The Orlando shooting and the motivation for Islamic terrorism...

[Billy's bayonet]

Putting this issue aside for a moment, do you think it has been worth the cost in money and lives lost to wage this "war on terror"?  Terrorism, even with our current foreign policy that makes us less safe, is a very insignificant threat to most Americans.  Would you have us re-invade Iraq and stay there for another decade or two?  Would you like to "see if the sand glows" like Ted Cruz wants?


As far as Bin Laden being assisted by the CIA in the 1980s when the Soviet Union was occupying Afghanistan, I don't think I cited Pape on that subject.  But your case against him being aided in this way is not credible.

Complete bullshit, the USA CREATED ISLAMIC TERRORISM.....

you STILL don't get it do ya muffins?  YOU CAN CREATE SOMETHING THAT ALREADY EXISTS!

I'm not disputing the fact that the USA supported AFGHANI FREEDOM FIGHTERS in their GUERILLA WAR against the USSR occupation. However I do dispute the MYTH that the USA "created" Radical ISlamic Terrorists and especially Osma Bin Laudin's terror group  Al Qieda.

The very articles you cite prove me right and you....and Pape wrong.

AGAIN.....HOW CAN YOU CREATE SOMETHING THAT ALREADY EXISTED?.....THe AFGHANI resistance against Soviet occupation started on day one of the invasion......as I already cited, rival tribes broke up into factions which was engineered by the Soviet KGB 'ground work' before the first tank rolled across the border....it was PRE PLANNED, those tribes and ethnic subdivisions that were ont he outs got their asses whipped....old story old pattern. They had NO CHOICE but to fight and use the traditional method of the weak...Guerilla warfare...Guerilla warfare and Terrorism (Those that have actually fought Guerillas know this) have very similar tactics.

SO I am right and you (And Pape) are wrong....THE TERRORIST/GUERILLA WAR IN AFGHANISTAN WAS INITIATED BY THE SOVIET UNION....OBL's appearance and support in this matter later was a direct RESULT of the Soviet Invasion....nothing to do with AMERICAN FORCES.

Our subsequent support of MUHAJADEEN fighters did not begin until late in the 1980's....primarily this was supplying MUHAJADEEN with shoulder fired Stinger missiles to knock down the Soviet Helicopters that were doing so much damage. THe Guerilla war had been in effect for 5, 6 or 7 years at that point. Again, there is no evidence, either by this slanted article or anyone else that the USA financed, aided or assisted OBL in any way. OBL HIMSELF SAYS WE DID NOT, HE REFUSED ANY AIDE FROM THE USA because he hated us for supporting the SAUDI's.

It was OBL who created Al Qieda primarily bringing in foreign fighters from around the globe, no doubt certain tribes or certain factions or individual fighters "signed on" with OBL but these fighters were mainly concerned with fighting RIVAL TRIBES or ETHNICITIES in age old fueds, such fighters had low level importance...cannon fodder, most of OBL's Al Qieda heiarchy were SAUDI or other than AFGHANI's.....proved by his top lieutenants and by the make up of the 9/11 Hijackers.

Besides, how is providing aide "Military intervention"? We did not set boots on the ground, we did not send troops, (perhaps a few American CIA advisors)  WE ALSO TREATED MUHAJADEEN IN US HOSPITALS....I suppose we shouldn;t have done that either.

https://allthingsforeignblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/20/1986-afghan-mujahideen-in-the-united-states/

You fail, you have failed at every turn, your sources are not credible and they have no EVIDENCE other than their own slanted speculation and conjecture...this is NOT SCIENTIFIC in the least....it is bullshit, pure and simple...thats what you get with researchers who have no INVESTIGATIVE ABILITY or training......Bullshit.

[Solar]

I'll post in the political forum, but I'm not "hijacking" anything.  I'm confining myself to a single thread and people can participate or not.

I know this is a forum for conservatives but I think most people don't want to confine themselves to a group of like-minded individuals, never speaking to those that disagree with them.  This thread here has been focused on foreign policy, but on other issues we'd probably have plenty to agree about.  Someone described himself as a "constitutional conservative", and as a libertarian I'd probably have plenty to agree with if someone legitimately wants to reduce the State to its constitutional functions.  I'd like to abolish the State entirely, but we'd be moving in the direction of more liberty so we can be allies.

The reason I'm pushing so hard on this foreign policy subject is that, as Randolph Borne said, "war is the health of the State".  Killing people is the worst thing that governments do and the greatest expansions of State power occur during wartime.  So, if you are a constitutional conservative, you have to make a choice.  Either you favor Empire and avoidable wars of aggression or you favor limited government.  Because you can't have both.

Take a timeout, this was not up for discussion.

[Late-For-Lunch]

People are participating, but have you noticed that none are falling for your b.s. Many situations have been posted which prove your theory wrong and you ignore them and keep on the same talking points. It gets boring. One suggestion,look for another forum that will embrace what you are teaching, facts or no facts, there are places which live to blame the victims. Here's the hint again, in the search bar write "liberal".

That fool is a legend in his own mind.

[supsalemgr]

That fool is a legend in his own mind.

I assume you are speaking of jerodefeld?

[Possum]

I assume you are speaking of jerodefeld?

I sure hope so.

[Late-For-Lunch]

I assume you are speaking of jerodefeld?

Moz' def. I thought it was obvious. jerodfeld = windbag. He sucks the air out of the room with interminably long posts, then replaces the air with stinque!  Vomiting mountains of abstruse verbiage, and managing to say absolutely nothing worth reading. He is the literary equivalent of an annoying rash.

[Billy's bayonet]

Moz' def. I thought it was obvious. jerodfeld = windbag. He sucks the air out of the room with interminably long posts, then replaces the air with stinque!  Vomiting mountains of abstruse verbiage, and managing to say absolutely nothing worth reading. He is the literary equivalent of an annoying rash.

I'm rather impressed by your eloquence...Thank You for that.

[jrodefeld]

So, Solar I guess suspended my account for a few days so I didn't post anything.  So I will respectfully ask mods whether I can respond to this thread or, if necessary, I can create a new, broader thread in the main "Political Discussion and Debate" section.  It's up to you.

With that said, and until I am notified one way or another, I'd like to say a few things.

It is not that important to me ultimately what your personal view is of Islam.  If you want to stereotype and paint all Muslims with a broad brush, then I think you are wrong but you're personal ignorance on the matter doesn't really impact my life.

Where I draw the line is when your anger towards Islam drives you to support politicians and State policies that are immoral, abridge MY civil liberties and makes me and my family less safe.  It was not explicitly stated, but I was given the impression that some of you favored the Iraq War, and our foreign military interventions into the middle east by and large over the past two decades, if not more.  If anything, you're criticism is that we haven't been ruthless enough in killing "the Muslims".  We need to show them we mean business, not placate them like some pansy liberals we need not mention.  "The surge worked until Obama withdrew troops from Iraq" and all that stupid conservative propaganda.  I know the playbook well.

So, what is your idea of what our foreign policy should be?  I've told you mine so I'd like to hear your views.

[Solar]

So, Solar I guess suspended my account for a few days so I didn't post anything.  So I will respectfully ask mods whether I can respond to this thread or, if necessary, I can create a new, broader thread in the main "Political Discussion and Debate" section.  It's up to you.

With that said, and until I am notified one way or another, I'd like to say a few things.

It is not that important to me ultimately what your personal view is of Islam.  If you want to stereotype and paint all Muslims with a broad brush, then I think you are wrong but you're personal ignorance on the matter doesn't really impact my life.

Where I draw the line is when your anger towards Islam drives you to support politicians and State policies that are immoral, abridge MY civil liberties and makes me and my family less safe.  It was not explicitly stated, but I was given the impression that some of you favored the Iraq War, and our foreign military interventions into the middle east by and large over the past two decades, if not more.  If anything, you're criticism is that we haven't been ruthless enough in killing "the Muslims".  We need to show them we mean business, not placate them like some pansy liberals we need not mention.  "The surge worked until Obama withdrew troops from Iraq" and all that stupid conservative propaganda.  I know the playbook well.

So, what is your idea of what our foreign policy should be?  I've told you mine so I'd like to hear your views.

How thick are you?
This is the final warning, next time, you'll simply be disappeared.

Your myopic view of the world borders on pathological, or outright psychoneurotic, but suffice it to say, it's pure bull shit and a distraction from the real issues facing the nation at the moment, that being, Marxist destruction of the US.
Screw the Muscums, no one really gives a fuck what they want or think, because they have a serious problem with radicals in their political system, which reflects on each and everyone of the scumballs.

So here's the thing, this forum is here for Conservatives only, though you've been afforded a platform to make your case, and obviously you've failed miserably in making converts to your religion.
Which is why I'm giving you an ultimatum. Either start posting in the political forum on current events, or say thanks, and goodbye, because you are done hijacking the distraction forum.

[Late-For-Lunch]

So, Solar I guess suspended my account for a few days so I didn't post anything.  So I will respectfully ask mods whether I can respond to this thread or, if necessary, I can create a new, broader thread in the main "Political Discussion and Debate" section.  It's up to you.

With that said, and until I am notified one way or another, I'd like to say a few things.

It is not that important to me ultimately what your personal view is of Islam.  If you want to stereotype and paint all Muslims with a broad brush, then I think you are wrong but you're personal ignorance on the matter doesn't really impact my life.

Where I draw the line is when your anger towards Islam drives you to support politicians and State policies that are immoral, abridge MY civil liberties and makes me and my family less safe.  It was not explicitly stated, but I was given the impression that some of you favored the Iraq War, and our foreign military interventions into the middle east by and large over the past two decades, if not more.  If anything, you're criticism is that we haven't been ruthless enough in killing "the Muslims".  We need to show them we mean business, not placate them like some pansy liberals we need not mention.  "The surge worked until Obama withdrew troops from Iraq" and all that stupid conservative propaganda.  I know the playbook well.

So, what is your idea of what our foreign policy should be?  I've told you mine so I'd like to hear your views.

God, what a pompous ignoramus. Why are you even posting here, jdrodentfool? Obviously you are here only to teach, and not to learn. Good luck with that attitude. BTW, I have forgotten more about muzz than you will ever know - my father was full-blooded Arab who fled from muzzieland as fast as he could because he was smart enough to figure out what you avoid like Superman avoids Kryptonite - Islam is exactly what Salmon Rushdie says it is - Satanic Verses. But your arrogance is exceeded only by your ignorance, so you will remain both, likely to your dying day, as the Twelvers/Salafists laugh and laugh and laugh at the stupid infidels who both defend and enable them in their efforts to annihilate and exterminate every single person on the face of the Earth who stands in opposition to their efforts to bring the Twelfth Caliphate. Dhimmitude - define it. Taqqiya - define it. Salafist - define it. Wahabi- define it. Twelver - define it. How much of the Quran have you actually read? I'm guessing about zero- since you are clearly an expert in only one field - opinionology - which is the use of one fact-devoid, highly biased subjective opinion to validate another.  You are not even on the same level as a complete ignoramus on the Quran, Islam or jihaddism, because you would have to eradicate all of the erroneous nonsense that you believe to be the truth about those things, before you would even be on the same level as a complete ignoramus.
Feel free to start another thread (if you have the stones, which I doubt) and I will be happy to eviscerate each and every argument that you would care to put forth to support your lunacy and self-loathing love affair with the illusory nonsense that you believe embodies Islam.

I DARE YOU, troll. Show some guts and stand up for what you believe. (cricket sounds). I'm guessing that you are just another vicious cowardly ignoramus who will run away whining and spewing screed vomit as you scurry back to Huffpo, Daily Cause or whatever other carnival of mutual rape you call a Forum.

Oh, and just remember - if you are an atheist (which is very likely) the muzz are coming for you FIRST, even before Jews, Christians or any other deist or theist. See, they consider atheists to be worthy of only one thing - extermination. They will at least give a deist or theist of another belief a chance to convert. They just slaughter the atheists without hesitation or mercy.

Here's some beginner reading on your journey from the land of self-assured, absolute ignorance on Islam, "The Closed Circle" by David Pryce Jones . He is a Westerner who grew up in muzz nations so he actually knows what he is talking about - unlike you and 99% of all other muzz-loving fools I have encountered in the last ten or fifteen years.

[Dori]

I'm rather impressed by your eloquence...Thank You for that.

Yes, me too.....

[walkstall]

God, what a pompous ignoramus. Why are you even posting here, jdrodentfool? Obviously you are here only to teach, and not to learn. Good luck with that attitude. BTW, I have forgotten more about muzz than you will ever know - my father was full-blooded Arab who fled from muzzieland as fast as he could because he was smart enough to figure out what you avoid like Superman avoids Kryptonite - Islam is exactly what Salmon Rushdie says it is - Satanic Verses. But your arrogance is exceeded only by your ignorance, so you will remain both, likely to your dying day, as the Twelvers/Salafists laugh and laugh and laugh at the stupid infidels who both defend and enable them in their efforts to annihilate and exterminate every single person on the face of the Earth who stands in opposition to their efforts to bring the Twelfth Caliphate. Dhimmitude - define it. Taqqiya - define it. Salafist - define it. Wahabi- define it. Twelver - define it. How much of the Quran have you actually read? I'm guessing about zero- since you are clearly an expert in only one field - opinionology - which is the use of one fact-devoid, highly biased subjective opinion to validate another.  You are not even on the same level as a complete ignoramus on the Quran, Islam or jihaddism, because you would have to eradicate all of the erroneous nonsense that you believe to be the truth about those things, before you would even be on the same level as a complete ignoramus.
Feel free to start another thread (if you have the stones, which I doubt) and I will be happy to eviscerate each and every argument that you would care to put forth to support your lunacy and self-loathing love affair with the illusory nonsense that you believe embodies Islam.

I DARE YOU, troll. Show some guts and stand up for what you believe. (cricket sounds). I'm guessing that you are just another vicious cowardly ignoramus who will run away whining and spewing screed vomit as you scurry back to Huffpo, Daily Cause or whatever other carnival of mutual rape you call a Forum.

Oh, and just remember - if you are an atheist (which is very likely) the muzz are coming for you FIRST, even before Jews, Christians or any other deist or theist. See, they consider atheists to be worthy of only one thing - extermination. They will at least give a deist or theist of another belief a chance to convert. They just slaughter the atheists without hesitation or mercy.

Here's some beginner reading on your journey from the land of self-assured, absolute ignorance on Islam, "The Closed Circle" by David Pryce Jones . He is a Westerner who grew up in muzz nations so he actually knows what he is talking about - unlike you and 99% of all other muzz-loving fools I have encountered in the last ten or fifteen years.

BTW, I have forgotten more about muzz than you will ever know