Separation of School and State is the only workable answer, as is true for most problems facing the U.S. today.

Of course the average Yank is dumber than average....over 50% are Democrazies!!!

But seriously.....who values Education above propaganda?? It sure ain't "liberal" educators. Most wouldn't know the basics of grammar yet would consider a student "educated" if they say Obama is "kool".  There really is a need to get back to basics worldwide....reading, 'ritin' and 'rithmatic rather than reeling, writhing and rhythmic tics.

So sayeth the GREAT SAGE EQUAL OF HEAVEN!!

Greg

Quote from: gtopa1 on October 10, 2013, 02:16:47 AM
Most wouldn't know the basics of grammar yet would consider a student "educated" if they say Obama is "kool". 

There's a huge push in academia toward something called "Emotional IQ."  If a kid gets all excited about The Hope And Change Rainbow, that means he's expressing a healthy societal acclimation.  Of course, if he wears an NRA T-shirt, that means his feelings must be cleansed to keep him from upsetting the collective.

Liberal science is a return to core principles:  in with the good humors; out with the bad.

Quote from: Con4Evar on October 09, 2013, 04:23:33 PM
Work 9 months?  You obviously have no clue.

I always love seeing a 16-year-old telling all the 60-year-old's, who've had successful careers, families, military service.......that they have no clue about things.

Try to not post like a f**ktard.....................f**ktard.

Yes, any teacher who chooses to work 7.5 hours per day, 9 months per year.......CAN.  They suck, and get paid the same as the guys who go the extra mile, and can never be terminated, thanks to the unions.

Get rid of the ones who suck, spend the resulting funds surplus on the good ones.

Too difficult for liberals who think we need MORE than 12K per student per year.  lmao, what DO we need per student  ?  20K  ?  100K  ?

Quote from: AndyJackson on October 10, 2013, 08:07:58 AM
I always love seeing a 16-year-old telling all the 60-year-old's, who've had successful careers, families, military service.......that they have no clue about things.

Try to not post like a f**ktard.....................f**ktard.

Yes, any teacher who chooses to work 7.5 hours per day, 9 months per year.......CAN.  They suck, and get paid the same as the guys who go the extra mile, and can never be terminated, thanks to the unions.

Get rid of the ones who suck, spend the resulting funds surplus on the good ones.

Too difficult for liberals who think we need MORE than 12K per student per year.  lmao, what DO we need per student  ?  20K  ?  100K  ?

Gee Andy, just imagine the geniuses we could create if we spent a million per child.

These fools are so blinded, they willingly accept the narrative put out by the Unions, the party, they actually believe these people (unions/Dims) that are lining their pockets with taxpayer dollars, that by giving them more money will magically go to the students best interests.

I posted a chart exposing the fallacy that students reap the benefits of pouring money into a failed system, a system that needs to be scrapped.

Jeeeez, talk about the epitome of useful idiot, these people never stop and think for themselves.

Quote from: Solar on October 10, 2013, 08:20:43 AMGee Andy, just imagine the geniuses we could create if we spent a million per child.

Here's a basic logic question for you:  How is "No Child Left Behind" different from "No Child Gets Ahead?"

There is something called a Bell Curve.  That's how reality works.  Any attempt to flatten that out will only end up deterring initiative and truncating excellence.  That's just as true in education as it is business and pretty much every other human endeavor.

Geniuses may well be "created," but neither schools nor the government have anything to do with that process.  The best any society can hope to do is provide the opportunity for success, and then get the Hell out of the way.

Even if we could spend a million dollars per student, that would only cause a whole lot more of the problems we're seeing now.  The slower students will get sick of being aggravated and drop out; and the brighter students will be stultified into the just the kind of apathetic drones every Fully Transformed nation needs.

I think NCLB had at it's center a desire to make things better.  It brought a lot of new measurement tools to make the teaching pool suck less, due to the lowlifes / lazyasses.  Of course this was hated most by the establishment, but I think there was also a lot of other features that just created progressive-style bureaucracy growth.

We have the answer to the schools' problems.  Charters, vouchers, killing the unions and paying great teachers more than worthless ones.  Actually firing pedophiles and embezzlers, lol.

That's why the establishment is fighting those so hard, they'll work great and destroy yesterday's model that benefits only the union and union members.

I've seen the "everybody goes to college" state scholarships (typically used to usher in a lottery and other gambling, lol) concept falling apart too.  Most of the students last one semester, and now we have nobody entering the crafts.  Brilliant.

Quote from: kopema on October 10, 2013, 09:21:07 AM
Here's a basic logic question for you:  How is "No Child Left Behind" different from "No Child Gets Ahead?"

There is something called a Bell Curve.  That's how reality works.  Any attempt to flatten that out will only end up deterring initiative and truncating excellence.  That's just as true in education as it is business and pretty much every other human endeavor.

Geniuses may well be "created," but neither schools nor the government have anything to do with that process.  The best any society can hope to do is provide the opportunity for success, and then get the Hell out of the way.

Even if we could spend a million dollars per student, that would only cause a whole lot more of the problems we're seeing now.  The slower students will get sick of being aggravated and drop out; and the brighter students will be stultified into the just the kind of apathetic drones every Fully Transformed nation needs.

That's the point, Bush failed miserably when he gave Teddy complete control. Things have only gotten worse since that day.
I don't care if they spend 10 million per child, the results will be the same, the system is broken and needs to be scrapped and given to the private sector.

It's amazing, I just heard that even FDR said "Social security is temporary, to be replaced by private annuities".

I haven't confirmed it, but that's gotta be the best dagger in the heart for American socialists ever, if true.