Quote from: walkstall on April 15, 2016, 09:47:06 PM
"They walk among us."   

Is that an old Quinn & Rose reference?  She (Rose) used to do a bit with that title.

Quote from: Sauce on April 16, 2016, 02:15:46 AM
Is that an old Quinn & Rose reference?  She (Rose) used to do a bit with that title.

Sounds like half our trolls in this one....

http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/ubb/get_topic/f/71/t/001314.html

Quote from: quiller on April 16, 2016, 04:08:06 AM
Sounds like half our trolls in this one....

http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/ubb/get_topic/f/71/t/001314.html

Sure does.

Quote from: Skatebeanz on April 15, 2016, 06:55:47 AM
I'm gonna guess telling people they are idiots with low IQ, won't give you a bunch of favors. 

I didn't come here looking to borrow money or sell copies of my book.

Quote from: Solar on April 15, 2016, 09:29:48 PM
I understand, the left really is trying their damnedest to make Cruz look evil.
But this forum is about facts, and we wouldn't say it if it weren't true, that Cruz' Flat Tax is nowhere near a VAT, which a VAT is a tax at every step of production.

Look at Europe's VAT if you really want to understand what a VAT looks like.

Im not trying to spread propaganda. I came up with that as when he was in CNBC yesterday they called it a VAT to his face. He hen brought up tax foundation.orrg who calls it a type of VAT. They explain they call it a VAT because it removes double tax. Again, I'm in my 30s and can use a website to do my taxes. I'm far from a tax expert. I could be way off base. But since he didn't argue the point when they calls it that. Then he, himself, uses a website that calls it a VAT (CNBC even called it a right winged website).

Instead of using laughing emotes and such can someone explain the difference? Just laughing isn't going to show me the difference.

QuoteThese guys are pro Cruz who is anti RINO. That shows a RINO cheat sheet won't work.

I AM PRO-CRUZ. If he is the nominee, I'll vote for him. I don't hate America. Cruz was my first choice before Trump announced.  And had it not been for Trump, we'd be looking at Jeb Bush with most of the delegates by now. And Hillary would be the next president.

QuoteHillary won't even be her party's nominee. People need to realize this soon. Trump will beat Hilary IMO. He will lose to Sanders (sadly). Thus even if you like Trump you need to support Cruz as he will be the only one to beat BS.

Sanders will be Walter Mondale to Trump, who is the most Reagan-like candidate in this race. Sanders has a lot of freeloaders excited, but the guy is a senile windbag. He can barely beat up this incompetent bitch in a debate. Trump will take him apart in a debate and that will be that. He'll be lucky to carry his own state.

QuoteI did. Trump's tax plan is better than what we have will will improve the GDP. However, Cruz's plan is the best tax plan I have ever personally seen in my life. His VAT will eliminate the ability to find loopholes by the uber rich, it will decrease taxes for average families like me and low-end people trying to improve their life and financial situation. It creates more growth and allows families to save tax free. With Cruz's plan an average family of four would literally pay the amount to the feds that they currently do in 3.5 months, the entire year under Cruz. Cruz has a plan to drop like 5 Federal programs which are sucking the coin from working families.

I agree. And I support such action. Problem is, it doesn't solve our current problem.

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I haven't seen Donald ever stand on the issue of dropping HUD, energy, etc. like Cruz does.

One thing about THE DONALD. If you look at his career as a builder, you understand his entire philosophy on politics. Get the most bang for the smallest buck. There are a million issues in this political season and Trump has picked the most important few. He either predicted they would be important, or he MADE them important. That's the sign of a true leader.

NOBODY was DARING to take on illegal immigration before THE DONALD. Jeb referred to this as an act of love. Can you just imagine having THAT as our nominee.

Truthfully, I was so hoping for a Trump/Cruz ticket. It would be Cruz's quickest avenue to the presidency. Eight years under President Trump and he would be a shoo in for the job. He'd inherit eight years of prosperity under Trump.

The Lyin' Ted bell can't be un-rung. It's a pity. If Ted were to get out of the race right now and give Trump his delegates as a running mate, ALL the mystery would be gone. A Trump/Cruz ticket would be landslide material.

Lyin' Ted kind of ended that. (The nickname, not the man)

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Donald has a decent immigration plan. I feel he will help the economy. I feel he'll be a better president than he is candidate.

Gee, ya think? Here's a guy who built an eight billion dollar company being outmaneuvered by a first term junior Senator.

QuoteHowever, he isn't as strong as Cruz on most the issues. Then the cherry on top is Cruz has been anti RINO his entire career. Donald was a Lib a few years ago. I trusTed more than Donald thus he gets my vote.

I've discovered that there is no special moral blank check issued for having a C by your name. Conservatives in the last election sat home and gave us Obama for four more years, when they could easily have voted him out of office. So it's not as if conservatives have done us a whole lot of favors.

Donald is taking the conservative/liberal distraction out of the mix. It's not about ideology. It's about a few simple issues and the ability to get them done. And out of ALL the candidates, Trump is the only one who has had to face deadlines and price ceilings in the private sector. He's the only one who has actually created jobs and wealth.

If he flames out, I'll vote for Ted. But I don't have much confidence that Ted can beat Hillary. It'll be a news media bonanza, since they LIVE for the close races. I'd rather have a guy who can kick her ass in the early polls and win in a landslide.

I personally believe trump will wipe the floor with Hillary. But I'm scared she won't even be the nominee. I watch a few minutes of the dem debate and it made me sick. They literally were trying to show who can give the most crap away to the lazy and worthless.

Quote from: Skatebeanz on April 16, 2016, 07:45:28 AM
Im not trying to spread propaganda. I came up with that as when he was in CNBC yesterday they called it a VAT to his face. He hen brought up tax foundation.orrg who calls it a type of VAT. They explain they call it a VAT because it removes double tax. Again, I'm in my 30s and can use a website to do my taxes. I'm far from a tax expert. I could be way off base. But since he didn't argue the point when they calls it that. Then he, himself, uses a website that calls it a VAT (CNBC even called it a right winged website).

Instead of using laughing emotes and such can someone explain the difference? Just laughing isn't going to show me the difference.

he said it isn't a VAT at the end. So I guess VATs are sales tax only? His is still a subtraction tax. Regardless of what it is called I love his tax plan.

How is a Flat Tax on income, which sone rate after the same standard and dependent deductions; the same as a VAT (Value Added Tax) where tax is added at every step of manufacture and collected at the end in the sales tax?

Quote from: Skatebeanz on April 16, 2016, 08:32:49 AM
he said it isn't a VAT at the end. So I guess VATs are sales tax only? His is still a subtraction tax. Regardless of what it is called I love his tax plan.

Technically all tax is a Value Tax when you break it down.
I'm not picking on you, it's just important that the truth be told when discussing The Value Added Tax (VAT).
So I'm posting this so our readership that may be unaware of the facts on the subject may walk away better informed.

It is a form of consumption tax that taxes all business profit and labor.
The tax is levied on the value added to the product at each stage of its manufacturing cycle as well as the price paid by the final consumer.

Quote from: mdgiles on April 16, 2016, 08:38:48 AM
How is a Flat Tax on income, which sone rate after the same standard and dependent deductions; the same as a VAT (Value Added Tax) where tax is added at every step of manufacture and collected at the end in the sales tax?

what I read is a VAT is a subtraction tax in which you never pay double tax. The amount you pay is subtracted by the tax that was already paid for the cost. They aren't paying the taxes on the amount the other company is already paying for it.

If I understand right, his tax for a car dealer is a tax on all income minus those of the cost of gain. Something like if my small dealership buys a car for 500 from someone and I sell it for 600 I don't pay taxes on the 500 because that was already paid for by the company that sold me the car. This is Teds plan. A VAT is similar but the taxes are added to the sale cost at the end instead of each company at each level.

Am I way off base?

Quote from: mdgiles on April 16, 2016, 08:38:48 AM
How is a Flat Tax on income, which sone has one rate after the same standard and dependent deductions; the same as a VAT (Value Added Tax) where tax is added at every step of manufacture and collected at the end in the sales tax?

Correction.

Quote from: Solar on April 16, 2016, 09:15:26 AM
Technically all tax is a Value Tax when you break it down.
I'm not picking on you, it's just important that the truth be told when discussing The Value Added Tax (VAT).
So I'm posting this so our readership that may be unaware of the facts on the subject may walk away better informed.

It is a form of consumption tax that taxes all business profit and labor.
The tax is levied on the value added to the product at each stage of its manufacturing cycle as well as the price paid by the final consumer.

his is similar only no tax is paid by the individual, right? All taxes are paid on the corporate level and thus built into the total cost of purchase.

Or am I mistake. And his you actually get taxed more? Can u tell me what his tax would look like using that same 5 step purchase?

QuoteTed Cruz's "Business Flat Tax" is what most tax policy experts would call a "tax-inclusive subtraction-method value-added tax" (VAT) or a "business transfer tax" (BTT). These terms are pretty technical, so I'll try to distill them down into something a little bit easier.
What this means, in plainer terms, is that it's a broad tax on all kinds of income, levied on businesses and organizations. You, personally, wouldn't have to file it for yourself. Instead, it would be taken care of at the organizational level.
That does not, of course, mean it's free. When businesses pay taxes on people's behalf, it still ultimately means that the government gets some money that otherwise would have gone to people.[\quote]

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/ted-cruz-s-business-flat-tax-primer

Quote from: Skatebeanz on April 16, 2016, 09:33:56 AM
his is similar only no tax is paid by the individual, right? All taxes are paid on the corporate level and thus built into the total cost of purchase.

Or am I mistake. And his you actually get taxed more? Can u tell me what his tax would look like using that same 5 step purchase?

ALL TAXES ARE PAID BY THE INDIVIDUAL.
Businesses simply add the cost of their taxes to all the other costs of doing business, when they figure out the price of the service or item they are selling. That is something basic to economics. When ever you here some politician talking about taxing the corporations, he/she is really talking about taxing you, and having the corporation collect it, so that you get mad at the corporation and not at them.