Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 01:06:31 PM


You're not right, killing civilians is a bad strategy, even though You believe it sound logic. 


Hmm, I wonder who else believed it was ok to kill civilians?

That's just too cheap, Fishy boy. Can we look at the differences? Do you have that kind of time?

• No state of war existed between Al Qaida and us on 9/11.
  
• No military value could possibly be attached to the World Trade Center towers.
• The weapons chosen by OBL and used on 9/11 were civilian airliners, loaded with civilian passengers on peaceful errands, not strategic bombers.
• NOT ONE PERSON KILLED ON 9/11 had the intent or the ability to harm OBL or any of his followers. The attack was intended to kill and maim ONLY innocents.
• The terrorists who did 9/11 gave no warning to anyone.

You're over the line with this one, Fish.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 12:58:46 PM

I disagree.   Knowing they weren't going to allow their Women and children run away, and yet still choosing to drop a bomb on them, is choosing to shoot the civilian shields.   I don't see that as the right thing to do.

Keep in mind, the world was at war, not just two countries, everyone was fighting for their own existence and the Japanese sucker punched us, but that was only the beginning.
Now read and learn something for a change.

Why did the United States drop the bomb when it did? On July 29, a U.S. Navy ship, the Indianapolis, was sunk and 883 lives were lost. A U.S. invasion of Southeast Asia was scheduled for September 6, in which case, it was likely that 100,000 British, Dutch, and American Prisoners of War would be executed by the Japanese.

Decrypted Japanese military cables indicated that Japan was building-up its defenses in preparation for an American invasion, and many Japanese leaders testified that they were confident that they could have stopped at least the first wave of an American invasion. Decoded diplomatic cables indicated that Japan's leaders were seeking to persuade the Soviet Union to negotiate an armistice on favorable terms that would have allowed Japan to retain conquered territory. A three-time Japanese premier, Prince Konoye Fumimaro, said that had the atomic bombs not been dropped, the war would have continued into 1946: "The army had dug themselves caves in the mountains and their idea of fighting on was fighting from every little hole or rock in the mountains."
http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=541

Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 01:09:54 PM
Another great strategy.  We should have went to Japan, knocked on everyone's door and said "Excuse me... I'm sorry to disturb you, but w... mmmm, that smells delicious... anyway, we are going to drop an atomic bomb on your city, so if you could maybe not be here when that happens, that would be wonderfulthankssssssssss."

Actually the US did drop warning leaflets, the Japanese chose to ignore them. Oops!

Quote from: mdgiles on July 17, 2012, 01:26:39 PM
Actually the US did drop warning leaflets, the Japanese chose to ignore them. Oops!

I know....

Quote from: tbone0106 on July 17, 2012, 01:22:07 PM
That's just too cheap, Fishy boy.

You're over the line with this one, Fish.

That's not cheap, or over the line, it is very similar. That ass in the picture had the exact logic. Killing civilians didn't matter as long as it made an impact. 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 01:29:21 PM

That's not cheap, or over the line, it is very similar. That ass in the picture had the exact logic. Killing civilians didn't matter as long as it made an impact.

Nah.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both centers of military production located in a nation that was officially, actively and aggressively making war on the United States of America. They were legitimate targets in a shooting war, whether the bombs were atomic or merely incendiary.

Your comparison with 9/11 is bullshit.

Quote from: mdgiles on July 17, 2012, 01:26:39 PM
Actually the US did drop warning leaflets, the Japanese chose to ignore them. Oops!

http://www.damninteresting.com/ww2-america-warned-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-citizens/

Thanks, Mark. I didn't have time to look that up, but that's what I was talking about. 

Quote from: tbone0106 on July 17, 2012, 01:40:29 PM
Nah.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both centers of military production located in a nation that was officially, actively and aggressively making war on the United States of America. They were legitimate targets in a shooting war, whether the bombs were atomic or merely incendiary.

Your comparison with 9/11 is bullshit.

I disagree. Just because the agendas are different doesn't mean the logic is.  A "shooting war" at least gives the opportunity to target militants "atomic" targets everyone. 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 01:29:21 PM

That's not cheap, or over the line, it is very similar. That ass in the picture had the exact logic. Killing civilians didn't matter as long as it made an impact.

And you wonder why we want the Govt out of the job of educating our children?
You're a perfect example of the extremely poor job they're doing.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 01:52:56 PM
And you wonder why we want the Govt out of the job of educating our children?
You're a perfect example of the extremely poor job they're doing.

Coming from someone who seems fine with the killing of civilians, I'll take that^ as a compliment.   

Quote from: tbone0106 on July 17, 2012, 01:49:54 PM
Thanks, Mark. I didn't have time to look that up, but that's what I was talking about. 

No problem. The left is tireless in their work to rewrite history, and paint America as monsters. I actually learned something. I had never read the messages that were put out by the US, in our attempt to SAVE lives.

Keep trying fish.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 01:57:38 PM

Coming from someone who seems fine with the killing of civilians, I'll take that^ as a compliment.   

Sheesh, I gave you a historical link, read it and learn something.
Do you realize that the entire country was at war? Women had to take over a mans jobs building war machines (Rosie the Riveter), the men were away fighting, everyone had a stake at protecting the country from a ruthless enemy.

Read the damn link and quit showing what a pansy assed lib you are.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 02:02:15 PM
Sheesh, I gave you a historical link, read it and learn something.
Do you realize that the entire country was at war? Women had to take over a mans jobs building war machines (Rosie the Riveter), the men were away fighting, everyone had a stake at protecting the country from a ruthless enemy.

Read the damn link and quit showing what a pansy assed lib you are.

Just because a country is at war doesn't mean the country should condone the killing of civilians. Your link doesn't change that fact.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 02:04:28 PM
Just because a country is at war doesn't mean the country should condone the killing of civilians. Your link doesn't change that fact.

You don't seem to understand, all of Japan was at war, they were following the Emperor, a man who's word was that of a God.
I'm serious, you really need to learn some history, you're looking like a fool.