I get that some people may believe that threatening/assaulting is ok in this situation, but under current laws those things are illegal.

So, as I've said multiple times.... regardless of the slant of the NY Times, IF the cop punched her husband and IF the cop threatened her son's friend, she should be arrested because she broke two laws.

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 09:19:28 AM
I get that some people may believe that threatening/assaulting is ok in this situation, but under current laws those things are illegal.

No im sorry they are not illegal at all, at least not anyplace ive ever lived. Show me any constitutional law that says I cannot threaten my son to his face or spank him.

QuoteSo, as I've said multiple times.... regardless of the slant of the NY Times, IF the cop punched her husband and IF the cop threatened her son's friend, she should be arrested because she broke two laws.

But we KNOW that she did not since it is the MSM saying it. Its really that simple.
You need to accept that you have failed to make your case here.

Quote from: T Hunt on April 21, 2021, 09:27:13 AM
No im sorry they are not illegal at all, at least not anyplace ive ever lived. Show me any constitutional law that says I cannot threaten my son to his face or spank him.


But we KNOW that she did not since it is the MSM saying it. Its really that simple.
You need to accept that you have failed to make your case here.

There are plenty of laws that prohibit threatening people.  Also, she was threatening someone else's son.

So, you really believe that EVERYTHING the NY Times says is a lie? 

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 09:39:44 AM
There are plenty of laws that prohibit threatening people.  Also, she was threatening someone else's son.

LOL no im sorry, there is no law prohibiting me from threatening another private citizen. Im gonna kill you tonight. See, no FBI at my house or anything, even if you are a kid not my own. Face to face on private property would make little difference.

QuoteSo, you really believe that EVERYTHING the NY Times says is a lie?

you dont?!?! and you call yourself a conservative!

Quote from: T Hunt on April 21, 2021, 09:48:01 AM
LOL no im sorry, there is no law prohibiting me from threatening another private citizen. Im gonna kill you tonight. See, no FBI at my house or anything, even if you are a kid not my own. Face to face on private property would make little difference.

you dont?!?! and you call yourself a conservative!

Just to be clear, you're denying the existence of laws prohibiting threatening because you typed a threat on a screen and the FBI didn't show up to arrest you? 




Even though the Constitution guarantees the right of free speech, that right is not an absolute one. The law has long recognized specific limitations when it comes to speech, such as prohibitions against slander and libel. In some situations, speech can even constitute a crime, such as in the case of criminal threats. A criminal threat, sometimes known as the terrorist threat, malicious harassment, or by other terms, occurs when someone threatens to kill or physically harm someone else.

Communication
A criminal threat involves one person threatening someone else with physical harm. The threat must be communicated in some way, though it doesn't necessarily have to be verbal. A person can make a threat through email, text message, or even through non-verbal body language such as gestures or movements. However, some states require written or verbal threats, and in those states gestures are not enough.

Fear and Intent
Criminal threats are made with the intention to place someone in fear of injury or death. However, it isn't necessary for a victim to actually experience fear or terror. Rather, it's the intention of the person making the threat that matters. The intent of a person who makes threats is usually determined by the circumstances surrounding the case.

Specificity and Reasonableness
You cannot commit a criminal threat if the threat is vague or unreasonable. The threat must be capable of making the people who hear it feel as if they might be hurt, and conclude that the threat is credible, real, and imminent. If, for example, you threaten to blow up the world unless your bartender doesn't bring your drink to you immediately, no reasonable person hearing it would believe the threat was real. On the other hand, if you walk into a store with a gun and threaten to shoot the clerk unless she gives you a refund, such a threat is credible and specific.

Assault
The crime of assault, in some states, is very similar to criminal threats. An assault occurs when a person either attempts to physically injure someone else, or uses threats of force accompanied by threatening actions. Words alone are usually not enough to commit an assault, and some sort of physical action is typically required. For example, threatening to punch someone is usually not an assault. However, making the threats and then approaching the person in a threatening manner does qualify as assault. So, the same conduct that is considered a criminal threat in one state may be classified as an assault in another.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Criminal-Threats.htm#:~:text=Penalties,a%20misdemeanor%20or%20felony%20offense.&text=Anyone%20convicted%20of%20making%20a,time%20in%20jail%20or%20prison.

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 10:00:58 AM
Just to be clear, you're denying the existence of laws prohibiting threatening because you typed a threat on a screen and the FBI didn't show up to arrest you? 

No, just using that as an example which your brain may be able to comprehend. If its illegal then why are they not arresting me?

QuoteEven though the Constitution guarantees the right of free speech, that right is not an absolute one. The law has long recognized specific limitations when it comes to speech, such as prohibitions against slander and libel. In some situations, speech can even constitute a crime, such as in the case of criminal threats. A criminal threat, sometimes known as the terrorist threat, malicious harassment, or by other terms, occurs when someone threatens to kill or physically harm someone else.

this is the typical leftist attempt to try to say "well if some speech is regulated then all can be". If you want to troll a conservative site try something new that all the other trolls before you havent tried yet. We have seen this argument before and it always fails.

Yes according to the constitution our freedom of speech among private citizens(public figures operate differently, obviously) is absolute. No words can ever be illegal.

QuoteCommunication
A criminal threat involves one person threatening someone else with physical harm. The threat must be communicated in some way, though it doesn't necessarily have to be verbal. A person can make a threat through email, text message, or even through non-verbal body language such as gestures or movements. However, some states require written or verbal threats, and in those states gestures are not enough.

Fear and Intent
Criminal threats are made with the intention to place someone in fear of injury or death. However, it isn't necessary for a victim to actually experience fear or terror. Rather, it's the intention of the person making the threat that matters. The intent of a person who makes threats is usually determined by the circumstances surrounding the case.

Specificity and Reasonableness
You cannot commit a criminal threat if the threat is vague or unreasonable. The threat must be capable of making the people who hear it feel as if they might be hurt, and conclude that the threat is credible, real, and imminent. If, for example, you threaten to blow up the world unless your bartender doesn't bring your drink to you immediately, no reasonable person hearing it would believe the threat was real. On the other hand, if you walk into a store with a gun and threaten to shoot the clerk unless she gives you a refund, such a threat is credible and specific.

Assault
The crime of assault, in some states, is very similar to criminal threats. An assault occurs when a person either attempts to physically injure someone else, or uses threats of force accompanied by threatening actions. Words alone are usually not enough to commit an assault, and some sort of physical action is typically required. For example, threatening to punch someone is usually not an assault. However, making the threats and then approaching the person in a threatening manner does qualify as assault. So, the same conduct that is considered a criminal threat in one state may be classified as an assault in another.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Criminal-Threats.htm#:~:text=Penalties,a%20misdemeanor%20or%20felony%20offense.&text=Anyone%20convicted%20of%20making%20a,time%20in%20jail%20or%20prison.

So you quoted some loser lawyers opinion. Srry, thats not the law. I can say whatever I want. Lawyers love a litigious society and try to make us so, more money for them.

"If its illegal then why are they not arresting me?"

You can't be this uninformed, but by pretending to be, you're showing that you are incredibly dishonest, can't be reasoned with and are wasting my time.

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 10:20:25 AM
"If its illegal then why are they not arresting me?"

You can't be this uninformed, but by pretending to be, you're showing that you are incredibly dishonest, can't be reasoned with and are wasting my time.

So you are finally done with your obvious leftist trolling? Thanks for the example, you can move along now...

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 10:20:25 AM
"If its illegal then why are they not arresting me?"

You can't be this uninformed, but by pretending to be, you're showing that you are incredibly dishonest, can't be reasoned with and are wasting my time.

Well god, now you know how the rest of us view your posts.

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 10:00:58 AM
Just to be clear, you're denying the existence of laws prohibiting threatening because you typed a threat on a screen and the FBI didn't show up to arrest you? 




Even though the Constitution guarantees the right of free speech, that right is not an absolute one. The law has long recognized specific limitations when it comes to speech, such as prohibitions against slander and libel. In some situations, speech can even constitute a crime, such as in the case of criminal threats. A criminal threat, sometimes known as the terrorist threat, malicious harassment, or by other terms, occurs when someone threatens to kill or physically harm someone else.

Communication
A criminal threat involves one person threatening someone else with physical harm. The threat must be communicated in some way, though it doesn't necessarily have to be verbal. A person can make a threat through email, text message, or even through non-verbal body language such as gestures or movements. However, some states require written or verbal threats, and in those states gestures are not enough.

Fear and Intent
Criminal threats are made with the intention to place someone in fear of injury or death. However, it isn't necessary for a victim to actually experience fear or terror. Rather, it's the intention of the person making the threat that matters. The intent of a person who makes threats is usually determined by the circumstances surrounding the case.

Specificity and Reasonableness
You cannot commit a criminal threat if the threat is vague or unreasonable. The threat must be capable of making the people who hear it feel as if they might be hurt, and conclude that the threat is credible, real, and imminent. If, for example, you threaten to blow up the world unless your bartender doesn't bring your drink to you immediately, no reasonable person hearing it would believe the threat was real. On the other hand, if you walk into a store with a gun and threaten to shoot the clerk unless she gives you a refund, such a threat is credible and specific.

Assault
The crime of assault, in some states, is very similar to criminal threats. An assault occurs when a person either attempts to physically injure someone else, or uses threats of force accompanied by threatening actions. Words alone are usually not enough to commit an assault, and some sort of physical action is typically required. For example, threatening to punch someone is usually not an assault. However, making the threats and then approaching the person in a threatening manner does qualify as assault. So, the same conduct that is considered a criminal threat in one state may be classified as an assault in another.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Criminal-Threats.htm#:~:text=Penalties,a%20misdemeanor%20or%20felony%20offense.&text=Anyone%20convicted%20of%20making%20a,time%20in%20jail%20or%20prison.

If you are slandered by someone, you have to take it to court, you have to prove that you have suffered damages from that slander, and you have to convince a jury you are entitled to compensation. Nobody from the government will come to arrest the person who slandered you, that person will not have to answer to the government. Slander is a civil matter. Now do you get it, or did the N.Y. times tell you different?  And again, our rights are from God therefor absolute. There are those who are elected who have convinced you that if you would only give up some of your liberties, you would be safer, that is another lie, but I bet you got that from the times too.

Quote from: Possum on April 21, 2021, 11:10:11 AM
If you are slandered by someone, you have to take it to court, you have to prove that you have suffered damages from that slander, and you have to convince a jury you are entitled to compensation. Nobody from the government will come to arrest the person who slandered you, that person will not have to answer to the government. Slander is a civil matter. Now do you get it, or did the N.Y. times tell you different?  And again, our rights are from God therefor absolute. There are those who are elected who have convinced you that if you would only give up some of your liberties, you would be safer, that is another lie, but I bet you got that from the times too.

As you know, we aren't talking about slander. We're talking about making a threat.  What I posted covers that... if you took the time to read it.

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 11:24:53 AM
As you know, we aren't talking about slander. We're talking about making a threat.  What I posted covers that... if you took the time to read it.

Read your posts, you're the one who keeps bring it up. 

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 11:24:53 AM
As you know, we aren't talking about slander. We're talking about making a threat.  What I posted covers that... if you took the time to read it.

Yes, you're talking about the threat, that you have yet to post what it actually was.
So tell us, what was the threat?

Quote from: Solar on April 21, 2021, 12:37:33 PM
Yes, you're talking about the threat, that you have yet to post what it actually was.
So tell us, what was the threat?

Let's get back to what really happened here.

From Page 2:

Me: "Why do you assume this is political and that there wasn't an assault and/or threats?"

You: "Because these arrests take place all over the country hundreds of times a day, not a one is news worthy, unless the Marxist media can exploit a racial component.

What are you, a teenager? This shit is beyond blatantly obvious!"

So, as I've said multiple times, the political/racial angle of the NY Times article does not change reality.  I posted a nbcboston.com link that said there was a threat.  YOU are saying there was not threat or assault.

Quote from: p1tchblack on April 21, 2021, 12:53:38 PM
Let's get back to what really happened here.

From Page 2:

Me: "Why do you assume this is political and that there wasn't an assault and/or threats?"

You: "Because these arrests take place all over the country hundreds of times a day, not a one is news worthy, unless the Marxist media can exploit a racial component.

What are you, a teenager? This shit is beyond blatantly obvious!"

So, as I've said multiple times, the political/racial angle of the NY Times article does not change reality.  I posted a nbcboston.com link that said there was a threat.  YOU are saying there was not threat or assault.

I did? I'm sure you can produce it, just like you did proving your allegation of a threat, which you still avoided to prove.
So post it! What was the threat?