I was told the war on drugs has been worse than ISIS could ever be.

Started by Aedaz, July 23, 2016, 10:12:50 PM

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walkstall

Quote from: blades on July 24, 2016, 08:22:43 AM
I would say lets skip statistics and look directly at personal experience...have you ever met or seen someone killed or effected by isis???not me, other than on the news...but I can name hundreds that I know that have been killed or effected by the war on drugs..
now thats not saying that isis is not a major threat just that if you dont see it or being effected  that it aint happening..
whats it say about a society that kills its people or puts them in jail and destroys the family cause they had a dead plant in their house???

just like prohibition crime goes up and the government gets bigger and the people are in fear...the guilty ones for being guilty or the innocent cause they dont want to be mistaken for the guilty...how many of those innocent bystanders deserved to be killed for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time...NONE!!!

the war on drugs like prohibition is just a fascist ideology that kills and destroys anything it can...

so her cousin is both right and wrong...isis is a threat to humanity while the war on drugs is a threat to humans
there will always be those with substance problems whether it drugs, soda, food, fast cars..the list is long of things that in excess   are killers...and if my wife dont put down the credit cards it may cost her as well.. OK venting there but I hope you get my point


Quoteand if my wife dont put down the credit cards

Hmm... That a one on one thing, stop the credit cards.  Other the a house or a car, if you can not pay cash for it you do not need it.   
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Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Aedaz

Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2016, 07:21:33 AMThis is the problem, there are no real stats on the war on drugs, because the term itself is too vague...

What do you mean by this? Isn't it a defined gov't program?


Aedaz

Quote from: walkstall on July 24, 2016, 07:25:44 AM

Then he should just move to the states that allow it.  His problem will be no more.

No. You see...he doesn't have the money to move (not judging - neither do I) because he refuses to work. I think he was holding out for Bernie to win...

Again, I didn't come here to talk bad about him. But he has a lot of issues.

supsalemgr

Quote from: Aedaz on July 24, 2016, 09:39:14 AM
What do you mean by this? Isn't it a defined gov't program?

It is not a defined government. It is a rhetorical premise. It is just more government speak. BTW, what is your age group?
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blades

maybe we should look at it this way...
a war on isis is because they are killing other people

war on drugs is because they think we might hurt ourselves...or others

and before the hissy fits start about crime and the dui issues switch it from drugs to alcohol.cell phones, eating and a host of other things that distract driving

and as for crime and stealing...well crimes are against the law....and stealing is already illegal...so if someone steals for food or to buy a fast car ...will food and cars be next???

the fact is the war on drugs is a big government policy to construct a police state where the feds can operate nation wide...ie a police state

Aedaz

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 24, 2016, 09:55:24 AM
It is not a defined government. It is a rhetorical premise. It is just more government speak. BTW, what is your age group?

Gotcha. I wasn't trying to say it was, I was only asking.  :smile:

And I am 23.

walkstall

Quote from: Aedaz on July 24, 2016, 09:48:00 AM
No. You see...he doesn't have the money to move (not judging - neither do I) because he refuses to work. I think he was holding out for Bernie to win...

Again, I didn't come here to talk bad about him. But he has a lot of issues.

Not judging him, one must know how he thinks if he is to be helped at all.

He is the problem, he is a drain on family and on society.  Sounds like he has NO accountability in his life.  Don't let him drag you down.

Remember it's people like Hillary and Bernie that helps people like that down,


P.S. Trump will not help him, if he gets in. 
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

blades

Quote from: walkstall on July 24, 2016, 10:19:51 AM
Not judging him, one must know how he thinks if he is to be helped at all.

He is the problem, he is a drain on family and on society.  Sounds like he has NO accountability in his life.  Don't let him drag you down.

Remember it's people like Hillary and Bernie that helps people like that down,


P.S. Trump will not help him, if he gets in.


or maybe he is like me and see people he knows and their families lives being destroyed by a government that says their here to help us...

he isnt the issue... but rather which is truly more of a threat..

isis for saying they want to kill us ...

or a government that is killing us ...in our best interest of course


as of right now our government has killed more and caused more deaths to americans in the name of drugs than any isis or terrorist has done in the name of allah by far...so lets not ignore one over the other



now I am not the type to ignore a problem or dismiss one over another...
so I both hold equal threats in the lives of americans...


Moved your posts outside of my posts
walks.

walkstall

Quote from: blades on July 24, 2016, 10:29:13 AM

or maybe he is like me and see people he knows and their families lives being destroyed by a government that says their here to help us...

he isnt the issue... but rather which is truly more of a threat..

isis for saying they want to kill us ...

or a government that is killing us ...in our best interest of course


as of right now our government has killed more and caused more deaths to americans in the name of drugs than any isis or terrorist has done in the name of allah by far...so lets not ignore one over the other



now I am not the type to ignore a problem or dismiss one over another...
so I both hold equal threats in the lives of americans...


:lol: Do you "refuses to work" also?   Are you living off of family or the government also?   You will not find a Conservative saying government is all good for Americans. 
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Solar

Quote from: blades on July 24, 2016, 08:22:43 AM
I would say lets skip statistics and look directly at personal experience...have you ever met or seen someone killed or effected by isis???not me, other than on the news...but I can name hundreds that I know that have been killed or effected by the war on drugs..
now thats not saying that isis is not a major threat just that if you dont see it or being effected  that it aint happening..
whats it say about a society that kills its people or puts them in jail and destroys the family cause they had a dead plant in their house???

Again, lets drop the ISIS acronym and call them what they are, Muscum, and yes, I know people directly effected by the ideology, but not the so called drug war, which is an all encompassing BS govt term for a black hole of unaccountable spending.
Can you really, truly honestly say "I know that have been killed or effected by the war on drugs."?
See, that's the thing, I know hundreds effected by drugs as well, but I have absolutely no idea if the war on drugs had one thing to do with it, and neither do you.

Quotejust like prohibition crime goes up and the government gets bigger and the people are in fear...the guilty ones for being guilty or the innocent cause they dont want to be mistaken for the guilty...how many of those innocent bystanders deserved to be killed for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time...NONE!!!
For the same reason no one deserves to be run over by a drunk driver I guess, right?

Quotethe war on drugs like prohibition is just a fascist ideology that kills and destroys anything it can...
Curious, do you even know what the war on drugs is? I'd be willing to bet that 90% of it's budget has absolutely nothing to do with fighting drugs.
Like I said, it became the blackhole of taxpayer theft with little accountability.

Quoteso her cousin is both right and wrong...isis is a threat to humanity while the war on drugs is a threat to humans
there will always be those with substance problems whether it drugs, soda, food, fast cars..the list is long of things that in excess   are killers...and if my wife dont put down the credit cards it may cost her as well.. OK venting there but I hope you get my point
Did you not read my post? You have to separate the two, it's drugs kill vs an ideology that's been killing since the 7th century.
With that understanding, ISIS is truly the bigger threat, because no one holds a rusty knife to someone's throat and forces them to destroy their life with drugs.
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tac

Like the War on Poverty, the War on Drugs is just another liberal spending program that was never intended to help anyone.  :rolleyes:

supsalemgr

Quote from: Aedaz on July 24, 2016, 10:17:45 AM
Gotcha. I wasn't trying to say it was, I was only asking.  :smile:

And I am 23.

I figured you were a young person as you have not reached the point that you understand what Reagan said. It was before your time but he reminded us, "Government is not the solution. Government is the problem." Do not ever believe government is going to solve our problems.
"If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch!"

Aedaz

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 24, 2016, 11:23:24 AM
"Government is not the solution. Government is the problem." Do not ever believe government is going to solve our problems.

I like it.

supsalemgr

"If you can't run with the big dawgs, stay on the porch!"

Possum

Quote from: tac on July 24, 2016, 11:03:46 AM
Like the War on Poverty, the War on Drugs is just another liberal spending program that was never intended to help anyone.  :rolleyes:
Like everything the government is involved in:
http://reason.com/archives/2012/04/22/4-industries-getting-rich-off-the-drug-w/
its a damn shame but most government programs are decided by donations. Don't think hillery or the buffoon will change this, expect it to go into overdrive. I hope the people who can are watching whoever get the job.