http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598
QuoteBen Carson's campaign on Friday admitted, in a response to an inquiry from POLITICO, that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.
The academy has occupied a central place in Carson's tale for years. According to a story told in Carson's book, "Gifted Hands," the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson's telling, was followed by a "full scholarship" to the military academy.
West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.
If true, bye bye Dr Carson...
Quote from: Tacoma on November 06, 2015, 09:21:49 AM
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598
If true, bye bye Dr Carson...
Rush is talking about this now. There is more to the story.
Even embellishing is considered a lie, especially where one uses it for gain.
Gosh....a left wing website attacks Carson's credibility.
Who would have thunk it?
Quote"Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit,"
"They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission."
So he was told they could get him in based on his performance, but he chose not to apply for it, so that makes him a liar?
Quote from: Dori on November 06, 2015, 10:13:41 AM
Gosh....a left wing website attacks Carson's credibility.
Who would have thunk it?
So he was told they could get him in based on his performance, but he chose not to apply for it, so that makes him a liar?
If there was nothing to this then why did the campaign admit that the story he told wasn't true? Seems there is something to it and if in fact there is then he needs to go.
Quote from: AmericanMom on November 06, 2015, 10:34:50 AM
If there was nothing to this then why did the campaign admit that the story he told wasn't true? Seems there is something to it and if in fact there is then he needs to go.
That puzzled me as well AM. I have a feeling this will do serious damage to his campaign.
This is why CNN had been doing the hit piece on his other, largely impossible to verify stories regarding temper and knife attacks, they knew this was coming and they used it to nail his ass to the tree, I watched Carson on FNC state directly into the camera that its up to the American people to decide if he is the pathological liar that CNN was portraying, then less then 24-hours later this story was broken, forcing his campaign to admit to an outright fabrication of what is rightly qualified as a central theme to his personal story!
That Dr Carson is democratic party controlled "gotcha journalism," and you walked right into its maw...
Hmm...
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/359961.php
Quote from: Dori on November 06, 2015, 10:13:41 AM
Gosh....a left wing website attacks Carson's credibility.
Who would have thunk it?
So he was told they could get him in based on his performance, but he chose not to apply for it, so that makes him a liar?
Of course it does! Any time a Republican says anything that can be challenged in any way, it's a "lie" according to the Left. Though it isn't as if he said he was from an entirely different country.
Quote from: walkstall on November 06, 2015, 11:04:34 AM
Hmm...
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/359961.php
The problem with your links opinion is that the Carson campaign has already issued their recantation of the West Point story, such has been reported widely, including on FNC just an hour ago. If all is as reported and recanted, then Carson brazenly embellished the West Point story line, and worse, has been for years!
Such is precisely what Brian Williams was doing for NBC, lying about his personal history and experiences....
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2015, 10:40:37 AM
That puzzled me as well AM. I have a feeling this will do serious damage to his campaign.
Well well...Maybe they did not??
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/06/team-carson-politico-story-is-an-outright-lie/ (http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/06/team-carson-politico-story-is-an-outright-lie/)
Erickson is doing a 180.....
http://www.redstate.com/2015/11/06/the-beginning-of-ben-carsons-end/
I could excuse an embellishment that went something like "General says he could get kid in on full scholarship" being interpreted as "Offered full scholarship"
But if this part is true...
Quote"according to records of Westmoreland's schedule that were provided by the U.S. Army, the general did not visit Detroit around Memorial Day in 1969 or have dinner with Carson. In fact, the general's records suggest he was in Washington that day and played tennis at 6:45 p.m."
Carson is going to be on Hannity's radio show...
Lets be honest, this was a racially motivated attack by the left.
Look at every Dim in their party, not one can hold a candle next to Carson, their lead candidate is a walking scandal, yet somehow we're supposed to hold Carson to a higher level.
I am in no way a Carson fan politically, but he's a good man regardless.
With that said, it's up to Carson to fight, and if he loses, that's OK too, that leaves a RINO, a chameleon and a Constitutional conservative, and we all know who is most qualified.
Cruz 2016...
Listening to Carson on Hannity right now. Yeah, it looks like Politico lied outright. Wow.
It's just weird when you can't trust a story from a news site. Oh well, I won't trust them anymore.
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2015, 01:10:46 PM
Lets be honest, this was a racially motivated attack by the left.
Look at every Dim in their party, not one can hold a candle next to Carson, their lead candidate is a walking scandal, yet somehow we're supposed to hold Carson to a higher level.
I am in no way a Carson fan politically, but he's a good man regardless.
With that said, it's up to Carson to fight, and if he loses, that's OK too, that leaves a RINO, a chameleon and a Constitutional conservative, and we all know who is most qualified.
Cruz 2016...
Hillary Clinton's Legacy of Scandal
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/06/hillary_clintons_legacy_of_scandal.html
Here they are: Hillary's 22 biggest scandals ever
more @
http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they-are-hillarys-22-biggest-scandals-ever/#TUGWc3JtAFFImkFe.99
Looks like Politico is trying to edit the story:
http://www.redstate.com/2015/11/06/politico-outright-lies-ben-carson/
Quote from: walkstall on November 06, 2015, 01:21:57 PM
Hillary Clinton's Legacy of Scandal
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/06/hillary_clintons_legacy_of_scandal.html
Here they are: Hillary's 22 biggest scandals ever
more @
http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they-are-hillarys-22-biggest-scandals-ever/#TUGWc3JtAFFImkFe.99
Exactly! And we're supposed to throw Carson under the bus for leftist bull shit?
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2015, 01:28:15 PM
Exactly! And we're supposed to throw Carson under the bus for leftist bull shit?
Trump is being a total ass to Carson. It's getting rediculous.
Quote from: taxed on November 06, 2015, 01:35:13 PM
Trump is being a total ass to Carson. It's getting rediculous.
Hell, this may boost Carson' numbers.
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2015, 01:28:15 PM
Exactly! And we're supposed to throw Carson under the bus for leftist bull shit?
The left is not done, they have this year and next year yet!!
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2015, 01:37:21 PM
Hell, this may boost Carson' numbers.
I liked him at the beginning. Now I don't like him. I may not buy any more Trump ties.
Quote from: taxed on November 06, 2015, 01:40:33 PM
I liked him at the beginning. Now I don't like him. I may not buy any more Trump ties.
:lol:
I never liked the guy, but his ties and suit collection is rather nice, but then, I haven't worn a suit and tie in 3 decades.
Looks like West Point does refer to scholarships:
https://twitter.com/morgenr/status/662699371541065728/photo/1
This has to be the biggest fail by a news site in a long time.
Quote from: taxed on November 06, 2015, 01:47:57 PM
Looks like West Point does refer to scholarships:
https://twitter.com/morgenr/status/662699371541065728/photo/1
This has to be the biggest fail by a news site in a long time.
Well, at least since the debates on CNBC. :lol:
Remember when Hussein denied ever having met the Communist terrorist Bill Ayers? Gee, yet the media was dead silent on that.
The liberal democrats want a lie to be true so bad they would go to any lengths to accomplish that. That's their Impossible Dream .
Quote from: Bronx on November 06, 2015, 02:03:51 PM
The liberal democrats want a lie to be true so bad they would go to any lengths to accomplish that. That's their Impossible Dream .
What matters to them isn't that it was a lie, its how much traction they can get out of it.. The left has to destroy Carson, he is after all a black man running as a Republican.
Quote from: AmericanMom on November 06, 2015, 02:37:15 PM
What matters to them isn't that it was a lie, its how much traction they can get out of it.. The left has to destroy Carson, he is after all a black man running as a Republican.
I think that is more like running as a RINO. But that's my way of thinking.
It's a non-story now, as Politico's story-related gaffes are becoming the story.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/06/five-serious-questions-about-politicos-hit-on-ben-carsons-west-point-story/
Quote from: taxed on November 06, 2015, 11:43:16 AM
Erickson is doing a 180.....
http://www.redstate.com/2015/11/06/the-beginning-of-ben-carsons-end/
Fascinating, this begins to look like a coordinated attack, one clearly staged by the DNC hate machine(hate any black not chained to the democratic party)...
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2015, 01:28:15 PM
Exactly! And we're supposed to throw Carson under the bus for leftist bull shit?
In 1968 a letter from Westmoreland would assure a young 17 year old straight "A" Black student a seat in West Point! Unless someone can show the Westmoreland story if fabricated and he didn't had dinner with the general, It looks to me that the whole story is true.
I find it Uber amusing (well maybe not) that this is the best the left can do, imply that Dr Carson is lying about west Point when in fact He NEVER APPLIED and NEVER ATTENDED as the originial POLITICO hit piece seems to suggest. In those days west Point was not a place you "just applied" you had to have the SPONSORSHIP of a Congressman or a HIGH GOVT OFFICIAL. It is quite possible that Westmorland and Dr Carson did meet and it is possible the General suggested he apply, however the exact conversation, dates etc might be a little blurry after 45 or so years.
Did they scrutinize Obamao this way....No....do they ignore Hilary blantant lies and short comings....yes.
They are looking for dirt and when they can;t find any they fabricate it.
Next they'll trot out some lying Bimbo who will claim they've had a torrid affair for years.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 06, 2015, 04:50:17 PM
I find it Uber amusing (well maybe not) that this is the best the left can do, imply that Dr Carson is lying about west Point when in fact He NEVER APPLIED and NEVER ATTENDED as the originial POLITICO hit piece seems to suggest. In those days west Point was not a place you "just applied" you had to have the SPONSORSHIP of a Congressman or a HIGH GOVT OFFICIAL. It is quite possible that Westmorland and Dr Carson did meet and it is possible the General suggested he apply, however the exact conversation, dates etc might be a little blurry after 45 or so years.
Did they scrutinize Obamao this way....No....do they ignore Hilary blantant lies and short comings....yes.
They are looking for dirt and when they can;t find any they fabricate it.
Next they'll trot out some lying Bimbo who will claim they've had a torrid affair for years.
Long dong silver! (Clarence Thomas) Or Cain's bimbo eruption! The left will hang Carson to a tree because they can't stand a real successful Black republican! Their attacks on Carson won't be complete until they find that illicit affair in his past because they know it's there! In the Liberal mind all blacks are sex offenders. We predicted they would do this to Cain before they found the dirt! The KKK and the lynch mobs still rule in the democrat party! :angry:
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 06, 2015, 04:50:17 PM
I find it Uber amusing (well maybe not) that this is the best the left can do, imply that Dr Carson is lying about west Point when in fact He NEVER APPLIED and NEVER ATTENDED as the originial POLITICO hit piece seems to suggest. In those days west Point was not a place you "just applied" you had to have the SPONSORSHIP of a Congressman or a HIGH GOVT OFFICIAL. It is quite possible that Westmorland and Dr Carson did meet and it is possible the General suggested he apply, however the exact conversation, dates etc might be a little blurry after 45 or so years.
Did they scrutinize Obamao this way....No....do they ignore Hilary blantant lies and short comings....yes.
They are looking for dirt and when they can;t find any they fabricate it.
Next they'll trot out some lying Bimbo who will claim they've had a torrid affair for years.
Next thing they'll pull is a NASA document void of Carson' name, proving that he indeed, he never flew to the moon.
Hey Carson, "Still beat the wife"?
God the left is incorrigible.
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2015, 05:38:55 PM
Next thing they'll pull is a NASA document void of Carson' name, proving that he indeed, he never flew to the moon.
Hey Carson, "Still beat the wife"?
God the left is incorrigible.
Also remember Mr. Carson did not become a brain surgeon on his own. (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.army.ca%2Fforums%2FSmileys%2FArmyca%2Fsarcasm.gif&hash=429f4baaebfbe7d9fa0163040d18e6a394ae7097)
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 06, 2015, 04:50:17 PM
I find it Uber amusing (well maybe not) that this is the best the left can do, imply that Dr Carson is lying about west Point when in fact He NEVER APPLIED and NEVER ATTENDED as the originial POLITICO hit piece seems to suggest. In those days west Point was not a place you "just applied" you had to have the SPONSORSHIP of a Congressman or a HIGH GOVT OFFICIAL. It is quite possible that Westmorland and Dr Carson did meet and it is possible the General suggested he apply, however the exact conversation, dates etc might be a little blurry after 45 or so years.
Did they scrutinize Obamao this way....No....do they ignore Hilary blantant lies and short comings....yes.
They are looking for dirt and when they can;t find any they fabricate it.
Next they'll trot out some lying Bimbo who will claim they've had a torrid affair for years.
Its not just the left, tonight on FNC's news hour with Brett Baer, George Will savaged Carson, all but implying he was a liar and or stupid, its still quite possible that this whole attack was staged by the RNC....
Looks like Ben won this one...
Quote from: Tacoma on November 06, 2015, 07:47:06 PM
Its not just the left, tonight on FNC's news hour with Brett Baer, George Will savaged Carson, all but implying he was a liar and or stupid, its still quite possible that this whole attack was staged by the RNC....
This sort of journalistic malpractice has been going on for a long time.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/news-board/fake-conservative-journalists/
Quote from: je_freedom on November 06, 2015, 11:38:13 PM
This sort of journalistic malpractice has been going on for a long time.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/news-board/fake-conservative-journalists/
Of course it has, but people are wising up. This will not stick to the wall and will be a non story by Monday.
I wonder if Levin will have Trump on anymore:
http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-sends-warning-to-any-republican-candidate-who-attacks-ben-carson-with-phony-media-attacks/
Quote from: je_freedom on November 06, 2015, 11:38:13 PM
This sort of journalistic malpractice has been going on for a long time.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/news-board/fake-conservative-journalists/
It was Krauthammer who first gave voice to the lunacy of NOT impeaching Obama because it would cost conservatives elections, he is the first person I know of to have proposed suing Obama! The senate under the leadership of Mitch McConnell has voted in favor of Obama supported policies and initiatives 93% of the time since being handed the majority, an enviable rate of accord by the standards of any Marxist in the democratic party to be sure! Boehner, held in excess of 40 mock repeal votes of Obamacare, then funded every last penny of it! I could of course go on and on, all is chimera, there is no opposition, or rather whatever true opposition still exists, has long since been safely compartmentalized, and then marginalized. We gave the republican party unprecedented, sweeping victories, not seen in some eighty years, we gave them the absolute ability to stop Obama, and the Marxist/Leninist democratic party dead in their collective tracks, they responded by giving both every last thing they wished for, they transformed Obama into the most powerful president on the domestic front in American history, such was not accomplished via bumbling happenstance, and its not for nothing that the Obama FCC has seized control of the internet...
Quote from: Tacoma on November 07, 2015, 10:31:26 AM
It was Krauthammer who first gave voice to the lunacy of NOT impeaching Obama because it would cost conservatives elections, he is the first person I know of to have proposed suing Obama! The senate under the leadership of Mitch McConnell has voted in favor of Obama supported policies and initiatives 93% of the time since being handed the majority, an enviable rate of accord by the standards of any Marxist in the democratic party to be sure! Boehner, held in excess of 40 mock repeal votes of Obamacare, then funded every last penny of it! I could of course go on and on, all is chimera, there is no opposition, or rather whatever true opposition still exists, has long since been safely compartmentalized, and then marginalized. We gave the republican party unprecedented, sweeping victories, not seen in some eighty years, we gave them the absolute ability to stop Obama, and the Marxist/Leninist democratic party dead in their collective tracks, they responded by giving both every last thing they wished for, they transformed Obama into the most powerful president on the domestic front in American history, such was not accomplished via bumbling happenstance, and its not for nothing that the Obama FCC has seized control of the internet...
Good summary, Tacoma!