it becomes very clear that the establishment want Bush and they will have him no matter the cost. It is near impossible for anyone other than Trump to win because people like Cruz are diluted by other candidates.
Nah, Trump will fade and Cruz will be the beneficiary. Be patient. :wink:
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2015, 09:58:02 AM
I never really considered it, but you're probably right, it's all about skin color.
Right or wrong Carson really comes across soft spoken, intelligent and just a likable guy! It's not his skin color but what and how he presents himself! He doesn't have the fire in the belly required of our president but he is a genuine likable guy regardless of his race!
Quote from: redbeard on September 05, 2015, 01:32:21 PM
Right or wrong Carson really comes across soft spoken, intelligent and just a likable guy! It's not his skin color but what and how he presents himself! He doesn't have the fire in the belly required of our president but he is a genuine likable guy regardless of his race!
I agree, but that doesn't explain the poll numbers, especially when you consider he has absolutely no experience.
I have a feeling his support, numbers and money, is coming from the GOPe.
He's unsettled on the issues. He's not pro 2nd Amendment. There are other issues. If he were white, he wouldn't be getting this kind of support.
http://redmaryland.com/2015/05/stop-pretending-ben-carson-is-a-conservative/
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2015, 01:48:59 PM
I agree, but that doesn't explain the poll numbers, especially when you consider he has absolutely no experience.
I have a feeling his support, numbers and money, is coming from the GOPe.
People leaving the bush, Crusty and the other RINO camps must be moving to Carson. Carson has some middle road conservative values. He is anti abortion and claims to support the second amendment! He may be wishy washy on gun rights, I don't Know, but He doesn't impress me as a liar either!
Quote from: redbeard on September 05, 2015, 02:31:38 PM
People leaving the bush, Crusty and the other RINO camps must be moving to Carson. Carson has some middle road conservative values. He is anti abortion and claims to support the second amendment! He may be wishy washy on gun rights, I don't Know, but He doesn't impress me as a liar either!
That's how I see it as well, that as the other RINO face plant, he gains supporters.
And no, I don't think he's a liar either.
I believe that Carson is a great person, probably would function best as Surgeon General and even then he would have to bone up on what was expected of him. What we don't want is someone that is only familiar with the workings of government, especially in the presidential seat. We can't have someone as president who will have to take his first 4 years as a tutorial event. :glare:
Ben is popular because he is a nice guy, intelligent and very likeable I like him too but liking someone doesn't mean he'd make a good President. He is a brilliant Doctor, and Doctors tend to be humanitarian. Sometimes too humanitarian, would he be tough enough to deal with the real sharks in this world....Putin, Iran, the Chinese, the insane NORK's????
His strong point is going to be dealing with Obamaocare....Now years ago I heard his "plan" on "Replacing healthcare" it involved some sort of account begining (forced no doubt) and when they begin working they pay it off now the person has a health care account just like social security...I really don't like the sound of that.
Now he might have modified that somewhat over the years but I think this guy is a Moderate (code name RINO) not an elitist or a socialist but a mild conservative of some sort.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 05, 2015, 05:27:08 PM
Ben is popular because he is a nice guy, intelligent and very likeable I like him too but liking someone doesn't mean he'd make a good President. He is a brilliant Doctor, and Doctors tend to be humanitarian. Sometimes too humanitarian, would he be tough enough to deal with the real sharks in this world....Putin, Iran, the Chinese, the insane NORK's????
His strong point is going to be dealing with Obamaocare....Now years ago I heard his "plan" on "Replacing healthcare" it involved some sort of account begining (forced no doubt) and when they begin working they pay it off now the person has a health care account just like social security...I really don't like the sound of that.
Now he might have modified that somewhat over the years but I think this guy is a Moderate (code name RINO) not an elitist or a socialist but a mild conservative of some sort.
Good description.
QuoteTrump Keeps Lead in New Fla. Poll as Carson Jumps to Second Place
Donald Trump continues to lead the 17 Republican presidential candidates in Florida, but retired pediatric neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson has jumped to just four points behind the billionaire developer, according to a new survey.
But two Sunshine State politicians in the primary race, former Gov. Jeb Bush and Sen. Marco Rubio, immediately trail the two front-runners, with Bush falling to third place in the survey for Morris News Service.
Trump led the survey of 498 adults, at 29 percent, with Carson finishing at 25 percent. Bush was next, at 19 percent, with Rubio following, at 6 percent.
The survey's results were published Thursday in The Savannah Morning News. It was conducted by Atlanta-based OpinionSavvy research firm and has a margin of error of 4 percent.
"Trump's strongest support by far comes from the youngest of voters (age 18-29)," said OpinionSavvy pollster Matt Towery. "But he also seems to be strong with those aged 45-64, a potent segment of Florida GOP primary voters.
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/trump-leads-florida-poll/2015/09/05/id/673780/#ixzz3kvO7D26w
Trump and Carson beating Bush and Rubio heavily in "FLORIDA"! Wow! Jeb and Rubio are in real trouble if they can't carry their home state!
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 05, 2015, 05:27:08 PM
Now he might have modified that somewhat over the years but I think this guy is a Moderate (code name RINO) not an elitist or a socialist but a mild conservative of some sort.
Well Ben Carson on the issues have him as a Conservative Libertarian. I like him and there are things that concern me about him. He's different. He was a Democrat and then an Independent. Doesn't say when he became a Republican.
Strongly objects to abortion but only comes out at banning after 20 wks. Same as Fiorina. He strongly objects to abortion for convenience. I thought that he would come out stronger on this issues.
Another concern is Crime. Has some Obama sounding elements to it. Although I did like that he is against welfare. Don't work your on your own. He comes from the city (Detroit) so I think his views are shaped by what he saw growing up.
He falls on immigration which is one of the biggest issues for me. Interesting he referred to Canada. Would have to see what their immigration policies are.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on September 05, 2015, 09:20:49 PM
Well Ben Carson on the issues have him as a Conservative Libertarian. I like him and there are things that concern me about him. He's different. He was a Democrat and then an Independent. Doesn't say when he became a Republican.
Strongly objects to abortion but only comes out at banning after 20 wks. Same as Fiorina. He strongly objects to abortion for convenience. I thought that he would come out stronger on this issues.
Another concern is Crime. Has some Obama sounding elements to it. Although I did like that he is against welfare. Don't work your on your own. He comes from the city (Detroit) so I think his views are shaped by what he saw growing up.
He falls on immigration which is one of the biggest issues for me. Interesting he referred to Canada. Would have to see what their immigration policies are.
So we don't know witch way his door will swings from one day to the next. :ohmy:
I stand by my first point (2nd post). But n Carson is the black Mr Rogers. If he were running, he wouldn't be taken seriously by Conservatives.
So aside from his one real accomplishment as a talented surgeon, what has he done to qualify as potential POTUS?
Spoke at a prayer breakfast....
Well that clinches it. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2015, 04:56:50 AM
So aside from his one real accomplishment as a talented surgeon, what has he done to qualify as potential POTUS?
Spoke at a prayer breakfast....
Well that clinches it. :rolleyes:
Yep. Nobody'ssaying hhe's not a great man who overcame great obstacles in his life and became a great success in his field. He's just not my next president.
Quote from: carlb on September 06, 2015, 05:09:09 AM
Yep. Nobody'ssaying hhe's not a great man who overcame great obstacles in his life and became a great success in his field. He's just not my next president.
Yeah, chosen speaker at a prayer breakfast, invited by the GOP'e to speak, and no one makes the RINO connection in backing a no name candidate?
He comes out of nowhere, has never been elected to office of any kind, has no proven leadership skills, yet we're supposed to take this guy as a serious contender?
I believe the truth is, he's the Establishments guy designed to syphon votes off from TEA.
Once again, the RINO underestimate the base, and tossed out a candidate that siphoned off BUSH supporters.
Talk about shooting themselves in the foot. :lol:
??? vote from me. From the Beck interview:
"Appearing on Glenn Beck's radio show this past week, Dr. Benjamin Carson took a vastly different stance from most conservatives on the issue of gun control, claiming you shouldn't be able to own semi-automatic weapons in large cities."
But when asked whether people should be allowed to own "semi-automatic weapons," the doctor replied: "It depends on where you live."
"I think if you live in the midst of a lot of people, and I'm afraid that that semi-automatic weapon is going to fall into the hands of a crazy person, I would rather you not have it," Carson elaborated.
However, if you live "out in the country somewhere by yourself" and want to own a semi-automatic weapon, he added, "I've no problem with that."
Interpretation: "I can't trust the STUPID PEOPLE that live in cities, we need to limit their freedom."
My take: remove all potentially harmful weapons, guns, kitchen knives, cars, and BBQ grills so nobody can be hurt. Put the entire populace on lock-down, because it's better to live in a safe society (and violate everyone's rights) than risk ONE criminal might be loose and kill someone. People that live in the cities NEVER leave their area, and neither do country folk. Safety for Freedom argument.
Carson is a quick study, I expect him to come up with another answer, but would it be against or for the 2nd amendment? The interview was done BEFORE he decided to run for Prez...
The rest of the interview is worth watching. His answers are quick and to the point.
We now know what happens to a country that disarms itself on the promise it would be defended - Ukraine.
Quote from: carlb on September 05, 2015, 09:43:27 AM
Surgeon General in the Cruz Administration. THAT is his proper place.
Surgeon General and Secretary of Health and Human Services are two different positions.
Surgeon General is two steps below Sec. of HHS on the organization chart.
Basically, the Surgeon General is in charge of only fighting disease outbreaks.
I'd be okay with Ben Carson as Sec. of HHS.
But I wouldn't want him to be President,
for the same reasons others on this thread have cited.
Quote from: je_freedom on September 06, 2015, 06:30:25 PM
Surgeon General and Secretary of Health and Human Services are two different positions.
Surgeon General is two steps below Sec. of HHS on the organization chart.
Basically, the Surgeon General is in charge of only fighting disease outbreaks.
I'd be okay with Ben Carson as Sec. of HHS.
But I wouldn't want him to be President,
for the same reasons others on this thread have cited.
Both positions need to be eliminated, they serve no real purpose.
I wonder how much Carson support comes from Healthcare, Big Pharmaceuticals, and the AMA?
That might explain the black face. Recall, not so long ago, Cruz had the Washington cartel quite concerned.