Big brother to log your drinking habits and waist size as GPs are forced to hand over confidential records
"Data includes weight, cholesterol, BMI, family health history and pulse rate
Doctors will be forced to reveal alcohol consumption and smoking status
Privacy campaigners described it as 'biggest data grab in NHS history'
Part of new Health Service programme called Everyone Counts
Officials insisted data will be anonymous and deleted after analysis
GPs are to be forced to hand over confidential records on all their patients' drinking habits, waist sizes and illnesses.
The files will be stored in a giant information bank that privacy campaigners say represents the 'biggest data grab in NHS history'.
They warned the move would end patient confidentiality and hand personal information to third parties.
But Ross Anderson, professor of security engineering at Cambridge University, said: 'Under these proposals, medical confidentiality is, in effect, dead and there is currently nobody standing in the way.' Nick Pickles, of the privacy group Big Brother Watch, said NHS managers would now be in charge of our most confidential information.
He added: 'It is unbelievable how little the public is being told about what is going on, while GPs are being strong-armed into handing over details about their patients and to not make a fuss.
'Not only have the public not been told what is going on, none of us has been asked to give our permission for this to happen.'
The data grab is part of Everyone Counts, a programme to extend the availability of patient data across the Health Service."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2272166/Big-brother-log-drinking-habits-waist-size.html#ixzz2JkQRBOzo (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2272166/Big-brother-log-drinking-habits-waist-size.html#ixzz2JkQRBOzo)
That could never happen here in the US. [sarc]
Gee, remember when the DHS's biggest problem was what days to hoist the color code of the day's likelihood of a terrorist attack? A make work job for Tommy Ridge.
History repeats itself. Chip, chip, chip away a little at a time. People pay no mind and one day you wake up and it's the second coming of a Hitler wanna-be. Big brother is here and thriving.
Quote from: Shooterman on February 02, 2013, 06:16:31 AM
Gee, remember when the DHS's biggest problem was what days to hoist the color code of the day's likelihood of a terrorist attack? A make work job for Tommy Ridge.
Ahhh yes, simpler times.
But look at the upside, you are now part of a group, you are now known as a statistic.
You may even choose to personalize yourself, using a number between 1 and 300 million, I chose Statistic-150 million, I wanted to feel like I belong, yet stand out as an individual over other stats by becoming known as an average stat.
That's me, # 150 Average Statistic, a special kind of number....:rolleyes:
Currently doctors do not have all the information. What would happen if a patient just says I prefer not to divulge that information?
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 02, 2013, 09:24:32 AM
Currently doctors do not have all the information. What would happen if a patient just says I prefer not to divulge that information?
Doctor to patient, then you need to find a new doctor. :popcorn:
Anonymized data to detect trends often sounds like a great idea. There's a lot of real and valuable conclusions that can be drawn to improve a system. But way too many times has it come out that through careful analysis the supposed "anonymous" data could be easily traced to individuals.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/09/your-secrets-live-online-in-databases-of-ruin/ (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/09/your-secrets-live-online-in-databases-of-ruin/)
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2007/12/securitymatters_1213 (http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2007/12/securitymatters_1213)
http://strata.oreilly.com/2011/05/anonymize-data-limits.html (http://strata.oreilly.com/2011/05/anonymize-data-limits.html)
Just a plain old bad idea.
Luckily... it's for NHS over in the UK, and not us. Let's hope something similar doesn't come our way. Government run health IT systems always scare me.
Quote from: mhughes on February 02, 2013, 09:58:33 AM
Anonymized data to detect trends often sounds like a great idea. There's a lot of real and valuable conclusions that can be drawn to improve a system. But way too many times has it come out that through careful analysis the supposed "anonymous" data could be easily traced to individuals.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/09/your-secrets-live-online-in-databases-of-ruin/ (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/09/your-secrets-live-online-in-databases-of-ruin/)
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2007/12/securitymatters_1213 (http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2007/12/securitymatters_1213)
http://strata.oreilly.com/2011/05/anonymize-data-limits.html (http://strata.oreilly.com/2011/05/anonymize-data-limits.html)
Just a plain old bad idea.
Luckily... it's for NHS over in the UK, and not us. Let's hope something similar doesn't come our way. Government run health IT systems always scare me.
Absolutely agree.
No name bureaucrats are the blood of the Devil. :laugh:
There is no need to start compiling all this information, even though the researchers alone may have great intentions, it's how it will be used against us in the end that is the true danger.
Quote from: Turks on February 02, 2013, 06:34:09 AM
History repeats itself. Chip, chip, chip away a little at a time. People pay no mind and one day you wake up and it's the second coming of a Hitler wanna-be. Big brother is here and thriving.
That has been going on for the last 60+ years.
Did you just now notice? :biggrin:
Quote from: rich_t on February 02, 2013, 03:51:43 PM
That has been going on for the last 60+ years.
Did you just now notice? :biggrin:
Do you have anything useful to say or is your only purpose to follow me around the board making sarcastic remarks?
Quote from: Turks on February 02, 2013, 04:18:20 PM
Do you have anything useful to say or is your only purpose to follow me around the board making sarcastic remarks?
Well... Since you have have opted to act like a pathetic little pussy, I may just follow you around to taunt you.
What the fuck are you going to do about it you little Bitch?
Quote from: rich_t on February 02, 2013, 04:34:28 PM
Well... Since you have have opted to act like a pathetic little pussy, I may just follow you around to taunt you.
What the fuck are you going to do about it you little Bitch?
Another cyber tough guy who hides behind his keyboard. I don't have to do a thing other than let your replies say it all, Richie. :laugh:
Quote from: Turks on February 02, 2013, 04:36:41 PM
Another cyber tough guy who hides behind his keyboard. I don't have to do a thing other than let your replies say it all. :laugh:
Look here old son... I was merely trying to inject a little levity into your apparent doom and gloom.
If you don't like that, fine.
Get over it.
This after all is only a message board.
Quote from: rich_t on February 02, 2013, 04:39:16 PM
Look here old son... I was merely trying to inject a little levity into your apparent doom and gloom.
If you don't like that, fine.
Get over it.
This after all is only a message board.
There's a polite way to do it and an ignorant one. You ask yourself which way was yours was. Nor am I the one making threats about stalking another poster and asking what they are going to do about it.
Quote from: Turks on February 02, 2013, 04:42:19 PM
There's a polite way to do it and an ignorant one. You ask yourself which way was yours was. Nor am I the one making threats about stalking another poster and asking what they are going to do about it.
Don't take yourself so seriously and learn to recognize sarcasm.
I'm not your enemy.
You are the one that got all butt hurt. Ask yourself why.
Quote from: rich_t on February 02, 2013, 04:44:24 PM
Don't take yourself so seriously and learn to recognize sarcasm.
I'm not your enemy.
You are the one that got all butt hurt. Ask yourself why.
Like I said..whatever or are you so obsessed that you have to have the last word?
Quote from: Turks on February 02, 2013, 04:46:03 PM
Like I said..whatever or are you so obsessed that you have to have the last word?
You got yourself in a twist over sarcasm.
Why?
Do you think that your opinion is above being contested?
Or are you unable to comprehend obvious sarcasm?
Need I remind you that you are the one that started with the name calling?
Quote from: rich_t on February 02, 2013, 04:34:28 PM
Well... Since you have have opted to act like a pathetic little pussy, I may just follow you around to taunt you.
What the fuck are you going to do about it you little Bitch?
Whatever is going on between you two is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, or good for the board for that matter.
Though I suggest Rich, you drop it and not pursue it any further, stalking is the one thing I won't tolerate here.
My suggestion is you ignore each other altogether.
Quote from: rich_t on February 02, 2013, 04:53:11 PM
You got yourself in a twist over sarcasm.
Why?
Do you think that your opinion is above being contested?
Or are you unable to comprehend obvious sarcasm?
Need I remind you that you are the one that started with the name calling?
Already explained and now your lack of reading comprehension seems to be confirmed as well.
Quote from: Solar on February 02, 2013, 04:56:17 PM
Whatever is going on between you two is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, or good for the board for that matter.
Though I suggest Rich, you drop it and not pursue it any further, stalking is the one thing I won't tolerate here.
My suggestion is you ignore each other altogether.
You know damn good and well that I have NEVER stalked anyone here.
I was merely pointing out what an asshole that Turk was being.
I also notice that you didn't say jack shit about his name calling and insults to me.
So don't be too selective on whom you chose to chastise.
We can take this up via PM if it is an avenue that you desire to pursue.
Quote from: rich_t on February 02, 2013, 05:00:48 PM
You know damn good and well that I have NEVER stalked anyone here.
I was merely pointing out what an asshole that Turk was being.
I also notice that you didn't say jack shit about his name calling and insults to me.
So don't be too selective on whom you chose to chastise.
We can take this up via PM if it is an avenue that you desire to pursue.
I'll answer that. Maybe I missed your sarcasm since it didn't seem like sarcasm when you say, "what are "you" going to do about it."
Yes I called you an asshole, maybe prematurely, maybe not since I still don't see the alleged sarcasm in that reply. Then you went on the attack threatening to stalk me around and calling me a bitch, forget already?
And if you had the comprehension you claim you would see Solar told BOTH of us to not it off.
I'm done, are you?
Quote from: Turks on February 02, 2013, 05:05:23 PM
I'll answer that. Maybe I missed your sarcasm since it didn't seem like sarcasm when you say, "what are "you"going to do about it."
Yes I called you an asshole, maybe prematurely, maybe not since I still don't see the alleged sarcasm in that reply. Then you went on the attack threatening to stalk me around and calling me a bitch, forget already?
And if you had the comprehension you claim you would see Solar told BOTH of us to not it off.
I'm done, are you?
No. I am not done.
I will first offer you an apology.
It wasn't my intent to offend you. I really was attempting to inject a little levity. It seems that it didn't come off that way to you.
Now I am done.
Quote from: rich_t on February 02, 2013, 05:10:24 PM
No. I am not done.
I will first offer you an apology.
It wasn't my intent to offend you. I really was attempting to inject a little levity. It seems that it didn't come off that way to you.
Now I am done.
Fine! I tried to let it go when I said "whatever"... but you continued, in fact taunted me with "is that the best you can do".
Perhaps a better initial reply would have been what are "we" going to do about it instead of what are "you" going to do about it which to me is a more confrontational reply. My apologies as well. Now hopefully we're both done.
Quote from: Turks on February 02, 2013, 05:13:26 PM
Fine! I tried to let it go when I said "whatever"... but you continued, in fact taunted me with "is that the best you can do". My apologies as well. Now hopefully we're both done.
I accept your apology.
Now maybe we can start over.
Quote from: rich_t on February 02, 2013, 05:00:48 PM
You know damn good and well that I have NEVER stalked anyone here.
I was merely pointing out what an asshole that Turk was being.
I also notice that you didn't say jack shit about his name calling and insults to me.
So don't be too selective on whom you chose to chastise.
We can take this up via PM if it is an avenue that you desire to pursue.
I will say this one time, knock this shit off!
You said,
" I may just follow you around to taunt you.", that is a threat in my book, and one I won't stand for.
If you have a fucking problem with my rules, then find another forum, no one threatens members on this forum, I don't care how good a poster they are.
Look at this from my POV, when people come here considering joining, some very intelligent people, and see this kind of behavior, they think they've stumbled into Romper Room.
That nonsense drives good posters away, not to mention it creates a divide, where members take sides in the argument, in turn creating enemies.
We are a discussion forum, not a special ed classroom.
Well Hell, I posted that shit for nothing? :laugh:
Glad to see that's over.
Quote from: rich_t on February 02, 2013, 05:18:30 PM
I accept your apology.
Now maybe we can start over.
And I yours. I think it's safe to say we can start over. :smile:
Quote from: Solar on February 02, 2013, 05:19:05 PM
I will say this one time, knock this shit off!
You said, " I may just follow you around to taunt you.", that is a threat in my book, and one I won't stand for.
If you have a fucking problem with my rules, then find another forum, no one threatens members on this forum, I don't care how good a poster they are.
Look at this from my POV, when people come here considering joining, some very intelligent people, and see this kind of behavior, they think they've stumbled into Romper Room.
That nonsense drives good posters away, not to mention it creates a divide, where members take sides in the argument, in turn creating enemies.
We are a discussion forum, not a special ed classroom.
My apologies to you as well. I do see your point. It's why I came here. I let myself become my own complaint that I had at other boards. Again...sorry to everyone.
Quote from: Solar on February 02, 2013, 05:19:05 PM
I will say this one time, knock this shit off!
You said, " I may just follow you around to taunt you.", that is a threat in my book, and one I won't stand for.
If you have a fucking problem with my rules, then find another forum, no one threatens members on this forum, I don't care how good a poster they are.
Look at this from my POV, when people come here considering joining, some very intelligent people, and see this kind of behavior, they think they've stumbled into Romper Room.
That nonsense drives good posters away, not to mention it creates a divide, where members take sides in the argument, in turn creating enemies.
We are a discussion forum, not a special ed classroom.
Now here is another attempt at levity.
Turks and I have buried the hatchet (and not in each others skull),
It's over.
Quote from: Solar on February 02, 2013, 05:20:23 PM
Well Hell, I posted that shit for nothing? :laugh:
Glad to see that's over.
See what you get for pulling the trigger too soon?
Shame on ya.
:ttoung:
Quote from: rich_t on February 02, 2013, 05:25:05 PM
Now here is another attempt at levity.
Turks and I have buried the hatchet (and not in each others skull),
It's over.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: walkstall on February 02, 2013, 09:54:32 AM
Doctor to patient, then you need to find a new doctor. :popcorn:
Just imagine, here. You've just put yourself into debt for about ten extra years of hugely-expensive education, and if you're average you can't start your own private practice but can (barely) afford to become a partner in an established clinic.
The others in your clinic
won't buck Uncle Sam. The first whiff they catch that they might lose their licenses and permits, any maverick trying to sidestep the rules will be brought up short and told to heel. Obamacare will be catastrophic on the clinic as it is, they do NOT need to defend against federal snoopers.
If anything it's...
Doctor to patient: our clinic's written practice is to follow all state and federal laws. Now from the top, please fill in the following questions....
What else ya gonna do? It's not like the rules-breakers are going to run ads for your kind of patient.
Quote from: quiller on February 03, 2013, 07:44:36 AM
Just imagine, here. You've just put yourself into debt for about ten extra years of hugely-expensive education, and if you're average you can't start your own private practice but can (barely) afford to become a partner in an established clinic.
The others in your clinic won't buck Uncle Sam. The first whiff they catch that they might lose their licenses and permits, any maverick trying to sidestep the rules will be brought up short and told to heel. Obamacare will be catastrophic on the clinic as it is, they do NOT need to defend against federal snoopers.
If anything it's...
Doctor to patient: our clinic's written practice is to follow all state and federal laws. Now from the top, please fill in the following questions....
What else ya gonna do? It's not like the rules-breakers are going to run ads for your kind of patient.
I used to go into a doctor and just give my name and age. Now I go in 45 min before appointments and fill out a 10 page report on myself. I now have to sign a 2 page medical release just to get my own blood work health information if I take it home and put it in my file.
Quote from: walkstall on February 03, 2013, 08:15:06 AM
I used to go into a doctor and just give my name and age. Now I go in 45 min before appointments and fill out a 10 page report on myself. I now have to sign a 2 page medical release just to get my own blood work health information if I take it home and put it in my file.
Not quite so bad for myself. The one recurring appointment I do have is handled by people who now know me on sight and do trust me to update their data if it changes. My GP requires a sign-off, but they print extras at no charge of any report they have. It's the corporate hospital clowns running the local hospital, they're the paper-crazy loons in need of a solid head-smacking.
Speaking of we the sheeple, when my father went into his terminal illness, my "sheeple" mother (who trusted doctors like some people worship the Pope) asked this same hospital to transfer him to Ann Arbor, and instead they put him in another of their own places, in Toledo, where he died. That happened before Obamacare. I can easily see this repeating for other families, as steadily-decreasing ethical standards kick in, regarding euthanasia of our elderly.
In regards to OP. . .
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13fat.html?no_interstitial&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13fat.html?no_interstitial&_r=0)
Japan did it first. Its a fineable offense to be large without a permit.