Colorado Baker Sued for Refusing Gender Transition Cake

[T Hunt]

Nope, I don't want anyone forced to do anything.  I support the right of a business to deny service to anyone for any reason.

Ok cool, so its not childish then.

However, I think personal beliefs, politics etc should be kept out of business.

Wait what? You just said they should be allowed. So which is it? Are they allowed to do it or are they being childish?

I mean if its their right to do it then how can it be childish to excersise that right? You arent being intellectually consistent here....

Part of being an adult in the business world, is being able to deal with difficult situations and difficult people professionally.

Right, like trump does. You professionally deal with dangers to the nation like this baker did.

Again, there's no magical ingredients in a wedding cake for a gay wedding.  There is literally NOTHING preventing a Christian baker from making the cake except feelings.

Feelings? When did feelings come into this? We are talking about morality. Did you think objective morality is just feelings?             

I guess you being against racism, homophobia and misogamy are just feelings too? Not grounded in reality at all according to you?

[ZenMode]

Ok cool, so its not childish then.

Supporting someone's right to do something isn't the same as supporting what they are doing.

Wait what? You just said they should be allowed. So which is it? Are they allowed to do it or are they being childish?

Supporting someone's right to do something, doesn't mean it's not childish. 

I mean if its their right to do it then how can it be childish to excersise that right? You arent being intellectually consistent here....

Supporting someone's right to do something is not the same as supporting the action itself.

Right, like trump does. You professionally deal with dangers to the nation like this baker did.

Yes, two guys entering into a legally binding contract is a danger to the nation.  What's next?  Two guys wanting to have their name on a car registration?  Two guys wanting to go into business together?  Apocalypse now!  lol....

Feelings? When did feelings come into this? We are talking about morality. Did you think objective morality is just feelings?             

I guess you being against racism, homophobia and misogamy are just feelings too? Not grounded in reality at all according to you?

Your morality isn't someone else's morality.  I promise, if a straight, christian baker makes a cake for two dudes, he's not going to start blowing men in the alley behind his store.  He'll be ok.

[T Hunt]

Yes, two guys entering into a legally binding contract is a danger to the nation. 

Right, look at how much damage gay marriage has already done to the nation. Thats why it will soon go the way of abortion. Glad you could be grown up about it.

What's next?  Two guys wanting to have their name on a car registration?  Two guys wanting to go into business together?  Apocalypse now!  lol....

Well none of that is a mental disorder like being gay is and neither of those examples hurt you and me like two gays getting married does. So failed metaphor....

Your morality isn't someone else's morality. 

Actually morality is objective just like reality is, but libs hate that fact  .
There is a right and there is a wrong.
When a nation abandons that and embraces atheism then it always leads to mass deaths like in the case of stalin or mao. Thats why our founding fathers wisely made us a christian nation, something we will forever be.

I promise, if a straight, christian baker makes a cake for two dudes, he's not going to start blowing men in the alley behind his store.  He'll be ok.

              nice strawman attempt but fail.

[Sick Of Silence]

https://ussanews.com/2022/12/07/restaurant-kicks-out-christian-group-you-cant-eat-here-because-youre-pro-life/

Restaurant Kicks Out Christian Group: You Cannot Eat Here Because You're Pro-Life

A Virginia restaurant told the Family Foundation that it was no longer welcome to dine at the establishment because of the organization's views on abortion and traditional marriage.

The Daily Signal spoke with Family Foundation President Victoria Cobb on Monday morning outside the Supreme Court as the justices heard oral arguments in 303 Creative v. Elenis, a case examining "whether applying a public-accommodation law to compel an artist to speak or stay silent violates the free speech clause of the First Amendment."

Cobb shared that about an hour and a half before the Family Foundation party was scheduled to take place in a private dining room at Metzger Bar and Butchery located in Richmond, Virginia, the restaurant announced that was "unwilling to serve" the organization.

Lefties are always on about "do as we say. not as we do".

To the lefties on this forum: will you call out this hypocrisy?

[ZenMode]

Right, look at how much damage gay marriage has already done to the nation. Thats why it will soon go the way of abortion. Glad you could be grown up about it.

More likely quite the opposite.

Well none of that is a mental disorder like being gay is and neither of those examples hurt you and me like two gays getting married does. So failed metaphor....

The government can't discriminate.  Your opinion of their behavior is irrelevant.  Marriage, as it relates to the state, isn't about gods, holy books, eternal damnation, etc.  It's a legally binding contract.  That's it.

Actually morality is objective just like reality is, but libs hate that fact  .
There is a right and there is a wrong.

Right and it used to be viewed as "right" to own slaves.

When a nation abandons that and embraces atheism then it always leads to mass deaths like in the case of stalin or mao. Thats why our founding fathers wisely made us a christian nation, something we will forever be.
              nice strawman attempt but fail.

Yes, two guys entering into a contract will lead to much death. Apocalypse now! 

[Sick Of Silence]

I would never eat a steak without katchup        steak lover hate me, I know. So I would prbly not go back to that place but if that guy loves steak and think katchup ruins it he has the right to run that kind of place and ill bet he does a good business to cuz most people are not like me regarding steaks and I recognize that.

A business owner is supposed to have alot more freedom to do things his own way then they have today in modern america. As far as im concerned you should let businesses be racist too if they want to be, that way everyone will know who the racists are. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

I have to call out your use of the word "racist", especially in this day and age. We judge by content of character, the other side judges by color of skin.

[Sick Of Silence]

Right, look at how much damage gay marriage has already done to the nation. Thats why it will soon go the way of abortion. Glad you could be grown up about it.
Well none of that is a mental disorder like being gay is and neither of those examples hurt you and me like two gays getting married does. So failed metaphor....
Actually morality is objective just like reality is, but libs hate that fact  .
There is a right and there is a wrong.
When a nation abandons that and embraces atheism then it always leads to mass deaths like in the case of stalin or mao. Thats why our founding fathers wisely made us a christian nation, something we will forever be.
              nice strawman attempt but fail.

It's more the fault of the LGBT lobby, then the individual gays. Not every gay person attends pride events, or wants everything to be gay or trans or rainbow in their lives.

[ZenMode]

Funny you would try and use a chef and steak.
When I was a kid, probably 1962, my dads friend took us all to a really nice restaurant.

There was an older guy and a lady sitting a table away, guy ordered a steak, waitress brings their order and he asks for ketchup, she say's the chef does not like ketchup, customer gets mad.

She tells the chef, he comes out and asked if there was a problem with the steak, the guy says, I don't know until I put ketchup on it.
Long story short, the chef kicks them out and tells them never come back!

This was a perfect lesson for me as a kid, it had all kinds of lessons in it.

Point being, he kicked the guy out for insulting him in his own establishment, a steak house noted for its steaks.

See if you can find the lesson in there.

I suspect we see different lessons from your story.

[Solar]

I suspect we see different lessons from your story.

One, the chef was insulted because his steaks are renowned for their perfectly spiced/aged meat.

Two, he let his emotion get the better of him.

Three, the guy should have taken a bite first and then make his decision.

Four, both missed a perfect opportunity, one to experience something new and retain a new customer.

But the main point is Govt has zero business inserting itself into personal matters just to make a point, just like the chef, govt is acting from an emotional stand point, and interfering unconstitutionally.

[T Hunt]

More likely quite the opposite.

Thats what they said about abortion     

The government can't discriminate.

Right. But calling out mental illness has never been considered discrimination.

Your opinion of their behavior is irrelevant.

Right, but the science of homosexuality being a mental illness is not irrelevant. Thats the part you dont want to admit.

Marriage, as it relates to the state, isn't about gods, holy books, eternal damnation, etc.  It's a legally binding contract.  That's it.

Wrong again. We are called a christian nation for a reason. Because we use the wisdom found in religion to inform us on the best ways to deal with people. Remember, athiesm has killed millions so we will never use that as the basis for our laws.

Right and it used to be viewed as "right" to own slaves.

No, it was always wrong for slavery to be legal, the founders told us as much. If it had been right then morality would not be objective but it is, right and wrong have always been the same for all of human history.

Yes, two guys entering into a contract will lead to much death. Apocalypse now!

Right, just like war often involves contracts, calling something a contract in no way reduces its impact.

Yes, just look at how homo marriage has already harmed the family and lead to many deaths that way. Just look at how the loss of the family has lead to a rise in crime and drug abuse and sexual deviation, and mostly its leftists who are the victims. As well as minorities.

The loss of the family is the number one reason minorities are still as poor as they are.

Homosexuality along with feminism have killed and ruined the lives of far more people than any disease or war. Just look at how much our society is falling apart right now compared to how great it used to be.

Thats why it will soon go the way of abortion . Supporting the normalization of mental disorders was always a losing prospect for the left. 

[T Hunt]

I have to call out your use of the word "racist", especially in this day and age. We judge by content of character, the other side judges by color of skin.

Ya you are right. I was just trying to put it into words a liberal would understand. Thanks for the clarification.

[T Hunt]

It's more the fault of the LGBT lobby, then the individual gays. Not every gay person attends pride events, or wants everything to be gay or trans or rainbow in their lives.

Oh ya thats very true and there are even some gay MAGA like milo, or scott presler or the #walkaway guy.
No one is saying it should be illegal to be gay, this is america. But we dont want to normalize mental illness or stop people from being able to call out the dangers of gay, both to the individual doing it and the nation as a whole.

[ZenMode]

Thats what they said about abortion     
Right. But calling out mental illness has never been considered discrimination.
 
Right, but the science of homosexuality being a mental illness is not irrelevant. Thats the part you dont want to admit.
Wrong again. We are called a christian nation for a reason. Because we use the wisdom found in religion to inform us on the best ways to deal with people. Remember, athiesm has killed millions so we will never use that as the basis for our laws.

No, it was always wrong for slavery to be legal, the founders told us as much. If it had been right then morality would not be objective but it is, right and wrong have always been the same for all of human history.


Right, just like war often involves contracts, calling something a contract in no way reduces its impact.

Yes, just look at how homo marriage has already harmed the family and lead to many deaths that way. Just look at how the loss of the family has lead to a rise in crime and drug abuse and sexual deviation, and mostly its leftists who are the victims. As well as minorities.

The loss of the family is the number one reason minorities are still as poor as they are.

Homosexuality along with feminism have killed and ruined the lives of far more people than any disease or war. Just look at how much our society is falling apart right now compared to how great it used to be.

Thats why it will soon go the way of abortion . Supporting the normalization of mental disorders was always a losing prospect for the left. 

"Right. But calling out mental illness has never been considered discrimination."

No, the act of denying equal rights to people IS discrimination. Should the government be allowed to deny two men the ability to have both names on a car title? Should the state be able to deny two women access to a permit to buuild a pool?

[T Hunt]

"Right. But calling out mental illness has never been considered discrimination."

No, the act of denying equal rights to people IS discrimination.

But since when have we ever given full equal rights to the dangerously insane? the worst have to be locked up in homes.

Alternativly, is it a right to destroy marriage or the family? Is it a right to marry who you want? Is there a legal right to have sex? Where are those in the constitution? No the homosexual agenda doesnt have a legal leg to stand on.

Should the government be allowed to deny two men the ability to have both names on a car title? Should the state be able to deny two women access to a permit to buuild a pool?

Are either of those mental disorders, as shown by science? Do either of those destroy the family?

You keep tying and failing to create a strawman to lean on....

[ZenMode]

But since when have we ever given full equal rights to the dangerously insane?

Here we go. Now a woman finding another woman sexually attractive is dangerously insane? Lol!!!

the worst have to be locked up in homes.

Yes.

Alternativly, is it a right to destroy marriage or the family?

Well  I was married and had a family BEFORE gay marriage was made legal at state or federal level. I'm still married and still have a family AFTER, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe you could use some mental health evaluation!

Is it a right to marry who you want?

Is it a right? I don't know but,  again, as long as the state is in the marriage business it absolutely is illegal for them to discriminate.

Is there a legal right to have sex?

That sounds creepy, so I'd say no. The government should also not be able to tell consenting adults that they can't have sex, right?

Where are those in the constitution? No the homosexual agenda doesnt have a legal leg to stand on.

The homosexual agenda, in this conversation, is to not be discriminated against by the state. It's odd that you'd be ok with that, btw

Are either of those mental disorders, as shown by science? Do either of those destroy the family?

Nice try. Again, when the state wants to get completely out of the marriage business, I'll have no issue. To imagine that it's ok for the state to say "These two consenting adults CAN be recognized by the state, but THESE two consenting adults can't." is about as discriminatory as you can get.

You keep tying and failing to create a strawman to lean on....

My "straw man": I want all consenting adults to have their relationship recognized by the state because it's wrong, and illegal  for the state to discriminate.