Conservative Christian Movement

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Here is an interesting and fair perspective  on the fore runner of the Tea Party,
the conservative Christian movement of the '80's and '90's.
http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Is-the-Tea-Party-a-Christian-Movement

[Solar]

I couldn't read beyond the first page, and here's why.

Is the Tea Party a Christian Movement?
Some have argued that the Tea Party movement contradicts Christian principles. This is why they're wrong.

Really...I haven't heard one person ever make that warped connection.

Image courtesy Timothy DalrympleEvery American who cares about the vitality of the American democratic experiment should strenuously object to the way in which the Tea Party movement has been systematically misrepresented and mocked across most major media. The Tea Party -- however one views the principles and personalities most associated with it -- is precisely the kind of citizen accountability our founders envisioned and our form of government requires. Democracy holds the governing class accountable to the governed, and the Tea Party movement is a clear example of the governed standing athwart the will of the governors and shouting Stop.

The authors glaring ignorance over our Republican form of Govt in calling us a Democracy, ends, and anything to follow is suspect.

TEA is not a social movement and was never meant to be, simply because injecting social issues would instantly hogtie the movement and pigeonhole it to a minority group.

To understand this, one only need understand one issue (Taxed Enough Already?) For someone to insert social or religion into the equation, is simply nothing more than a self obsessed activist.

[supsalemgr]

I couldn't read beyond the first page, and here's why.

Really...I haven't heard one person ever make that warped connection.

The authors glaring ignorance over our Republican form of Govt in calling us a Democracy, ends, and anything to follow is suspect.

TEA is not a social movement and was never meant to be, simply because injecting social issues would instantly hogtie the movement and pigeonhole it to a minority group.

To understand this, one only need understand one issue (Taxed Enough Already?) For someone to insert social or religion into the equation, is simply nothing more than a self obsessed activist.

Democrats/libs are constantly trying to distract folks from the true movement of TEA. Along with above topic they love to connect TEA with racism. What that means is we are winning. The dems using the race card is like a flag of surrender.

[Solar]

Democrats/libs are constantly trying to distract folks from the true movement of TEA. Along with above topic they love to connect TEA with racism. What that means is we are winning. The dems using the race card is like a flag of surrender.

That's the beauty of TEA, it's all about shrinking Govt. However, that precludes govt from feeding social programs, so as an end result, side benefit, it eliminates social programs and the division they create.

[keyboarder]

That's the beauty of TEA, it's all about shrinking Govt. However, that precludes govt from feeding social programs, so as an end result, side benefit, it eliminates social programs and the division they create.

Absolutely!     

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Really...I haven't heard one person ever make that warped connection.

I applaud your success in shielding yourself from views and opinions  not consistent with the ones you already hold. Widely distributed opinions of the Rev. Wallis, some kind of White House spiritual advisor, are picked apart, here:

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/05/28/obama-spiritual-advisor-tea-party-not-christian.php

This comment provides a look into one trick of the trade that has enabled Solar to keep his opinions pure. Might try this one out on  myself:

The authors glaring ignorance over our Republican form of Govt in calling us a Democracy, ends, and anything to follow is suspect.

[Solar]

I applaud your success in shielding yourself from views and opinions  not consistent with the ones you already hold. Widely distributed opinions of the Rev. Wallis, some kind of White House spiritual advisor, are picked apart, here:

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/05/28/obama-spiritual-advisor-tea-party-not-christian.php

This comment provides a look into one trick of the trade that has enabled Solar to keep his opinions pure. Might try this one out on  myself:

ROFL!!! Who the Hell is Rev Wallace?

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ROFL!!! Who the Hell is Rev Wallace?

He's a phoney preacher at the service of the left, one who specializes in smearing the Evangelical component of the Tea Party,  estimated to comprise 40-50% of the membership. Most of the big boys in conservative media -- Beck, Limbaugh, Levin -- have at one time or another put Wallis on the grill and skewered him.

No, the tax rebels are just a part of the picture, Solar.

Which of the GOP contender's position on tax  tyranny most closely resembles your own?  Do you most closely identify with the 10% who pay 90% of the taxes, the 40% who pay the other 10%, or the 50% who pay nothing?

http://spectator.org/articles/38636/evangelicals-and-tea-party

[Solar]

He's a phoney preacher at the service of the left, one who specializes in smearing the Evangelical component of the Tea Party,  estimated to comprise 40-50% of the membership. Most of the big boys in conservative media -- Beck, Limbaugh, Levin -- have at one time or another put Wallis on the grill and skewered him.

No, the tax rebels are just a part of the picture, Solar.

Which of the GOP contender's position on tax  tyranny most closely resembles your own?  Do you most closely identify with the 10% who pay 90% of the taxes, the 40% who pay the other 10%, or the 50% who pay nothing?

http://spectator.org/articles/38636/evangelicals-and-tea-party

Since when is my financial success any of your business?

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Since when is my financial success any of your business?

You don't separate fiscal policy from self interest?  Interesting to know that. I asked which candidate best expresses your views. I couldn't care less how much money you have. Is that what you thought?

Back to listening to the Rockies shred the Giants.

[Solar]

You don't separate fiscal policy from self interest?  Interesting to know that. I asked which candidate best expresses your views. I couldn't care less how much money you have. Is that what you thought?

Back to listening to the Rockies shred the Giants.

I misread your question. All I caught was the actual question.
" Do you most closely identify with the 10% who pay 90% of the taxes, the 40% who pay the other 10%, or the 50% who pay nothing?"
Which really doesn't make any sense whatsoever when asked of a true Conservative.
Try phrasing it to make sense and I'll answer it. To me, it sounds rather accusatory.

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I misread your question. All I caught was the actual question.
" Do you most closely identify with the 10% who pay 90% of the taxes, the 40% who pay the other 10%, or the 50% who pay nothing?"
Which really doesn't make any sense whatsoever when asked of a true Conservative.
Try phrasing it to make sense and I'll answer it. To me, it sounds rather accusatory.

No, I understand after seeing your answer that the question was poorly phrased.
 
That strange distribution of paying, to someone who really knows the figures, may not be so unusual at all. By that, I mean those figures, that the top 10% pay huge and the lower 50% pay zero, may not be as strange as they look.  But on the surface, the numbers sure do  look weird.

I mean, what we have is this class that seems to have struck a happy combination of freeloading and demanding more.

The other tax related topic that seems to draw equal attention is the flat tax proposal. One thing everyone seems to like about that is the elimination of the IRS, the apparent bully.

I'm just asking where you stand on all this. Just being a tax resister can become an old story that can lead nowhere.

[Solar]

No, I understand after seeing your answer that the question was poorly phrased.
 
That strange distribution of paying, to someone who really knows the figures, may not be so unusual at all. By that, I mean those figures, that the top 10% pay huge and the lower 50% pay zero, may not be as strange as they look.  But on the surface, the numbers sure do  look weird.

I mean, what we have is this class that seems to have struck a happy combination of freeloading and demanding more.

The other tax related topic that seems to draw equal attention is the flat tax proposal. One thing everyone seems to like about that is the elimination of the IRS, the apparent bully.

I'm just asking where you stand on all this. Just being a tax resister can become an old story that can lead nowhere.

The one group you left out was the 'Far tax group, of which I am in. The elimination of the Feds ability to punish States that refuse to bend to their will out of fear over loss of tax revenue.
No, I believe the State should be collecting a sales tax on everyone that buys new, and it's the State that decides what cut the Fed gets.

[je_freedom]

TEA is not a social movement and was never meant to be, simply because injecting social issues would instantly hogtie the movement and pigeonhole it to a minority group.

To understand this, one only need understand one issue (Taxed Enough Already?) For someone to insert social or religion into the equation, is simply nothing more than a self obsessed activist.

My reply to that is at:
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/new-board/re-the-problem-is-islam-not-'radical-islam'/msg263299/#msg263299

The four messages above that are also in the same vein.

[Solar]

My reply to that is at:
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/new-board/re-the-problem-is-islam-not-'radical-islam'/msg263299/#msg263299

The four messages above that are also in the same vein.

I understand, but we've past that point, so much so, the left stole the narrative that social issues are directly linked to the religious right, and these mind numbed kids want no part of religion, that they'd see TEA as a social movement and reject it.
So first things first, gut Govt, and by doing so, we kill off leftist programs like Planned parenthood, welfare and a long list of social progs that only indenture fools to the left.
This is why TEA needs to remain free of allowing the left to paint it as a social movement and allow us to gut govt first.