Suffice it to say, Trump handed Fuglosi her ass on a tin tray,, she was so shaken, she kept demanding this be done in private and out of the public view. Well worth your 15 minutes. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mirZE-wYr4
President Donald Trump and Democratic leaders Rep. Nancy Pelosi and Sen. Chuck Schumer had a testy exchange and highly unusual exchange before cameras in the Oval Office over funding for Trump's campaign promise of a border wall.
President Donald Trump is meeting Tuesday with the House and Senate Democratic leaders, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, in order to find a way to avert a partial government shutdown on December 21, when funding for the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies expires.
The central debate — how to secure the US southern border — has been stewing for months. Trump wants to build a wall; Democrats don't.
Ahead of his meeting with Pelosi and Schumer, Trump took to Twitter Tuesday morning to make his case for border wall funding and wrote "the Wall will get built."
Schumer has urged Trump to either accept the Senate's bipartisan agreement to spend $1.6 billion to boost border security measures, or agree to a one-year spending resolution that would keep those funded at the current level of around $1.3 billion. Schumer said last week that money can be used for fencing and other features, rather than "to construct any part of President Trump's 30-foot-tall concrete border wall."
https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/12/11/trump-to-meet-with-pelosi-schumer-over-looming-shutdown/
The President, once again, shows he's the voice of the people.
Quote from: taxed on December 11, 2018, 11:05:05 AM
The President, once again, shows he's the voice of the people.
And Scummer and Fuglosi are the voice of Marxists.
He took the wind out of their sails. The democrats use the threat of shutdown every year to try and get their way. They threaten the worst will happen. Billions will lose their jobs and planes will fall out of the sky. Never happens. Now the president is embracing what the democrats use as a threat. He nuked all their leverage.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 11, 2018, 09:11:01 PM
He took the wind out of their sails. The democrats use the threat of shutdown every year to try and get their way. They threaten the worst will happen. Billions will lose their jobs and planes will fall out of the sky. Never happens. Now the president is embracing what the democrats use as a threat. He nuked all their leverage.
I find it hilarious that Pelosi freaked out the debate was public right after she harped about democrats being transparent.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 11, 2018, 09:11:01 PM
He took the wind out of their sails. The democrats use the threat of shutdown every year to try and get their way. They threaten the worst will happen. Billions will lose their jobs and planes will fall out of the sky. Never happens. Now the president is embracing what the democrats use as a threat. He nuked all their leverage.
With the help of the GOP RINO, they blamed Cruz for the govt shutdown that only Obozo could do and beat Ted up for weeks afterwards over it.
Now Trump completely flips the tables on the Dims and Nancy wants to hide and discuss this all in private but Trump will have no part of it.
Talk about controlling the table, the guy is a master, a genius when it comes to negotiations.
I mean, seriously, he literally stole all their cards, called their bluff and raised the anti in less than 15 minutes? The world must be in awe, while the libs here have no idea what just took place. God, the man is a master. :thumbsup:
I loved the look of HORROR on Pelosi and Schumers faces
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NOW Pelosi's enemies can claim she aggrivated Trump into shutting down the Govt.
Quote from: Solar on December 12, 2018, 05:55:10 AM
With the help of the GOP RINO, they blamed Cruz for the govt shutdown that only Obozo could do and beat Ted up for weeks afterwards over it.
Now Trump completely flips the tables on the Dims and Nancy wants to hide and discuss this all in private but Trump will have no part of it.
Talk about controlling the table, the guy is a master, a genius when it comes to negotiations.
I mean, seriously, he literally stole all their cards, called their bluff and raised the anti in less than 15 minutes? The world must be in awe, while the libs here have no idea what just took place. God, the man is a master. :thumbsup:
We have government shutdowns all the time. No one notices so Trump saying he'll take blame costs him nothing. However having Pelosi and Schumer saying in front of the cameras they won't fund the wall helps Trump because every time something happens regarding illegal immigrants Trump can now point to them and blame the democrats.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 12, 2018, 05:41:12 PM
We have government shutdowns all the time. No one notices so Trump saying he'll take blame costs him nothing. However having Pelosi and Schumer saying in front of the cameras they won't fund the wall helps Trump because every time something happens regarding illegal immigrants Trump can now point to them and blame the democrats.
Would you like the shutdown notices? Do not give the worker back pay for a shutdown. They just look for a paid vacations when there is a government shutdown. Government shutdowns are not a big deal when everyone get paid for not working, but that not something new for some government worker.
Now here's a thought.
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2018/12/17/ny-posts-michael-goodwin-hasn%e2%80%99t-someone-started-gofundme-trump%e2%80%99s-wall/
Don't think this is the way to get it built, but I would contribute.
Do agree liberal heads would explode.
I'll kick in a grand, Right now.
If we look at this realistically it's all mouth and no trousers. I don't know what Trump is thinking because he is new to politics. Schumer and Pelosi and the rest know that come election time no one will remember the latest shutdown. The democrats have a better poker face than the republicans. Trump doesn't have a poker face. He simply takes hatchet to the card table and then propositions the waitress.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 17, 2018, 09:58:26 PM
If we look at this realistically it's all mouth and no trousers. I don't know what Trump is thinking because he is new to politics. Schumer and Pelosi and the rest know that come election time no one will remember the latest shutdown. The democrats have a better poker face than the republicans. Trump doesn't have a poker face. He simply takes hatchet to the card table and then propositions the waitress.
If that were true, Schumer would keep his mouth shut. He's not, he's angrily speaking into any microphone he can find and repeating his message, that "Trump Doesn't Have the Votes For the Wall".
If he knew he had won the narrative, there'd be no need to convince the public, now would there?.
He's scared shitless, because Trump in a position to build the wall and there isn't one thing he can do to stop it.
Trump stole the narrative of shutdown, that's why Scummer has been relegated to whine that Trump doesn't have enough votes, that's all he has, nothing.
BREAKING: Speaker Paul Ryan says Trump will not sign Senate-passed bill to avoid government shutdown - CNBC
:popcorn:
Newsflash Folks, I hope you are enjoying this Kabuki theater and puppet show, (I am) the Govt is ALWAYS shut down this time of year, funding or not. Speaking from exerience, most Govt employee's begin using up their "comp" time, "Sick leave" "Family sick leave" and Annual vaction time. Begining around December 15th thru January 2nd etc, you can forget about getting anything done in "the Govt". DC looks like a ghost town except of course for Emergency services such as Police Fire, Ambulance and of course the Hospitals who treat more gunshot wounds than Hawkeye on MASH.
Inersting to see what Trump said to these jerks like Ryan and McConnel to light a fire under their asses.
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Mexico is paying (indirectly) for the Wall through the new USMCA, the replacement for NAFTA! Far more money coming to the U.S. Because of the tremendous dangers at the Border, including large scale criminal and drug inflow,
the United States Military will build the Wall!
A WTF Moment... Roberts is being a whiny brat.
The Supreme Court on Friday dealt a setback to President Donald Trump by refusing to allow his administration to implement new rules prohibiting asylum for people who cross the U.S. border illegally, a key component of his policies aimed making it harder for immigrants to enter and stay in the United States.
The justices on a 5-4 vote denied the administration's request to put on hold a California-based federal judge's order at least temporarily preventing it from carrying out the policy intended make anyone crossing the U.S.-Mexican border outside of an official port of entry ineligible for asylum.
Conservative Chief Justice John Roberts, who last month rebuked Trump over his criticism of the judiciary, joined the court's four liberals in denying the administration's request. Trump's two Supreme Court appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch, joined the court's two other conservatives in dissent.
Trump had criticized San Francisco-based U.S. District Judge Jon Tigar, who on Nov. 19 blocked the policy. The San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals then refused the administration's request to lift Tigar's order.
Trump's comments led to an extraordinary rebuke by Roberts, who defended the independence of the federal judiciary and wrote in a public response to Trump on Nov. 21, "We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges," Roberts said.
The asylum restrictions were made through a presidential proclamation Trump issued on Nov. 9 alongside a new administration rule. The administration has sought ways to block thousands of Central American men, women and children traveling in caravans to escape violence and poverty in their home countries from entering the United States, with Trump calling the people in the caravans a national security threat.
Trump's proclamation stated that mass migration on the border had precipitated a crisis and he was acting to protect the U.S. national interest. Trump's policy was crafted to alter American asylum laws that have given people fleeing persecution and violence in their homelands the ability to seek sanctuary in the United States.
Quote from: Solar on December 21, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
A WTF Moment... Roberts is being a whiny brat.
The Supreme Court on Friday dealt a setback to President Donald Trump by refusing to allow his administration to implement new rules prohibiting asylum for people who cross the U.S. border illegally, a key component of his policies aimed making it harder for immigrants to enter and stay in the United States.
The justices on a 5-4 vote denied the administration's request to put on hold a California-based federal judge's order at least temporarily preventing it from carrying out the policy intended make anyone crossing the U.S.-Mexican border outside of an official port of entry ineligible for asylum.
Conservative Chief Justice John Roberts, who last month rebuked Trump over his criticism of the judiciary, joined the court's four liberals in denying the administration's request. Trump's two Supreme Court appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch, joined the court's two other conservatives in dissent.
Trump had criticized San Francisco-based U.S. District Judge Jon Tigar, who on Nov. 19 blocked the policy. The San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals then refused the administration's request to lift Tigar's order.
Trump's comments led to an extraordinary rebuke by Roberts, who defended the independence of the federal judiciary and wrote in a public response to Trump on Nov. 21, "We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges," Roberts said.
The asylum restrictions were made through a presidential proclamation Trump issued on Nov. 9 alongside a new administration rule. The administration has sought ways to block thousands of Central American men, women and children traveling in caravans to escape violence and poverty in their home countries from entering the United States, with Trump calling the people in the caravans a national security threat.
Trump's proclamation stated that mass migration on the border had precipitated a crisis and he was acting to protect the U.S. national interest. Trump's policy was crafted to alter American asylum laws that have given people fleeing persecution and violence in their homelands the ability to seek sanctuary in the United States.
Is it appearing we have another Bush "David Soutar" appointee in Roberts? It is going to take another Trump appointee on the Court to make it truly conservative.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 21, 2018, 12:28:24 PM
Is it appearing we have another Bush "David Soutar" appointee in Roberts? It is going to take another Trump appointee on the Court to make it truly conservative.
I think he's even worse.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 21, 2018, 12:28:24 PM
Is it appearing we have another Bush "David Soutar" appointee in Roberts? It is going to take another Trump appointee on the Court to make it truly conservative.
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/12/21/breaking.-ruth-bader-ginsburg-undergoes-surgery-lung-cancer
I know its Christmas and all...........but we can hope cant we???
Un-fuckin real. Roberts needs to go.
Quote from: taxed on December 21, 2018, 01:03:44 PM
Un-fuckin real. Roberts needs to go.
Yep, he's not even trying to cover his Progressive side any longer.
"Process" key word, means they're trying to screw Trump and us.
Let's try and contain these posts to one thread instead of starting a new one every time the story changes.
I trust Corker as far as I could throw Michael Moore.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 21, 2018, 05:53:04 PM
I trust Corker as far as I could throw Michael Moore.
yep, he's the epitome RINO.
Quote from: Solar on December 21, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
A WTF Moment... Roberts is being a whiny brat.
The Supreme Court on Friday dealt a setback to President Donald Trump by refusing to allow his administration to implement new rules prohibiting asylum for people who cross the U.S. border illegally, a key component of his policies aimed making it harder for immigrants to enter and stay in the United States.
The justices on a 5-4 vote denied the administration's request to put on hold a California-based federal judge's order at least temporarily preventing it from carrying out the policy intended make anyone crossing the U.S.-Mexican border outside of an official port of entry ineligible for asylum.
Conservative Chief Justice John Roberts, who last month rebuked Trump over his criticism of the judiciary, joined the court's four liberals in denying the administration's request. Trump's two Supreme Court appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch, joined the court's two other conservatives in dissent.
Trump had criticized San Francisco-based U.S. District Judge Jon Tigar, who on Nov. 19 blocked the policy. The San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals then refused the administration's request to lift Tigar's order.
Trump's comments led to an extraordinary rebuke by Roberts, who defended the independence of the federal judiciary and wrote in a public response to Trump on Nov. 21, "We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges," Roberts said.
The asylum restrictions were made through a presidential proclamation Trump issued on Nov. 9 alongside a new administration rule. The administration has sought ways to block thousands of Central American men, women and children traveling in caravans to escape violence and poverty in their home countries from entering the United States, with Trump calling the people in the caravans a national security threat.
Trump's proclamation stated that mass migration on the border had precipitated a crisis and he was acting to protect the U.S. national interest. Trump's policy was crafted to alter American asylum laws that have given people fleeing persecution and violence in their homelands the ability to seek sanctuary in the United States.
Isn't that special we now have an "Orange Man Bad" as the Chief Justice of the SC? What a sad, sad state of affairs...
Quote from: Solar on December 21, 2018, 01:12:17 PM
Yep, he's not even trying to cover his Progressive side any longer.
He had to come out After Kavanaugh was confirmed. Up until then he could hide behind Kennedy.
Quote from: Solar on December 21, 2018, 05:55:15 PM
yep, he's the epitome RINO.
And GONE along with Flake in 2019.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 22, 2018, 04:41:41 AM
And GONE along with Flake in 2019.
Yep, the RINO are scattering like cock roaches as we turn on all the lights in the House.
Eight Republicans in the House joined 177 Democrats in voting against President Donald Trump's border wall funding request.
Call this The List of Political Suicides. At least, it would be, save the fact that half are leaving office, anyway.
They are: Reps. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen and Carlos Curbelo, both from Florida; Justin Amash and Fred Upton, both from Michigan; Ken Buck from Colorado; Will Hurd from Texas; Erik Paulsen from Minnesota; and David Valadao from California.
Meanwhile, 11 other Republicans outright skipped the vote.
What were their reasons for bucking their party's tide — for turning aside their president's wishes — for bluntly telling the conservatives of America: Sorry, we're with Democrats on this one?
Waste.
Wasteful spending, as Amash put it in a tweet.
"This massive, wasteful spending bill — stuffed with unrelated items — passed 217-185," Amash wrote. "It's amazing how some wall funding causes my fellow Republicans to embrace big government."
That's one way to look at it.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/21/eight-republicans-who-bucked-border-funding/
"Wasteful spending"......
Did the see the 10 Billion dollar "Pledge" for Mexico, Hinduras etc?
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 22, 2018, 03:53:11 PM
"Wasteful spending"......
Did the see the 10 Billion dollar "Pledge" for Mexico, Hinduras etc?
Exactly! Justin Amash may be a good Conservative, but he needs to check his priorities.
You cant be a good conservative and support open borders. The flood of dem voters will make good conservatives totally irrelevant.
Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ)..."Tie Wall Funding to Schumer's Infrastructure Plan"
I like it. Let Schumer's 29 billion dollar New York infrastructure plan rot in hell until he gets his democrat friends to jump on board in helping President Trump protect the citizens of the United States of America. Maybe then in a "New York minute" will Trump get his Wall funded.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/21/exclusive-paul-gosar-tie-wall-funding-to-schumers-infrastructure-plan/
Quote from: Bronx on December 23, 2018, 05:22:53 AM
Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ)..."Tie Wall Funding to Schumer's Infrastructure Plan"
I like it. Let Schumer's 29 billion dollar New York infrastructure plan rot in hell until he gets his democrat friends to jump on board in helping President Trump protect the citizens of the United States of America. Maybe then in a "New York minute" will Trump get his Wall funded.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/21/exclusive-paul-gosar-tie-wall-funding-to-schumers-infrastructure-plan/
Holy Crap, that would build half the wall. :thumbsup:
By the way, did any of you know that there is a wall between Turkey and Syria?
Toss this in Duck Duck Go Go and click images, this is what the leftist media buries.
wall along the border between Turkey and Syria
Obviously it is a slow news day and we are getting a bunch of interviews on whose fault it is on TV. I have noticed that Fox News has been having Rep. John Garamendi (d-CA) on frequently. He and the interviewers attempt to portray him as some sort of moderate. I think Solar can confirm this, he is your typical leftist democrat.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 24, 2018, 12:46:37 PM
Obviously it is a slow news day and we are getting a bunch of interviews on whose fault it is on TV. I have noticed that Fox News has been having Rep. John Garamendi (d-CA) on frequently. He and the interviewers attempt to portray him as some sort of moderate. I think Solar can confirm this, he is your typical leftist democrat.
Yep, the epitome leftist. But, let me be the first to say it, FOX is helping groom the public to accept Garamendi as a potential 2020 hopeful, and I hope this is a plan to split the Dim vote.
Quote from: Solar on December 24, 2018, 12:51:35 PM
Yep, the epitome leftist. But, let me be the first to say it, FOX is helping groom the public to accept Garamendi as a potential 2020 hopeful, and I hope this is a plan to split the Dim vote.
Moving California's primary up should be enough to split the dims vote. Each of the dim candidates will have to out wacko the others.
Quote from: s3779m on December 24, 2018, 02:30:59 PM
Moving California's primary up should be enough to split the dims vote. Each of the dim candidates will have to out wacko the others.
It is going to be great theater watching the left eat one another, and regardless of who wins, half the party will despise them. :biggrin:
I am really growing weary hearing all these interviews of folks on different sides of the issue. It is the same old blame game. By now people know where they stand on this issue. If they do not have an opinion now they are hopeless.
The good news today is Trump went to Iraq. This is his way of changing the narrative for awhile which is what we need.
BTW, anyone being affected by the shutdown?
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 26, 2018, 12:18:55 PM
I am really growing weary hearing all these interviews of folks on different sides of the issue. It is the same old blame game. By now people know where they stand on this issue. If they do not have an opinion now they are hopeless.
The good news today is Trump went to Iraq. This is his way of changing the narrative for awhile which is what we need.
BTW, anyone being affected by the shutdown?
I think the only ones affected will be people that just started working for the government and do not have saving they can fall back on.
Quote from: walkstall on December 26, 2018, 12:48:17 PM
I think the only ones affected will be people that just started working for the government and do not have saving they can fall back on.
Anyone find it interesting the media is portraying the situation as folks working without pay when in fact it is a paid vacation during the holiday season?
Trump just upped the ante on the Wall. :thumbsup:
Donald J. Trump
We will be forced to close the Southern Border entirely if the Obstructionist Democrats do not give us the money to finish the Wall & also change the ridiculous immigration laws that our Country is saddled with. Hard to believe there was a Congress & President who would approve!
Quote from: Solar on December 28, 2018, 07:14:32 AM
Trump just upped the ante on the Wall. :thumbsup:
Donald J. Trump
We will be forced to close the Southern Border entirely if the Obstructionist Democrats do not give us the money to finish the Wall & also change the ridiculous immigration laws that our Country is saddled with. Hard to believe there was a Congress & President who would approve!
I see multiple benefits if Trump does this. First, it would really get Mexico's attention to do what they should be doing. It stops much of the infiltration. It would force democrats to get off the dime.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 28, 2018, 07:22:58 AM
I see multiple benefits if Trump does this. First, it would really get Mexico's attention to do what they should be doing. It stops much of the infiltration. It would force democrats to get off the dime.
I'm willing to bet, he ups the ante even further, probably another billion.
The longer they putt this off, the steeper the penalty. Trump is teaching the art of negotiation. :biggrin: