The GOP Is Truly a House Divided Against Itself

Started by suzziY, October 12, 2014, 04:24:52 PM

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suzziY

This is an opinion piece, but an opinion that I feel  we really need to seriously consider.  The last few lines of the article speaks volumes:  In the end, the Republicans may gain control of the Senate, but to what end? To simply deny power to the Democrats? The GOP is truly a house divided against itself.  I however see Cruz and Paul leading the way.


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  Why Republicans may not win the Senate after all
By Craig Shirley
September 29, 2014

"...Establishment Republicans should keep the champagne on ice until after the midterm elections. Too many are already popping corks, pronouncing their strategy of "crushing" the Tea Party during the primaries as a crucial step in their successful takeover of the Senate...

...National polls show the GOP to be about as popular as the heartbreak of psoriasis. The Democrats, for all their faults (and they are many) remain more popular. Republicans are not for anything. They are defined as simply being against President Barack Obama and certainly not for any form of federalism...

Since the 1950s, beginning with the rise of Senator Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley's National Review, there has been a war for the soul of the GOP. But this time is different. The establishment Republicans loath the conservative-Reaganite-Tea Party-reformer-populists, viewing them as a serious threat. They stand as an indictment against the entire GOP insider culture.

...Now in danger of not taking the Senate — which should have been like taking candy from a Capitol Hill staffer — the GOP establishment is complaining about not have enough money for TV ads. Why not try articulating some principles?

Republican Party resources instead have been spent hiring opposition researchers to dig up information not on Democratic opponents but on Tea Party groups.

From every corner of the corporate-consultant axis of access, the GOP's establishment has rained down insults and invectives, on the Tea Party and its champions. Mike Murphy, architect of the campaigns of Presidents Lamar Alexander and Mitt Romney — ooops — has taken pot shots at Laura Ingraham for standing on principle...

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/09/29/banana-republicans-stand-between-the-gop-and-the-senate/


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Don't fall for these Rueters hit pieces, they are just another wing of leftist media.
The AP is no better.
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Cryptic Bert

If the GOP and congress in general are so unpopular why do voters keep voting the same people back into office?

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Quote from: The Boo Man... on October 12, 2014, 05:01:39 PM
If the GOP and congress in general are so unpopular why do voters keep voting the same people back into office?


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Quote from: suzziY on October 12, 2014, 04:24:52 PM
This is an opinion piece, but an opinion that I feel  we really need to seriously consider.  The last few lines of the article speaks volumes:  In the end, the Republicans may gain control of the Senate, but to what end? To simply deny power to the Democrats? The GOP is truly a house divided against itself.  I however see Cruz and Paul leading the way.


Opinion
The Great Debate
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  Why Republicans may not win the Senate after all
By Craig Shirley
September 29, 2014

"...Establishment Republicans should keep the champagne on ice until after the midterm elections. Too many are already popping corks, pronouncing their strategy of "crushing" the Tea Party during the primaries as a crucial step in their successful takeover of the Senate...

...National polls show the GOP to be about as popular as the heartbreak of psoriasis. The Democrats, for all their faults (and they are many) remain more popular. Republicans are not for anything. They are defined as simply being against President Barack Obama and certainly not for any form of federalism...

Since the 1950s, beginning with the rise of Senator Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley's National Review, there has been a war for the soul of the GOP. But this time is different. The establishment Republicans loath the conservative-Reaganite-Tea Party-reformer-populists, viewing them as a serious threat. They stand as an indictment against the entire GOP insider culture.

...Now in danger of not taking the Senate — which should have been like taking candy from a Capitol Hill staffer — the GOP establishment is complaining about not have enough money for TV ads. Why not try articulating some principles?

Republican Party resources instead have been spent hiring opposition researchers to dig up information not on Democratic opponents but on Tea Party groups.

From every corner of the corporate-consultant axis of access, the GOP's establishment has rained down insults and invectives, on the Tea Party and its champions. Mike Murphy, architect of the campaigns of Presidents Lamar Alexander and Mitt Romney — ooops — has taken pot shots at Laura Ingraham for standing on principle...

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/09/29/banana-republicans-stand-between-the-gop-and-the-senate/

Can you explain why you value this person's opinion? Why is it Mr. Shirley's opinion carries so much weight with you?

Solar

Quote from: The Boo Man... on October 12, 2014, 06:43:59 PM
Can you explain why you value this person's opinion? Why is it Mr. Shirley's opinion carries so much weight with you?
He may be right, but I take issue with his claim that Pubs will lose.
The only losers here are the RINO, not the party, TEA will see to that. It seems that too many closely connected to the Establishment are blinded by the realities beyond DC.

Whether it's a lib writing or a Pub, neither seem to have their finger on the pulse of the constituency, a very angry constituency that will have no more of the same as usual BS from either party.
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Quote from: Solar on October 12, 2014, 07:24:21 PM
He may be right, but I take issue with his claim that Pubs will lose.
The only losers here are the RINO, not the party, TEA will see to that. It seems that too many closely connected to the Establishment are blinded by the realities beyond DC.

Whether it's a lib writing or a Pub, neither seem to have their finger on the pulse of the constituency, a very angry constituency that will have no more of the same as usual BS from either party.

I have some issues with his assessment. He says there are "increasing signs" The GOP will lose and cites Tillis in North Carolina who has run a crap campaign and Wehby in Oregon as if Oregon isn't uber liberal.

He then talks about how unpopular the GOP is with voters. True but the congress in general is unpopular however the voters continue to return the same people to Washington every year.

He talks about the GOP trying to nationalize the election. That happens every cycle. Especially is the president isn't popular.

He says the GOP doesn't have a story to tell. They do! And it is Liberalism doesn't work. This cycle the GOP has been smart and has let Obama's policies speak for themselves. It doesn't matter if the GOP is only against Obama because the country is as well. Not to mention the GOP has released it's platform.

He repeatedly says the GOP is in danger yet the polling says otherwise. Latest polls: Sullivan (R-Alaska) up by six. Cotton (R-Arkansas) up by seven. Gardner (R-Colorado) up by six.  Perdue (R-GA) up by one and has never trailed).  Roberts (R-KS) up by five. McConnell (R-KY) up by four. Cassidy (R-LA) up by six.

I need to address one more thing. The Tea Party is growing and maturing and has gotten better every election cycle but we need to remember one important thing. Just because a candidate is not part of the Tea Party or isn't endorsed by the Tea Party does not mean that candidate is a RINO. The Tea Party is coming to terms with the fact that for it to survive it will have to play the game of politics. Not every candidate will be perfect and not every perfect candidate will be electable.

Solar

Quote from: The Boo Man... on October 12, 2014, 09:58:01 PM
I have some issues with his assessment. He says there are "increasing signs" The GOP will lose and cites Tillis in North Carolina who has run a crap campaign and Wehby in Oregon as if Oregon isn't uber liberal.

He then talks about how unpopular the GOP is with voters. True but the congress in general is unpopular however the voters continue to return the same people to Washington every year.

He talks about the GOP trying to nationalize the election. That happens every cycle. Especially is the president isn't popular.

He says the GOP doesn't have a story to tell. They do! And it is Liberalism doesn't work. This cycle the GOP has been smart and has let Obama's policies speak for themselves. It doesn't matter if the GOP is only against Obama because the country is as well. Not to mention the GOP has released it's platform.

He repeatedly says the GOP is in danger yet the polling says otherwise. Latest polls: Sullivan (R-Alaska) up by six. Cotton (R-Arkansas) up by seven. Gardner (R-Colorado) up by six.  Perdue (R-GA) up by one and has never trailed).  Roberts (R-KS) up by five. McConnell (R-KY) up by four. Cassidy (R-LA) up by six.

I need to address one more thing. The Tea Party is growing and maturing and has gotten better every election cycle but we need to remember one important thing. Just because a candidate is not part of the Tea Party or isn't endorsed by the Tea Party does not mean that candidate is a RINO. The Tea Party is coming to terms with the fact that for it to survive it will have to play the game of politics. Not every candidate will be perfect and not every perfect candidate will be electable.
Admittedly I didn't read the entire article, I quit after getting the gist of his nonsense.
And I agree and think TEA knows it as well, which is why they avoid attacking non TEA candidates, and only support TEA possibilities.
Some areas just don't have a TEA nominee, so why focus your energy on races that don't matter.

Granted, there are still going to be people voting against RINO like Mitch, as to be expected, but the TEA platform is not endorsing the tactic.
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I don't think it's merely an Opinion but a fact.

If you consider for a moment that on the one side you have true conservatives who have in the past made that Party what it is, a viable, national political party.

And on the other hand, liberals, who pretend to be conservative when faced with re-election back home in their district, yet vote liberal, speak liberal, and behave as liberals behave when back in Washington.

Clearly the party is divided against itself.

This is made especially clear when one considers that there are even so called "Republicans" who are what is lovingly termed, RINO's (Republican in name only, is what Rino stands for btw, in case someone didn't know that).

Which have even at times gone so far as to caucus with the DNC. Or in other words, vote down the line with and as they are told to vote by the leadership of the liberal, Dim-o-crap, party.

Yes it's more than a mere opinion that the Rnc is a house divided against itself.

That's a fact.

And it's also why I say it's time that we as American's use the power of our votes, to see to it that a Rino, or a Liberal member of the Dim-o-crap party is voted out of office.

And that one is never again in our lifetimes re-elected or elected to office.

It is why I say, it is time that Americans got serious about preserving our nation, our prosperity, our very God given rights, and use the power of our vote.

To End both the RNC and the DNC as viable national political entities.

We the people can do that you know, we have done it in our past history in fact.

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No question, the GOP is divided into two factions. So what. The dems are divided into so may factions I can't identify the number. However, they have the ability to come together and retain power. The GOP needs to master that trick as well. There is no reason the social conservative Black community should support the nonsense the dem party believes in, but they do election after election. Also, the working middle class has nothing in common with the Hollywood leftists or the NE rich elitists, but they vote lockstep come election day. It befuddles me as it makes no sense.
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Quote from: supsalemgr on October 13, 2014, 02:18:23 PM
However, they have the ability to come together and retain power.

Not really.  We blow them away on that.  And we're about to do it again.  Dems have been copying us

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Quote from: supsalemgr on October 13, 2014, 02:18:23 PM
No question, the GOP is divided into two factions. So what. The dems are divided into so may factions I can't identify the number. However, they have the ability to come together and retain power. The GOP needs to master that trick as well. There is no reason the social conservative Black community should support the nonsense the dem party believes in, but they do election after election. Also, the working middle class has nothing in common with the Hollywood leftists or the NE rich elitists, but they vote lockstep come election day. It befuddles me as it makes no sense.

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