Really tired of Ferguson, MO

[TboneAgain]

Lovely.  So the criminal blacks are invading Ferguson and destroying the property of normal blacks.

Maybe, I dunno. That's not really what I was trying to say. I merely sought to point out a fairly breathtaking shift in the demographic makeup of Ferguson.

I've seen things like this happen before, though on a smaller scale. It reminds me of a practice in the real estate world called 'blockbusting.' I haven't heard much about it lately, but 'blockbusting' was a common practice when I was a youngster. Both the houses my parents sold when I was living at home were 'blockbuster' houses, meaning that they were the first on the block of our street to sell to a black buyer. The first time was in 1961, the second in 1968, and the city was Dayton, Ohio. After my parents sold to a black buyer (not by intention -- no one else came to look at either house), the remaining properties on the block went on the market and quickly sold, all to blacks, like dominoes. Property values plunged, but real estate agents loved it because of the surge in volume. Commissions on individual property sales went down with property values, but suddenly a neighborhood that produced one or two sales last year produces 10 or 15 sales this year and next, until the racial turnover is complete.

[daidalos]

I don't believe we have the FACTS about this situation.

I think if we are polite and comply with police, there is little chance of an incident happening.

I don't believe a police officer just fired at someone without some provocation.  After that, I don't think we know what happened. 

I don't believe the public HAS A RIGHT to know the police officer's name, as he is now in danger.

I don't believe vandalism or looting is justified for ANY reason.

I think citizens should be allowed PEACEFUL demonstration, however, once it is not peaceful, other citizens need to be PROTECTED.

The press should be allowed to cover events (gee, I wish they would do more reporting on other topics) as long as they are not IN THE WAY. 

Criminal behavior does not help any cause along.  It makes YOU look worse.

DaisyJane   

Yes the public, for many reasons not the least of which is this nation doesn't have "secret police" does have a right to know who was involved. It is the public which pays his paycheck and employs him after all.

But that information should only be disseminated, AFTER the standard required investigations which happen anytime the police are involved in a shooting incident have been conducted.

Especially if, after the investigations are done, said officer has been charged with some offense committed in a shooting incident.

While I agree that all the facts are not yet known. Because those aforementioned investigations have not be conculded yet.

We do know from media reports that the officer at first claimed he'd approached the deceased because they matched the description of an alleged reported theft.

And then changed his story and claimed he had stopped the deceased and his "friend"/"cousin" because they were in the middle of the street blocking traffic.

We do know, the deceased is on video surveillance from a store, apparently engaging in theft.

We do know, the deceased was approached by the officer, we do know the deceased was shot and killed by that officer.

That's it.

Now that said, anytime an officer changes their story as has been asserted by the local P.D. there, red flags often do, and frankly ought to go up in the minds of the public.

This does not however justify, rioting, looting, and violence against other citizens/officers.

While I am not saying this particular officer did or didn't do anything wrong. Because as mentioned before the investigations are not done, we don't know what happened between the time the officer stopped the deceased, and the deceased was shot.

But, police officers, like the criminals they are supposed to protect society from, are human beings who are doing a job.

Because they are human beings too.  Police officers are subject to the same failings any other human being is.

Just because they get up in the morning put on a uniform, wear a badge and strap on a holster with a gun, it does not mean that they are somehow perfect.

Immune and incapable of such failings as lying, making mistakes, and yes even committing murders.

[Solar]

Maybe, I dunno. That's not really what I was trying to say. I merely sought to point out a fairly breathtaking shift in the demographic makeup of Ferguson.

I've seen things like this happen before, though on a smaller scale. It reminds me of a practice in the real estate world called 'blockbusting.' I haven't heard much about it lately, but 'blockbusting' was a common practice when I was a youngster. Both the houses my parents sold when I was living at home were 'blockbuster' houses, meaning that they were the first on the block of our street to sell to a black buyer. The first time was in 1961, the second in 1968, and the city was Dayton, Ohio. After my parents sold to a black buyer (not by intention -- no one else came to look at either house), the remaining properties on the block went on the market and quickly sold, all to blacks, like dominoes. Property values plunged, but real estate agents loved it because of the surge in volume. Commissions on individual property sales went down with property values, but suddenly a neighborhood that produced one or two sales last year produces 10 or 15 sales this year and next, until the racial turnover is complete.

Same happened in my area in the 60s after LBJ bulldozed the projects, went from 95% white, to around 70% black in less than a decade.
Then in a short decade later, Vietnamese move into the area replacing the remaining whites, then followed the Russians, and finally the Mexicans.

Like many areas, property values attract certain groups, and as property values decline, other groups buy in, and the circle completes it's cycle when developers start picking up abandoned property at a steal.

I still own my parents home, and still waiting for the mkt to turn around so I can unload the damn thing.

[Charliemyboy]

I don't know the truth of the incident.  From eyewitnesses, it appears that a police officer shot a young black man as he was running from him, the young man turned around with his arms raised in surrender and he was then shot numerous times.  One witness said that he was also shot in the head as he lay on the street. 

All or none of that may be true and the truth will out.  However, that is not what is so disturbing to me.  Barack Hussein Obama said when he was running for President the first time that he would form a "Domestic army," just as well equipped and well trained as the traditional military.  Yesterday, during an interview with Shepard Smith, the spokesman for the Pentagon said that local police departments had been given tanks, armored personnel carriers, weapons.  I believe we saw the result of this Wednesday night when there were officers looking like Hitler's storm troopers manning automatic weapons on tripods, and there were armored personnel carriers.  The police were throwing some kind of stun grenade and I have never seen that before.  My point is this.  I believe that by arming local police departments as Obama has done, and by creating militias within every government agency, IRS, Social Security Administration, and Bureau of Land Management, which we saw at the Bundy standoff, he now has his "Domestic army," armed and from what I saw, it appeared ready to shoot down their fellow citizens in the street with those weapons

I find it a frightening prospect.  IMO those officers in their big boy garb were itching to shoot someone.  They looked nervous and jumpy.  I believe only providence prevented a bloodbath. 

We have a right to peaceably assemble without being threatened by Obama's army.  The press has a right to cover incidents of this sort without being arrested and assaulted. 

Welcome to North Korea.

[daidalos]

I don't know the truth of the incident.  From eyewitnesses, it appears that a police officer shot a young black man as he was running from him, the young man turned around with his arms raised in surrender and he was then shot numerous times.  One witness said that he was also shot in the head as he lay on the street. 

All or none of that may be true and the truth will out.  However, that is not what is so disturbing to me.  Barack Hussein Obama said when he was running for President the first time that he would form a "Domestic army," just as well equipped and well trained as the traditional military.  Yesterday, during an interview with Shepard Smith, the spokesman for the Pentagon said that local police departments had been given tanks, armored personnel carriers, weapons.  I believe we saw the result of this Wednesday night when there were officers looking like Hitler's storm troopers manning automatic weapons on tripods, and there were armored personnel carriers.  The police were throwing some kind of stun grenade and I have never seen that before.  My point is this.  I believe that by arming local police departments as Obama has done, and by creating militias within every government agency, IRS, Social Security Administration, and Bureau of Land Management, which we saw at the Bundy standoff, he now has his "Domestic army," armed and from what I saw, it appeared ready to shoot down their fellow citizens in the street with those weapons

I find it a frightening prospect.  IMO those officers in their big boy garb were itching to shoot someone.  They looked nervous and jumpy.  I believe only providence prevented a bloodbath. 

We have a right to peaceably assemble without being threatened by Obama's army.  The press has a right to cover incidents of this sort without being arrested and assaulted. 

Welcome to North Korea.

Yes he did.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

And it's not North Korea, Obama wants to create, it's a new WWII Germany type, Nazi America he's after.

We are, right now, before our eyes seeing the creation of a new S.S. right here in America.

Who was it that said it can't happen here?

[daidalos]

Things which make one go hmmm....and why I for one say, don't be so fast to rush to the cops defense.

First the P.D. says the encounter between the deceased and the police happened as the result of being a robbery suspect.

Then they say it was due to jaywalking (which leads credence to his "cousins" version of the events) who has claimed since day one, that they were stopped for jaywalking that his "cousin" was shot "execution style" in the head while down, immobile on the ground.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/15/ferguson-police-releasing-name-of-officer-who-shot-michael-brown/

Which way is it?

Was it a stop because the guy matched a robbery report, as the officer in his official on scene incident report claimed, and was later claimed by the local P.D. chief, or a traffic stop as they now claim?

And which his "cousin" has claimed was the reason they were approached by the officer since day one.

The fact that what the police initially claimed, is contradictory to what they are now claiming as the reason for the contact between the victim and the officer. Tends to lend credence to the one known witness to the incident. The "cousin".

But then I found this:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

Now I grant you have to also take into account the source....

But apparently there is already a precedent of officers, on this police force, not only abusing and assaulting citizens, who are already in custody and confined. Which is federally a violation of a citizens civil rights.

But also knowingly lying, and perjuring themselves about their abuse and assault of a citizen when doing so.


Oh, and while I don't know for certain about M.O. law, in most cases, I do know that in most states, when an officer signs a complaint, when an officer signs an incident report on scene, they do so under penalty of perjury. Or in other words, they do so under oath.

Given the existence of this prior case, where officers did infact obviously while under oath perjure themselves attempting to cover up illegalities committed by certain P.D. officers.

I have to now say that yeah someone at the State or Federal levels def needs to be looking into this shooting.

We cannot simply trust, that the P.D. will police themselves, and tell the public who has the right to know the truth, the truth.

I still do not think however, that E. Holder and company, who right now is in Contempt of Congress, for lying to the Congress in sworn testimony, and should be inhabiting a jail cell of his own as you or I would be if we lied to the Congress while under oath.

Who himself has a proven track record of lying while under oath.

Or in other words already has a PROVEN track record of perjury.

And who themselves have a proven track history of being less than equitable and impartial based upon race factors.

Are who should be investigating this incident.


As for video, if  there is any, and there very well maybe video out there of the shooting.  Whether it be cell video or C.C. security etc....I would expect it's in the hands of officials investigating the shooting at this time.

And if not, I hope who the hell ever does have it, is smart enough to know to only give a copy, keep the original themselves.

[carlb]

Well, here's your "teen."




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[kit saginaw]

Some are still rioting and looting this morning, eh?  How boring.  -Running out of supplies they stole earlier in the week.  -Cuz that's all the truthers are good for now. 

[daidalos]

Well, here's your "teen."

Not that what apparently went on in that video was not, inappropriate and criminal behavior.

That video, according to the P.D. itself, has zero to do with the shooting, as according to the P.D. the officer involved in the shooting knew nothing about it, or the robbery at the time of the shooting.

So what was it's release for, other than that is, perhaps an attempted character assassination?

Or was it released to "prime the pump" as it were for the claim we now hear from the P.D. there that this kid and his friend attacked and assaulted the officer, beating him so badly that he had to receive treatment for injuries in the E.R., and that it was only after they attempted to disarm the officer when the officer used deadly force.

As we don't know the facts yet all we really have are more questions thanks to this video, it's release, and the claims/statements the local P.D. there have made.

Which is why again, Obama shouldn't be out there flapping his gums about this, why the Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's need to be shown to the door.

And why yes, these people who are there rioting and looting, should be met with arrest and prosecution.

For example this:







Is NOT protesting, it is driving dangerously, recklessly, and in violation of the driving laws of that state.

This:

http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/15/6005451/victory-in-ferguson-missouri

It's difficult to quantify the real tension in a scene as an outsider, but the ingredients for disaster were present Thursday night. Many in the crowd were drinking and smoking cannabis openly

Is NOT protesting, it is illegal drug use, and public intoxication and a violation of the laws of that state as well as a violation of the Federal laws of this nation too.

The point being that even IF this shooting were totally unjustified, even IF it were flat out, bald faced murder, that still does not justify what these rioters and looters are doing now.


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[supsalemgr]

The circus is now complete. The Rev. Jackson has shown up.

[ConservativeMe]

These people say they want respect, want justice, want equality, want this, want that, and then go and act like this.  It doesn't give me a reason to see them in a positive light when I see reports of looting, rioting and destruction.  I see a bunch of people acting more like animals instead of humans.

[TboneAgain]

The circus is now complete. The Rev. Jackson has shown up.

Yep, and at that point, all pretense of legitimacy is gone. Words like "charlatan" and "pretender" are much too nice. Jackson is a fraud, a liar, a joke, and -- worst of all -- a compatriot of Al Sharpton.

The details of the shooting incident will probably never be fully known. The fact that the incident is being used for race-baiting political purposes is already established.

[walkstall]

A Cop Is Killed Every 58 Hours


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This hysterical nonsense must be stopped.

The Cirque du Cop-Bashing, with Al Sharpton as ringmaster, is working overtime to exploit the deadly incident in Ferguson, Mo. That means stoking anti–law enforcement fires at all costs.

Are there bad cops? Yes. Does the police state go overboard sometimes? Yes. Do the demagogues decrying systemic racism and braying about "assassinations" know what happened when teenager Mike Brown was tragically shot and killed last week? No.

Here's a reality check. While narcissistic liberal journalists and college kids are all posting "hands up" selfies in hipster solidarity with Ferguson protesters, it's law-enforcement officers who risk their lives in "war zones" every day across the country.

The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) reports that a total of 1,501 law-enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past ten years, an average of one death every 58 hours, or 150 per year. These include local and state police officers, federal officers, correctional officers, and military law-enforcement officers.


more @
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/385458/cop-killed-every-58-hours-michelle-malkin

[carlb]

Not that what apparently went on in that video was not, inappropriate and criminal behavior.

So what was it's release for, other than that is, perhaps an attempted character assassination?

Inappropriate?     I think the video clearly establishes that this street thug has no "character."  This rioting makes a great case for the police being heavily armed.

It's "funny," (in a sad way) to watch otherwise thoughtful blacks circle the wagons to protect common street thugs based solely on race, who wouldn't hesitate to rob, assault, rape and murder their own (other blacks), but because a "white" person was involved, feel the need to riot. They'd have a completely different outlook if this thug were Muslim or an illegal invader.

[TboneAgain]

Inappropriate?     I think the video clearly establishes that this street thug has no "character."  This rioting makes a great case for the police being heavily armed.

It's "funny," (in a sad way) to watch otherwise thoughtful blacks circle the wagons to protect common street thugs based solely on race, who wouldn't hesitate to rob, assault, rape and murder their own (other blacks), but because a "white" person was involved, feel the need to riot. They'd have a completely different outlook if this thug were Muslim or an illegal invader.

I doubt that. A Muslim thug or an illegal invader would most likely be welcomed and defended. Anyone and anything other than a white male would be welcome.