Outrage Over Alleged Russian Hacking

[Possum]

You aren't getting it.  Wondering if Russians are trying to hack into our government and companies is like wondering if 19 year old boys are trying to get laid.  Definitively saying Trump has a connection to Russia to hack into the US and throw the election is like saying there's a connection between a girl's choice in shoes and why the teenage boys are trying to bang her.

By the way, Russia, next time you throw an election by hacking, make it a little more of a blowout.  If Dems voted with Hillary like they voted Dem on the down ticket in PA, and if she didn't lose a ton of Cuban votes (she could have picked off 120k Cubans if she was stronger against Castro and maybe denounced his support - Trump got ~54% or so) in Florida, then your entire hacking plan would have gone down in flames.  Try a little harder next time.

The issue is the hypocricy of Libs that Russia had an effect while they have been asleep at the wheel.  We have Muzzies deep in the WH, classified material floating everywhere on Gmail and elsewhere, and on and on, and NOW they wonder why it could have happened?

My question now is why did Hillary get so many votes?  I'm starting to think they hacked the system to put her ahead.

Can hacking get dead people to vote?

[Billy's bayonet]

russia wants trump not hilary, this is a well known fact, but the question is does trump feel the same about them.

Uhhhhhhhh.....Hillary was eyeball deep in that fishy deal involving Uranium sales to Russia and the Russian don't want Hillary?.....HMMMMMMMMM?

[blades]

Uhhhhhhhh.....Hillary was eyeball deep in that fishy deal involving Uranium sales to Russia and the Russian don't want Hillary?.....HMMMMMMMMM?

you make a good point ..but you know how political winds can change direction...that would require Putin to be consistent and trustworthy

but then we have trumps praise of Putin along with the deep connections of so many on his staff

[taxed]

Uhhhhhhhh.....Hillary was eyeball deep in that fishy deal involving Uranium sales to Russia and the Russian don't want Hillary?.....HMMMMMMMMM?

Bingo....

[Billy's bayonet]

you make a good point ..but you know how political winds can change direction...that would require Putin to be consistent and trustworthy

but then we have trumps praise of Putin along with the deep connections of so many on his staff

As a Businessman, Trump see's Russia as 'consumers', nothing more....and what does Russia consume the most?....Yup...OIL. Putting Tillerson in the SOS slot is a shrewd move, Tillerson as an Exxon CEO is up on the Geopolitics of oil and those countries impacted worldwide. Better we deal with the world from a standpoint of trade, which we could easily dominate, rather than be on a war footing.

Suppose the game plan is to get Russia to buy OUR oil (cheaper) than Iran's oil, such a move would hit Iran in the piggy bank...no more money for Nukes, no more money to Hamas, no more money to terrorists, etc etc.

Putin has to know that his relationship with Iran is a treacherous one, he has to know that one day those people are going to turn on him....maybe he is looking for a way 'out'

BUT, Hillary would be easier to control and manipulate than trump.

[blades]

As a Businessman, Trump see's Russia as 'consumers', nothing more....and what does Russia consume the most?....Yup...OIL. Putting Tillerson in the SOS slot is a shrewd move, Tillerson as an Exxon CEO is up on the Geopolitics of oil and those countries impacted worldwide. Better we deal with the world from a standpoint of trade, which we could easily dominate, rather than be on a war footing.

Suppose the game plan is to get Russia to buy OUR oil (cheaper) than Iran's oil, such a move would hit Iran in the piggy bank...no more money for Nukes, no more money to Hamas, no more money to terrorists, etc etc.

Putin has to know that his relationship with Iran is a treacherous one, he has to know that one day those people are going to turn on him....maybe he is looking for a way 'out'

BUT, Hillary would be easier to control and manipulate than trump.

I dont think thats the job of POTUS to inject himself into private business..

ie a violation of the constitution

now he is in control of regs and laws, so other than clearing a path for such a transaction its not his job.

unless of course the new conservative thought has changed

[Ghoulardi]

you lost me at go ...


''I said honest debate by whose definition? You've already told us you think whatever media your going to for information is more honest then the one we go to''.


this is complete bullsht and you know it...I never said anything of the kind...

You did the second you started touting your media statements as honest. Otherwise you think our are just as honest as yours, but no...while parroting what your media claims, you say you won't be a sucker to the media.

as far as changing the subject,...well the subject has no meaning...by no matter who hacked who or why it changes nothing ...unless you are now saying we are buddy buddy with russia??

The subject has no meaning yet you challenge it. If it has no meaning, why bring it up?

[Solar]

The fact that 'Pubs made a good showing in down-ballot elections across the nations supports your conclusion that people are, in general, sick and tired of the socialist encroachment on our society. I will not debate that point at all.

But, I do wonder if we would be looking at another 4-8 years of demoncrap leadership in the WH if the dims had gathered the brains to run someone who is somewhat more likeable than a dose of the clap? Where I work there are a lot of registered democrats, and I heard more than one say they didn't like Clinton in the slightest, with a couple of them saying they did not plan to vote for her.

I do strongly believe if anyone but Trump had the 'Pub nomination to run against Clinton, there would be no talk of a difference between the popular vote and the College. Had the 'Pubs fielded a more widely likeable, strong candidate, and put them up against Shrillery, the Electoral map would look more like Reagan v Mondale.

No doubt, and the GOP/RNC knew it and still did their best to kill off Cruz, who would have repeated Reagan's 1980 sweep.
As to running an 'other than clinton', they couldn't, they didn't have anyone qualified or the least bit likeable.
It was Leon Panetta that admitted that TEA had decimated (I'm pretty sure), literally kneecapped the Dim party during two historic midterm weeps taking more than 1000 Legislative seats in 2010 alone, and severing their artery feeding the party of new blood.
They literally admitted they had no fresh faces to bring forth to the party, all they have left are aging Marxists with no appeal.

[Ghoulardi]

I dont think thats the job of POTUS to inject himself into private business..

ie a violation of the constitution

Then you should support Trump and give him the benefit of the doubt, he's the president-elect according to the constitution

now he is in control of regs and laws, so other than clearing a path for such a transaction its not his job.

unless of course the new conservative thought has changed

You prefer Hillary in the big chair, controling regs and laws clearing paths for transactions--like the Russian uranium deal--not her job?

[Billy's bayonet]

I dont think thats the job of POTUS to inject himself into private business..

ie a violation of the constitution

now he is in control of regs and laws, so other than clearing a path for such a transaction its not his job.

unless of course the new conservative thought has changed

Dealing with a major foreign superpower for the benefit of our Country is not "private business", Promoting our economy, domestic job growth, international trade and signing into law those rules regs and congressional bills impacting such matters is indeed part of the Presidents job....or should be. Likewise redacting rules, regs and prohibitive laws like those promoting the global warming agenda (Obamao and crowd) should be as well.

[blades]

You did the second you started touting your media statements as honest. Otherwise you think our are just as honest as yours, but no...while parroting what your media claims, you say you won't be a sucker to the media.

The subject has no meaning yet you challenge it. If it has no meaning, why bring it up?

I played trumps own words ...any media post I made was just additional ..time to be honest here
I didnt bring it up, just tired of hearing about it
as for the subject matter.last week it was fake news..this week its russia hack...
whats next week??? gotta be something distracting to keep from the real issues that trump is loading his anti establishment team with establishment guys..

just be warned it aint gettin better..

you know if it wasnt for the trump worshipers paying homage to their deity on a daily basis while he is making hypocrites of them, there would be no reason to post the reality of their ignorance.

trump is a big government prick that will do anything he damn well pleases and I for one will not remain silent 
just like I did with obama and bush...and clinton and bush...was to young at the time to give honest critic of reagan but have found he wasnt much better

[taxed]

I dont think thats the job of POTUS to inject himself into private business..

Where did he do that?

[blades]

Where did he do that?

it was in reference to doing oil deals with russia...but he did with carrier ...not going to mention the threats  he has made at least a dozen times...OOPS I just did

[taxed]

it was in reference to doing oil deals with russia...

President Trump did oil deals in Russia?  I had no idea.

but he did with carrier ...

No he didn't.

not going to mention the threats  he has made at least a dozen times...OOPS I just did

I'm not under the illusion that President Trump is a free market purist.  In theory, it should be moot if he can make happen what he says, but I'm not bailing simply because he's not a purist.  In reality, any President who isn't against income taxes, minimum wage, and unions isn't a free-market purist.  Therefore, I won't clutch my pearls when he barks at companies for moving away and trying to get them to stay.

[blades]

President Trump did oil deals in Russia?  I had no idea.
No he didn't.
I'm not under the illusion that President Trump is a free market purist.  In theory, it should be moot if he can make happen what he says, but I'm not bailing simply because he's not a purist.  In reality, any President who isn't against income taxes, minimum wage, and unions isn't a free-market purist.  Therefore, I won't clutch my pearls when he barks at companies for moving away and trying to get them to stay.

please read back over what I said...I was responding to a coment billy made..

and yes he did get involved with carrier..first he threatened them and any other co. that wanted to move ...and then he was in the room for the deal with indiana....and then he took credit for it..
i think that counts as injecting himself in private business

and I am not bailing on the country and constitution since that is the only thing he will swear an oath to..

this is supposed to be about making america great again...not lets make a deal