Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 14, 2020, 10:41:04 AM
Much of the talk on the right has been that the mail in ballots could not be trusted. I'd think that those same people, would be in favor of adjudication of those ballots. I don't find that part suspicious.

Why? That just makes them more untrustworthy. I wld think you wld know that.

QuoteThere are many things that were presented in the report that can be corrected. But, like I said to sups, as long as we can still count and audit the physical ballots there's no reason for a re-vote.

Wrong. The point here is that most of it cannot be corrected. There is no paper trail left. We can never know an accurate count except that all cheating went bidens way.

QuoteAdditionally, Donald Trump won most of the counties that used Dominion Voting Machines, including the one audited in this report.

Fake news. No credible source provided.

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 14, 2020, 10:41:04 AM
Much of the talk on the right has been that the mail in ballots could not be trusted. I'd think that those same people, would be in favor of adjudication of those ballots. I don't find that part suspicious.

There are many things that were presented in the report that can be corrected. But, like I said to sups, as long as we can still count and audit the physical ballots there's no reason for a re-vote.

Additionally, Donald Trump won most of the counties that used Dominion Voting Machines, including the one audited in this report.

No clue, much?
You see, Corruptocrat, once the ballot is sent for adjudication, it can be manipulated by a single operator.  The deal isn't that the ballots were adjudicated, it is the Security Standards were such that any operator could switch those votes in mass, or just delete them.  There is no paper trail and no audit trail to hold people accountable.  IOW, the Minimum Security Standards were not met, even for a Simple Desktop Computer.  Forget that someone tried to wipe the Hard drives.
Those machines violate Voter Tabulation requirements.  They are simple Cheat Machines, designed to switch votes, with Impunity.  And on top of all that, they found 10,149 errors in that one machine.  It renders that an illegal device to be used in American Elections.  And each state being contested used those machines.  So, no one should be able to legally certify that election.  If they do, and it is found that they did so, nefariously, they could be charged with Sedition, or even Treason.  Sooner or Later, they'll nail one to the wall, and they will sing like a canary.  Then, heads will roll.
But, as it is, if you read the audit, you'd see that this election is a Fraud.  And that you are not admitting such is telling.
Either you are an American, or an enemy thereof.  Which is it?

Quote from: tiny1 on December 14, 2020, 11:29:08 AM
No clue, much?
You see, Corruptocrat, once the ballot is sent for adjudication, it can be manipulated by a single operator.  The deal isn't that the ballots were adjudicated, it is the Security Standards were such that any operator could switch those votes in mass, or just delete them.  There is no paper trail and no audit trail to hold people accountable.  IOW, the Minimum Security Standards were not met, even for a Simple Desktop Computer.  Forget that someone tried to wipe the Hard drives.
Those machines violate Voter Tabulation requirements.  They are simple Cheat Machines, designed to switch votes, with Impunity.  And on top of all that, they found 10,149 errors in that one machine.  It renders that an illegal device to be used in American Elections.  And each state being contested used those machines.  So, no one should be able to legally certify that election.  If they do, and it is found that they did so, nefariously, they could be charged with Sedition, or even Treason.  Sooner or Later, they'll nail one to the wall, and they will sing like a canary.  Then, heads will roll.
But, as it is, if you read the audit, you'd see that this election is a Fraud.  And that you are not admitting such is telling.
Either you are an American, or an enemy thereof.  Which is it?

I agree that there are things we can remedy, but you haven't addressed my points...

1. as long as we still have the physical ballots, we can audit and re-count those votes in a bi-partisan manner
2. Donald Trump won most of the counties that used Dominion Voting Machines, including the one audited in this report.

As far as accountability, if the physical ballots show a vast conspiracy then everyone gets fired and/or charged with a  crime.

Quote from: Dave on December 14, 2020, 10:22:36 AM
Who has the balls to rule this and other counties invalid.  All of the contested states, (6) the votes of the current counties under investigation in these states, should be invalidated entirely. Then let those counties law enforcement begin prosecuting all supervisors, all persons who had a hand in this fraud be prosecuted. That is the only way to prevent this debacle ever happening again. 
State legislatures should also prosecute  governors ,election officials, or sec of states for overtly violating their own state constitutions.  As it stands now, any person or group of persons can subvert the state constitution with changes and get away with them.  The voters in these states should immediately begin recall of these elected judges on their state supreme courts. If not elected then they should be removed for malfeasance.

If what happened in 2020 is allowed to stand we have already lost this country to the whims of any dictator.
It is amazing that even with the media in full frontal attack for 4 years, with the corrupt democratic party,Big Tech, as well as academia, Hollywood and the elites of the Republican party, he would have won, except the democrats knew they could not win without extra help, For three months they were able to change election laws and built in the fraud.
Trump would have also won if the democratic voters had the advantage of reading other news sources they would have know about Hunter Biden, even wit press and Big Tech censorship.  A poll shows that about 10% of those who voted for Biden would not hav voted for him, that's 8 million votes.

Agree, the GOP have played the party switch for decades, always moving leftward with every consecutive election, they are scum, which is why we will not relinquish power, regardless.

You exposed the lefts Achilles Heel and why we will never see the left in power again. Trump won, no doubt about it, and this will never happen ever again.

I suspect a hybrid system in the future, where actual paper ballots are counted the old fashion way, then run through a tabulator as a secondary check, with each vote being scanned for all the security features assigned to that particular voter, as well as cross referencing voter registration.
All done under the guard of several sets of eyes all the while being broadcast live on the Internet.

Trump is not going to retreat, we won and that's that, for libs to think otherwise is delusional.

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 14, 2020, 11:43:23 AM
I agree that there are things we can remedy, but you haven't addressed my points...

1. as long as we still have the physical ballots, we can audit and re-count those votes in a bi-partisan manner
2. Donald Trump won most of the counties that used Dominion Voting Machines, including the one audited in this report.

As far as accountability, if the physical ballots show a vast conspiracy then everyone gets fired and/or charged with a  crime.

And you havent addressed my point.

1) There is no physical ballot trial, cheating destroyed that, and the left wont allow a full audit.
2)You have shown no proof Trump won most of the counties using dominion.
     2a) On top of that, trump own words show that the dems cheating with dominion didnt account for trumps landslide victory and thus didnt cheat hard enough on election day. Thus even if this were true it is a moot point.

Now will you respond or continue to obfuscate?

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 14, 2020, 11:43:23 AM
I agree that there are things we can remedy, but you haven't addressed my points...

1. as long as we still have the physical ballots, we can audit and re-count those votes in a bi-partisan manner
2. Donald Trump won most of the counties that used Dominion Voting Machines, including the one audited in this report.

As far as accountability, if the physical ballots show a vast conspiracy then everyone gets fired and/or charged with a  crime.

How do you know which fraudulent ballots are which?

Of course Trump won in most counties...it was a landslide....

Quote from: tiny1 on December 14, 2020, 10:28:37 AM
Well, I have read the entire audit. 
A Security nightmare.  a 68.05% error range,(standard is .0008%) indicates intentional manipulation, but that ain't all.  ALL mail in ballots were tagged for adjudication.  Two Security fail safes were not updated, allowing any operator to manipulate votes.  1222 of 1491 cast, were reversed.  Antivirus was 1600 days old.  15 security updates were not installed.  Over 10,000 errors were found.  Also, an attempt to wipe the server occurred on Nov.12 at just before 2 PM.
Anyway, 23 pages.  Much Election Fraud.  Obvious.  I cannot see how this vote is certifiable.  This could be the First domino.  All the contested states used these machines.
Solar, you are the true voice of Reason.  One need not wonder why the GOP is in such a state.  No spines.  Even among Trump supporters.  A little resistance, and they fold.  Where is the fight in these people?

Exactly Right tiny! As I said above, we have this, both party's have proven to be corrupt.
When the people who approached Trump a decade back, they explained their plan knowing he was a deal maker, that he could get the GOP to play along as long as it made them look good.

But what the GOP Establishment didn't know was Trump was including them in the swamp for takedown in a court of law.
It's the reason I have so much faith that Trump will be seated, he and his handlers all knew going in the plan for the next 8 years and exposing the impending fraud would be of the utmost importance.

But to return the country to the people would require the full 8 years, or we'd lose it to communists, and this was never an option.
I'm just enjoying the show, even though I know the end, It's been fascinating watching it unfold.

Quote from: T Hunt on December 14, 2020, 11:54:23 AM
And you havent addressed my point.

1) There is no physical ballot trial, cheating destroyed that, and the left wont allow a full audit.
2)You have shown no proof Trump won most of the counties using dominion.
     2a) On top of that, trump own words show that the dems cheating with dominion didnt account for trumps landslide victory and thus didnt cheat hard enough on election day. Thus even if this were true it is a moot point.

Now will you respond or continue to obfuscate?

No physical ballots?.. Is Antrim County all digital? If not, they should still have their physical ballots.

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 14, 2020, 12:27:09 PM
No physical ballots?.. Is Antrim County all digital? If not, they should still have their physical ballots.

You think they threw away the fraudulent ones now?

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 14, 2020, 12:27:09 PM
No physical ballots?.. Is Antrim County all digital? If not, they should still have their physical ballots.

But they dont. Too many thrown away or altered. No way to do a full physical audit to find the original authentic vote totals.

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 14, 2020, 09:54:01 AM
They don't have to be. But the fact that Trump won most of the counties with Dominion machines, remains.

Cross-reference it with a source that you trust if you don't believe it.

I think that a re-vote would only be necessary if we didn't have a paper trail of ballots to look at.

I do not depend on any of the MSM. I try to read as much as I can and then determine what might be facts. It is not easy.

I have no problem following the paper trail, however if there is a problem with loaded machines it should be pursued.

Quote from: supsalemgr on December 14, 2020, 12:55:40 PM
I do not depend on any of the MSM. I try to read as much as I can and then determine what might be facts. It is not easy.

I have no problem following the paper trail, however if there is a problem with loaded machines it should be pursued.

That's just it Sup, the libs have no clue what's taking place, they only get one source for their news, if they did as we do, they wouldn't be posting nonsense.
Hell, they'd be panicking like Scummer and Fuglosi, who haven't been in the media as of late.

Quote from: DrJellyfingers on December 14, 2020, 09:47:10 AM
Dominion was used in Louisiana, Iowa, Missouri and Ohio. Let's throw those electoral votes out!

Not the same voting machines that were used in the swing states.  Dominion bought out Sequoia Voting Systems in 2010.  Louisiana uses the AVC Advantage voting machines.

Any voting machine can be hacked so I don't know what your point is.  Louisiana didn't change voting laws just before the election like the swing states decided to do without the approval of their legislators. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequoia_Voting_Systems

QuoteLouisiana uses the AVC Advantage voting machine on Election Day. The voting machine is a direct recording electronic machine with a full faced ballot.

https://www.sos.la.gov/ElectionsAndVoting/Vote/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/Pages/VotingOnElectionDay.aspx?OwnershipName=VotingOnElectionDay&faqid=0

Quote from: T Hunt on December 14, 2020, 12:55:19 PM
But they dont. Too many thrown away or altered. No way to do a full physical audit to find the original authentic vote totals.

Where are you getting this information from about Antrim County?

You're saying that they did have physical ballots, but too many have been altered or thrown away? That wasn't stated in the report...where'd you get that from?

Why bother recounting fraud ballots?  For example, the mail ballots missing a fold or crease, should those be recounted as real?  Counting the same box loads of fraud ballots will give the same fraudulent results. 

The democraps/marxist/commies only need 5(?) cities to cheat in to swing the state.  All large populations of black folks, one of the main reasons they were picked, so it wouldn't look to obvious about the vote count.  But they weren't smart enough to cover all their tracks.

The marxist changed enough after 2016 to rig the 2020, but it brought on new things that will trip them up in the end.  And the RINO's are just disgusting.  I sure hope Barr names a special counsel to go after all these bastards.