How do creationists explain vestigial adaptations?

Started by Sci Fi Fan, May 01, 2013, 05:47:46 PM

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Mountainshield

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on May 11, 2013, 09:46:43 AM
MFA, I appreciate it that you're actually attempting a point by point rebuttal, rather than responding to a vague generalization of my post.

You're playing with semantics here.  OK, the absence of a creator cannot be denied with absolute certainty (although you seem to have the false impression that any scientific theory must be proven with absolute certainty).  Fine.  That doesn't change the fact that the existence of a creator is higher improbable, unsupportable and without any sort of logical or scientific merit.

But going back to the OP, if creationists want to make their religion into a science, they have the burden of proof to actively explain evidence that contradicts their own model, and explain how intelligent design better fits the principle of parsimony.

Then please read Signature in the Cell and the works of William lane Craig just as Christians read Richard Dawkin, if you want to debate the topic then read the material. Because it is obvious you have never read Intelligent Design. Saying something is without logical or scientific merit without offering proof puts the burden of evidence on you.

And define your terms mister. Are you arguing against a general indefinable/inconclusive concept of creationism or the actual philosophy of intelligent design? because these are two different concepts.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on May 11, 2013, 09:46:43 AM
I would for entirely unrelated reasons, that is, that anybody who publishes a paper on the lack of flying unicorns on Mars is probably on drugs.

zzzz yes yes drawing an analogy by using a ridiclous humerous statement in order to question the integrity of your opposition.. very mature indeed.


Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on May 11, 2013, 09:46:43 AM
I'm assuming that you believe God to be perfect and benevolent.  So explain why he'd design a female body that can miscarry, or parasitic insects that slowly eat animals alive.

God never designed this universe to be without danger, his benevolence comes only if you follow his way.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on May 11, 2013, 09:46:43 AM
Using this logic, you could simply dismiss any argument, no matter how reasonable, against your theory by saying that "God works in mysterious ways". 

These "unanswered questions" hardly compare to the inability of any creationist on this board to even attempt to explain a simple question.

I love how you militant new atheist love to use the "God works in mysterious ways" cliche as an argument. It is a very good rethorical technique used by politicians to put statements in your opponents mouth, debunk it and claim victory  :laugh: Please watch some debates between atheists and intelligent design professors, and read the books if you are really interested. Or run away again, whatever you choose is same for me.

JustKari

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on May 10, 2013, 02:07:41 PM

But I find it interesting that you do not actually bother to deny my assertion.

I sometimes forget that I am mod here, I tried to quote SFF and deleted his post, I went back and put it back as it was.  I apologize for the mistake.

Of course not, that would be a lie.  Of course I am biased, I love the Lord whom I serve.

Mountainshield

And concerning proof of a theory.

Show me an example of documented observed evolution where one species evolve into another species and that is not just changes within species. Keep in mind posting examples of historical intermediate forms between species are just still just hypothesis of how that species came to be and not scientific proof as it has not been observed or replicated.


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Quote from: JustKari on May 13, 2013, 08:19:50 AM
I sometimes forget that I am mod here, I tried to quote SFF and deleted his post, I went back and put it back as it was.  I apologize for the mistake.
Been there, done that. :blush:
Which is why I seldom use admin mode, to easy to screw up the entire forum. :unsure:
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Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on May 11, 2013, 11:32:46 AM
By that logic, the 'fact' that God even exists proves that there is a God of God, and the fact that this God of God even exists proves that there is a God of God of Gods...

This is basic logical reasoning, which you yet again fail to grasp in even the most superficial contexts.

When did the universe begin?
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Quote from: taxed on May 19, 2013, 02:06:49 PM
When did the universe begin?
Libs were told they are the center of the universe.
Each and everyone of them were told they were special, all 100 million of them believe they are chosen for bigger things in life, but without a belief in God, this makes them question and despise those that raised them.
How can one be special, if there is no God?
But there is no God, therefore I'm not special, I was lied to!
It's quite the conundrum they live with, thinking they're special, yet believe there is nothing special about life.

It's akin to believing you're the smartest kid in the school, only to find out it was a school ffor the mentally retarded.
I think what irritates them the most, is that we know our purpose in life, where we came from and where we're going.
They are clueless wanderers looking for an answer, when all they have to do is lose the hatred.
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Quote from: Solar on May 19, 2013, 05:42:24 PM
Libs were told they are the center of the universe.
Each and everyone of them were told they were special, all 100 million of them believe they are chosen for bigger things in life, but without a belief in God, this makes them question and despise those that raised them.
How can one be special, if there is no God?
But there is no God, therefore I'm not special, I was lied to!
It's quite the conundrum they live with, thinking they're special, yet believe there is nothing special about life.

It's akin to believing you're the smartest kid in the school, only to find out it was a school ffor the mentally retarded.
I think what irritates them the most, is that we know our purpose in life, where we came from and where we're going.
They are clueless wanderers looking for an answer, when all they have to do is lose the hatred.

I concur, in addition to this feeling of privilege and that this life is all there is I can see from their selfish point of view that they think society and indeed the universe owes them a good life. If this life is all there is then why all the strife? Why all the hard work just to attain what is to them a "right" granted to them, i.e housing, food, clothes these are things to be taken for granted and not worked for. Because life is short what is the point of enduring hardship just to die in the end without any reward?

Better there is a planetary bureaucracy to ensure that every human get essential goods and housing to live a good life free of hardship no?

Socialists are the most selfish people you can meet, they talk about safety net for others but what they really want is protection for themselves at the expense of other (though some actually do think inflation is a non-issue)

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Quote from: Mountainshield on May 20, 2013, 06:05:38 AM
I concur, in addition to this feeling of privilege and that this life is all there is I can see from their selfish point of view that they think society and indeed the universe owes them a good life. If this life is all there is then why all the strife? Why all the hard work just to attain what is to them a "right" granted to them, i.e housing, food, clothes these are things to be taken for granted and not worked for. Because life is short what is the point of enduring hardship just to die in the end without any reward?

Better there is a planetary bureaucracy to ensure that every human get essential goods and housing to live a good life free of hardship no?

Socialists are the most selfish people you can meet, they talk about safety net for others but what they really want is protection for themselves at the expense of other (though some actually do think inflation is a non-issue)
Couldn't agree more. God and culture is the only barrier that stands in the way of socialism/communism, it's why we have a culture that believes homo sexuality is wrong and should never be legitimized, why a work ethic and self preservation is so important, a 2nd Amendment, without it, socialists get a foot hold.

No one cares if someone doesn't want to believe in God, but they also have no right to insist he be removed from the public square, to do so, allows the communists a toe hold in the American culture.
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