Man Dies After Being Shocked With a Taser by a Hartford Police Officer

[carlb]

How many taser hits did Rodney King need after he had taken PCP? Three? Four? AND the baton-work? And he STILL was giving the cops hell?

But, I thought it t was settled?  King was a victim "motorist". Reginald Denny, however, was asking for it!

[redbeard]

For a long time, Hartford has had a thriving Italian community. They tend to avoid over doing the political bit, unlike the Irish and the blacks. Without having looked into the story, I can assume that Russo is one of the South End Italians and that his malady, what ever it was, was all his own.
You have to wonder why people would try to turn this into a profiling or brutality case. It goes to show that once the left wing gets the bit, it tends to run crazy with it. If the deal is what I think it is, the black-lives won't have much luck exploiting this one.

If only black lives matter why are we talking about this?

[red_dirt]

If only black lives matter why are we talking about this?

Black Lives Matter is a front for an agenda that wants to undermine law and order any way it can. The press has been catching a lot of flack for blowing incidents of black's on the receiving end all out of proportion compared to those incidents perpetrated by blacks, which the press smothers.
This Russo death gives them the perfect opportunity to portray the police as brutal. Hartford, like Norwalk and New Haven, are now considered big league cities for all sorts of contrived racial unrest.

[Blacky]

Of course sedative would be enough, and mental health workers definitely had it. I guess cop used his taser on Russo's neck which is the most sensitive body part to use it on, and cop knew that.

[Solar]

Of course sedative would be enough, and mental health workers definitely had it. I guess cop used his taser on Russo's neck which is the most sensitive body part to use it on, and cop knew that.

Who do you think arrived first? Is it a paramedics job to wrestle a 400lb, manic male to the ground, are they trained to do physical take downs, are they armed with defensive weapons?

Or, are you, as a paramedic, instructed to let the police do what they're trained for, and if you went against that directive, would you be fired in the least, or worst case scenario, sued if Heaven forbid, the patient dies?

Tell me again, how does your scenario work in the face of reality?

[walkstall]

Of course sedative would be enough, and mental health workers definitely had it. I guess cop used his taser on Russo's neck which is the most sensitive body part to use it on, and cop knew that.

Just how well do a Taser work on a 400lb man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWbQ3xOazNU&feature=player_embedded

[Billy's bayonet]

Guy looks like he was all messed up on PCP or something.

[Blacky]

Just how well do a Taser work on a 400lb man.

400lbs is like

but not what you posted

Who do you think arrived first? Is it a paramedics job to wrestle a 400lb, manic male to the ground, are they trained to do physical take downs, are they armed with defensive weapons?
Or, are you, as a paramedic, instructed to let the police do what they're trained for, and if you went against that directive, would you be fired in the least, or worst case scenario, sued if Heaven forbid, the patient dies?
Tell me again, how does your scenario work in the face of reality?

He struggled policemen and mental health workers, it's said in all the articles.

[Solar]

400lbs is like

but not what you postedHe struggled policemen and mental health workers, it's said in all the articles.

Is that a picture of the guy?
Do you actually think the police arrived, then called for mental health workers for back up, or was it the other way abound?
Assuming they all arrived together, tells anyone with commonsense they expected trouble from him...AGAIN!
You love jumping to conclusions where things go wrong involving police, whether they're at fault or not.
I hope to Hell you never set on a jury with that kind of prejudice.

[walkstall]

400lbs is like

but not what you postedHe struggled policemen and mental health workers, it's said in all the articles.

NO the jpg I posted was not even a 400lb man.  IF the taser did not work on him well it would not work on a 400lb man was my point. 

[daidalos]

Who was the dr. that ordered the sedative? To my knowledge, EMT'S are not allowed to just shoot someone full of god knows what. I"ve always (in my own personal exp) seen them calling into the ER first, and getting a prior verbal directive from the Doc in the ER.

[red_dirt]

It does raise an interesting point, though. What kinds of devices are needed for New Age policing?
We have the riot control and the counter revolutionary force in place, just in case. But, what about cases like this Russo man? Or how about Michael Brown types?
It has been suggested to have disabling RFID chips implanted in juvenile offenders. That is controversial, at best.  The confrontations happen so fast. Take Mike Brown. One minute he is swaggering down the center line, dopey, and the next second, he's  bum rushing a patrol man. How do we prepare for that?
Maybe robotics will supply an answer. If the police were at a safe distance, they could use robots with disabling gas charges, or some kind of directed ultra sonic. The robot could spray some kind of super glue that would ball the subject up. It sounds like I am talking about a tank, doesn't it? Yes, a tank, but a very friendly and localized tank, run from a distance.
The citizens would soon learn to hate the robot. They could cuss it and spit on it, but if they touched it, they could get a shock.
The robots could double as recognition computers, possessing all kinds of information about anyone and everyone in sight. They could also work in tandem with drones, drones hooked up to some kind of lighter than air system, so they could just float there for free as needed.

[darroll]

Don;t forget the Left's agenda, to completely undermine and destablize local Law enforcement. They figure if they get enough "outrages" it would pave the way for Federalization under Obamao.....who would replace them with his own army of thugs loyal to him, not the Constitution or the local populace.

True, buddy

[Billy's bayonet]

It does raise an interesting point, though. What kinds of devices are needed for New Age policing?
We have the riot control and the counter revolutionary force in place, just in case. But, what about cases like this Russo man? Or how about Michael Brown types?
It has been suggested to have disabling RFID chips implanted in juvenile offenders. That is controversial, at best.  The confrontations happen so fast. Take Mike Brown. One minute he is swaggering down the center line, dopey, and the next second, he's  bum rushing a patrol man. How do we prepare for that?
Maybe robotics will supply an answer. If the police were at a safe distance, they could use robots with disabling gas charges, or some kind of directed ultra sonic. The robot could spray some kind of super glue that would ball the subject up. It sounds like I am talking about a tank, doesn't it? Yes, a tank, but a very friendly and localized tank, run from a distance.
The citizens would soon learn to hate the robot. They could cuss it and spit on it, but if they touched it, they could get a shock.
The robots could double as recognition computers, possessing all kinds of information about anyone and everyone in sight. They could also work in tandem with drones, drones hooked up to some kind of lighter than air system, so they could just float there for free as needed.

They've been trying to disarm the cops since the 1960's....coming up with all sorts of non lethal weapons that supposedly could take the place of deadly force weapons....nothing works....or it has its limitations or drawbacks....that why we instituted the use of force continiuum and have a variety of weapons, thus options, for escalation of force.

And I can tell you EACH of the defensive weapons a cops carrys has its drawbacks and limitations.

USed to be we could manhandle somebody off his feet, cuff him and that was it....nowadays they don't want a cop putting his hands on anybody or wrestling around with them Stats show that THIS CAUSES MORE INJURIES TO COPS than suspects.

I recall testing all types of stuff.... Capture nets, shot from a "gun" that threw a net on a suspect, bean bag guns that delivered a tremendous "punch" some kind of foam that hardened immediately and slowed the suspect down, various types of tasers.

Here is what you got nowadays and here are the drawbacks or limitations:

Pepper spray/Chemical spray....doesn't always work, suspects can still fight even if they can;t see or are choking, usually the cops get a facefull anytime it is used....I never used the stuff myself.

Impact weapons, Batons, manodnock sticks (tonfa or side handled baton) ASP collapsable metal baton, black jack (My favorite, these weapons usually cause a lot of damage to a suspect, bone chips, broken bones, plus he goes into court with bruises and contusions and gets a lot of sympathy. Also it takes a GREAT DEAL OF TRAINING for the average officer to use the weapon effectively.

Taser or 'shock" weapons. Has to make contact with a suspects skin, during the winter time suspects wearing layer clothing or padded jackets etc are a problem with penetration. Also, this can kill a suspect who has a heart condition or some other medical problem you don;t know about.

Add drugs into any of the above and you have a wild card depending on the drug, the suspect size and weight, physical condition etc etc.

NOw add this problem to the equasion, you only have a split second to decide which weapon you are going to deploy and if you should employ it at all. When things happen on the street they happen very quickly, all you have time to do is react and let training take over. It takes 3 to 5 thousand repititions for muscle memory to kick in. So you have to constantly practise with these weapons (especially a firearm) to be able to use them effectively.

I hope I've shed some light on the subject the matter is not simple at all but very complicated.

[darroll]

They've been trying to disarm the cops since the 1960's....coming up with all sorts of non lethal weapons that supposedly could take the place of deadly force weapons....nothing works....or it has its limitations or drawbacks....that why we instituted the use of force continiuum and have a variety of weapons, thus options, for escalation of force.

And I can tell you EACH of the defensive weapons a cops carrys has its drawbacks and limitations.

USed to be we could manhandle somebody off his feet, cuff him and that was it....nowadays they don't want a cop putting his hands on anybody or wrestling around with them Stats show that THIS CAUSES MORE INJURIES TO COPS than suspects.

I recall testing all types of stuff.... Capture nets, shot from a "gun" that threw a net on a suspect, bean bag guns that delivered a tremendous "punch" some kind of foam that hardened immediately and slowed the suspect down, various types of tasers.

Here is what you got nowadays and here are the drawbacks or limitations:

Pepper spray/Chemical spray....doesn't always work, suspects can still fight even if they can;t see or are choking, usually the cops get a facefull anytime it is used....I never used the stuff myself.

Impact weapons, Batons, manodnock sticks (tonfa or side handled baton) ASP collapsable metal baton, black jack (My favorite, these weapons usually cause a lot of damage to a suspect, bone chips, broken bones, plus he goes into court with bruises and contusions and gets a lot of sympathy. Also it takes a GREAT DEAL OF TRAINING for the average officer to use the weapon effectively.

Taser or 'shock" weapons. Has to make contact with a suspects skin, during the winter time suspects wearing layer clothing or padded jackets etc are a problem with penetration. Also, this can kill a suspect who has a heart condition or some other medical problem you don;t know about.

Add drugs into any of the above and you have a wild card depending on the drug, the suspect size and weight, physical condition etc etc.

NOw add this problem to the equasion, you only have a split second to decide which weapon you are going to deploy and if you should employ it at all. When things happen on the street they happen very quickly, all you have time to do is react and let training take over. It takes 3 to 5 thousand repititions for muscle memory to kick in. So you have to constantly practise with these weapons (especially a firearm) to be able to use them effectively.

I hope I've shed some light on the subject the matter is not simple at all but very complicated.

This is plan whatever. The commie's want to disarm and dis-credit our law enforcement.
The cops still know what to do Eat donuts while Rome burns.