Splitting California didn't make the ballot

[quiller]

We were SO looking forward to Fruity Mango and Happy Apple.

Oh, wait, those are Linux programs.... 

A California ballot initiative that would have given voters a chance to divide the state into six parts failed to garner enough signatures, the California secretary of state said Friday.

The campaign, largely funded by venture capitalist Tim Draper, contested the secretary of state's results.

"Six Californias collected more than enough signatures to place the initiative on the November 2016 ballot and we are confident that a full check of the signatures would confirm that fact," said Draper in a statement.

In July, the group said it had gathered 1.3 million signatures, well over the roughly 808,000 needed to get on the November 2016 ballot.

Draper has argued that state residents would be better served by smaller governments, and the group was getting ready to roll out six individual websites for each state — which would include Draper's would-be home state of "Silicon Valley" and "West California," future home of Los Angeles.

The discrepancy between the number of valid signatures Draper's group thought it had gathered and the lower number estimated by the state seems to lie in how they were confirmed.

http://www.freep.com/article/20140913/NEWS07/309130056/Six-Californias-fails-ballot

[kit saginaw]

Well, the seed is planted in Californians' minds at least.  A secession-movement is potentially in flux. 

Americans are not gonna tolerate an ever-growing, ponderously intrusive Government that'll tax the last person working to feed itself.

Right now, legal means are being tried.  Other options will follow...

[supsalemgr]

We were SO looking forward to Fruity Mango and Happy Apple.

Oh, wait, those are Linux programs.... 

http://www.freep.com/article/20140913/NEWS07/309130056/Six-Californias-fails-ballot

For the sake of debate. What would happen if the citizens of CA voted for this? It would not automatically mean the six states would be recognized countrywide. Adding a state requires congressional approval and approval of 2/3 of the states. There is no way the states would approve 10 additional senators from CA.

[kit saginaw]

CLARIFICATION.. I meant to type 'splitcession'.

[Dr. Meh]

For the sake of debate. What would happen if the citizens of CA voted for this? It would not automatically mean the six states would be recognized countrywide. Adding a state requires congressional approval and approval of 2/3 of the states. There is no way the states would approve 10 additional senators from CA.

Why wouldn't they? The whole ppint of this was because the conservatives here are sick of the lib cesspools of San Francisco and LA dictating the rules governing the whole state and destroying us economically and morally. I think most other states would welcome fewer liberal reps and more conservative ones. I don't think out of staters like you really understand our political climate at all. We have A LOT of conservatives. It's just that those two huge cities are loaded with leeching liberals.

[supsalemgr]

Why wouldn't they? The whole ppint of this was because the conservatives here are sick of the lib cesspools of San Francisco and LA dictating the rules governing the whole state and destroying us economically and morally. I think most other states would welcome fewer liberal reps and more conservative ones. I don't think out of staters like you really understand our political climate at all. We have A LOT of conservatives. It's just that those two huge cities are loaded with leeching liberals.

My question was not about conservative or liberal. It was about other states having their power diluted. I fully understand the libs are primarily in the LA and Bay areas.

[Dr. Meh]

My question was not about conservative or liberal. It was about other states having their power diluted. I fully understand the libs are primarily in the LA and Bay areas.

By your rational, states would welcome merging with other states to make them more "powerful" or influential. I don't think states would have that concern at all.

[supsalemgr]

By your rational, states would welcome merging with other states to make them more "powerful" or influential. I don't think states would have that concern at all.

We are not thinking along the same lines. States would not want to merge as they would lose two senators. OTOH, two states might want to merge if it would be financially beneficial on a local level.

Getting back to CA. I am assuming from your post of the six states, four would lean conservative and two would be liberal leaning. That being the case I could see opposition from both conservative and liberal states as they would not desire to see more senators with opposing leanings. I could see this more from liberal states as they would see two safe democrat seast morph into eight GOP seats and and only two additional dem seats.

[Solar]

I doubt it will ever happen. One reason, the boundaries are bull shit, they included way too many libs into Conservative areas, and secondly, as the movement grows, those in power will do everything to stop it.
Think 3rd party, the establishment will never let it happen.

[supsalemgr]

I doubt it will ever happen. One reason, the boundaries are bull shit, they included way too many libs into Conservative areas, and secondly, as the movement grows, those in power will do everything to stop it.
Think 3rd party, the establishment will never let it happen.

I agree. With current political makeup of the state the libs will have no part of it.

[Solar]

I agree. With current political makeup of the state the libs will have no part of it.

Exactly! No matter what, even libs don't want to be a minority in a Conservative state.
The only real solution is to split it down the middle, giving the leftists the Bay area and the Cons Sacto.
And that would never fly either.

[Billy's bayonet]

A nice pipe dream...never happen, too bad, I'd like to see it maybe Virginia would follow suit and finally annex Northern Virginia and let the rest of the State be the conservative bastion it truly is.