FTTPA passes senate!

[redbeard]

How they voted!!
http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/114/senate/1/183

Why did any republican vote to give THIS president more power? It is be on me!!

[tac]

Let's make sure we vote for the GOP  in 2016, then we can change the direction of CONgress!

[redbeard]

Let's make sure we vote for the GOP  in 2016, then we can change the direction of CONgress!

There were only 5 GOP senators voted against this! We have a problem when our party is voting away their sovereign duties to expedite a trade deal! FTTPA is not what the framers had in mind when they gave trade treaty power to congress!

[walkstall]

There were only 5 GOP senators voted against this! We have a problem when our party is voting away their sovereign duties to expedite a trade deal! FTTPA is not what the framers had in mind when they gave trade treaty power to congress!

I did not know the framers gave power to congress for a trade treaty.  I know I am old but did I miss some thing in the last 90+ years? 

[redbeard]

I did not know the framers gave power to congress for a trade treaty.  I know I am old but did I miss some thing in the last 90+ years? 

When it comes to the un-constitutionality of FTTPA our Constitution is crystal clear as to Congress having exclusive power to "regulative commerce with foreign nation".  Congress is also vested with an exclusive power to "... lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States..."  And this power, laying imposts and duties, is one of the specific tools our Founders intended Congress to use to "regulate commerce with foreign nations

This is from John_W_K at the "other" site! Is he wrong?

[redbeard]

Let me say up front that I find FoxNews a far better source for accurate political information than our network news outlets.  Having said that I have noticed that when FoxNews reports on the proposed legislation to give our president Fast Track Trade Promotion Authority, it seems to constantly point out that unions are against the proposal, but fail to say in the same breath that those who support an adherence to the defined and limited powers assigned to our president as distinguished from those assigned to Congress are also against FTTPA.  And they are against it because it proposes to allow the president to usurp Congress' exclusive legislative powers which deal with regulations of Commerce.

When it comes to the un-constitutionality of FTTPA our Constitution is crystal clear as to Congress having exclusive power to "regulative commerce with foreign nation".  Congress is also vested with an exclusive power to "... lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States..."  And this power, laying imposts and duties, is one of the specific tools our Founders intended Congress to use to "regulate commerce with foreign nations". 

To get an idea of how our founders used Congress' assigned powers to regulate commerce with foreign nations while promoting the general welfare of the United States see An Act imposing duties on Tonnage July 20, 1789

"...a discount of ten percent on all duties imposed by this Act shall be allowed on such goods, wares, and merchandise as shall be imported in vessels built in the United States, and wholly the property of a citizen or citizens thereof."

This patriotic use of taxing at our water's edge not only filled our national treasury, but encouraged ship building on American soil and predictably resulted in America's ship building industry to flourish and America's merchant marine to become the most powerful on the face of the planet.  But our global governance crowd, under the cloak of "free trade", want to prohibit our various state Congressional Delegations sent to Washington to use their powers over commerce and taxation to promote America's best interests and the interests of their immediate constituents.  And this is what FTTPA is designed to accomplish. 

If adopted, FTTPA would allow the president to usurp Congress' legislative powers to create a Bill regulating commerce with foreign nations, debate that Bill, amend it as needed to reflect the general welfare of the United States, and then send that Bill to the President for his approval.

Instead, FTTPA proposes to allow the President to usurp Congress' exclusive legislative powers when making regulations of commerce and leaves Congress with the president's veto power. 

FTTPA is intentionally designed to neuter each State's Congressional Delegation's participation in the making of law, and it strikes at the very heart of our constitutionally limited system of representative government.  And yet, FoxNews seems to be more interested in telling us unions are against it, rather than reporting that fundamental guarantees of our Constitution, the guarantee that all legislative powers are vested in a Congress of the United States, and that Congress is vested with an exclusive power to regulate commerce with foreign nations, is under attack as proposed in Fast Track Trade Promotion Authority.

Here is a list of 62 tyrannical Senators who voted today to advance the nefarious FTTPA which is an attack on the People's voice being heard and acted upon in the making of legislation dealing with foreign commerce.

Finally, thank you Senators, Susan Collins, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Jeff Sessions, and Richard C. Shelby for being loyal to your oath of office and rejecting this despotic attack upon our Constitution's separation of powers.
 

JWK


The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ___ Madison, Federalist Paper No. 47

This is his whole post! I have to agree with him! Our Congress critters are shirking the duties of their office and handing more power over to an out of control president!

[walkstall]

This is from John_W_K at the "other" site! Is he wrong?

I don't see where the FRAMERS gave power to Congress.  Now Congress does shit like that but not the FRAMERS.  When was the last time Congress listened to the people let alone framers   

[kroz]

I have got to think there is more to this than we realize.......

Why are our conservative senators supporting it? 

There is so much going on behind closed doors because the media adds nuclear fusion to every issue on the table.  Nothing can be freely discussed.  This leaves us all scratching our heads and totally confused as to the reasoning behind their decisions.

I do not think it is right for us to be left in the dark as to the real contents of this Bill.

Ted Cruz voted for this!!!!

[Solar]

There were only 5 GOP senators voted against this! We have a problem when our party is voting away their sovereign duties to expedite a trade deal! FTTPA is not what the framers had in mind when they gave trade treaty power to congress!

You're reading way too much into this, which is by design Hussein's reason for playing it the way he did, so as to create suspicion, and divide the right.

In the end, this is probably a good deal, which is why only a few sat it out, and the only thing that changes, is Congress won't be able to pick apart a trade deal, though they still retain the power to kill any deal.
Keep in mind, this is pretty much the same package Presidents have had for decades, until the Dims killed GW's ability to have the trade deal he wanted, instead, the Dims stole the power to micro manage all trade deals, and that was not normal. So what we're seeing is a return to normal practice by Congress.
Keep in mind how the Bill writing process works, and it will take the sting out of this and expose it for what it is, pure hype.

In truth, this isn't a bad idea in the least, it frees up Congress to focus on other more pressing issue than to spend their time time debating the intricacies of a trade treaty with some insignificant little island.

Point is, this whole thing is, by design, pure distraction, just like everything the Marxist does.
Don't fall for his trap.

[steve folkster]

Republicans are apparently Marxist communist Husseini libs.  Yesterday, republicans intervened to persuade democrats to vote to give Obama fast track authority.  In exchange, republicans agreed to hold a vote on the continuation of the export bank.


Why are republicans so dead set on voting for a communsiot marxist socilaist free trade bill?

I see only two scenarios.  1, republicans are closet commies.  2, the free trade bill designed by Obama's corporate lawyers is not in any way communist.

Seems to me the latter choice makes more sense. 

But someone said Obama was a marxist when he was a sophmore in college....oh the confusion

[Solar]

Walks, do me a favor and merge this idiots thread here.
Thanks.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/news-board/fttpa-passes-senate!/

[red_dirt]

Trades and Tariffs has the power to create entire industries at home and abroad. It also has the power to wipe out or trade away entire industries, and a history of having done that very thing.

As the American people have granted Washington unprecedented authority in this area, manipulation of enterprise has become a huge source of private income for elected officials. The recent Clinton Foundation exchange of State Department favors to donors was newsworthy on account of who is involved and the inherent national security concerns, not on account of the principle of federal over reach or political corruption. These facts notwithstanding, that deal was business as usual for Washington and will not be questioned, there.

Fast track authority means that if a Congressman, or anyone else in Washington, for that matter, gets a deal going, he or she can simply run it by the Oval Office and it's done. No more messy public input from domestic industry, no more calls to Congressional offices by citizens. The "racket" has just gotten too big, too complex; it has created its own time table and its own independent schedule. A Congressman never knows when a hot deal is going to come along, for him. Hence, fast track authority.

[steve folkster]

You're reading way too much into this, which is by design Hussein's reason for playing it the way he did, so as to create suspicion, and divide the right.

In the end, this is probably a good deal, which is why only a few sat it out, and the only thing that changes, is Congress won't be able to pick apart a trade deal, though they still retain the power to kill any deal.
Keep in mind, this is pretty much the same package Presidents have had for decades, until the Dims killed GW's ability to have the trade deal he wanted, instead, the Dims stole the power to micro manage all trade deals, and that was not normal. So what we're seeing is a return to normal practice by Congress.
Keep in mind how the Bill writing process works, and it will take the sting out of this and expose it for what it is, pure hype.

In truth, this isn't a bad idea in the least, it frees up Congress to focus on other more pressing issue than to spend their time time debating the intricacies of a trade treaty with some insignificant little island.

Point is, this whole thing is, by design, pure distraction, just like everything the Marxist does.
Don't fall for his trap.

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They voted for it cause its a corprorate friendly free trade agreement and yet another indication that your whole Marxist garbage is well garbage!!! bahahahahah

[steve folkster]

Walks, do me a favor and merge this idiots thread here.
Thanks.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/news-board/fttpa-passes-senate!/

That was interesting addition to the conversation. 

WHy are repubs commies big shot...answer the question!!!

[Solar]

That was interesting addition to the conversation. 

WHy are repubs commies big shot...answer the question!!!

Read my post here you freakin idiot!
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/news-board/fttpa-passes-senate!/