Can a fundamentalist please explain these bible verses to me?

[Sci Fi Fan]

Okay...so I think I asked this question before and I don't remember seeing an answer.  Do you think we shouldn't have free will?  You would prefer that God controls all our actions?

No, that's what you just said, given that you admitted that you would stop a murderer, and would condemn anyone who would not, yet you claimed that God should not do so because this violates their free will.

Really, how many times do I have to repeat the most basic paradoxes before you understand them? 

[Solar]

No, that's what you just said, given that you admitted that you would stop a murderer, and would condemn anyone who would not, yet you claimed that God should not do so because this violates their free will.

Really, how many times do I have to repeat the most basic paradoxes before you understand them?

This would be laughable, if you weren't serious.
Her explained it several times, I got it the first time, but you keep going in circles answering questoions with questions.
He asked, do you think God should remove free will?

[MFA]

No, that's what you just said, given that you admitted that you would stop a murderer, and would condemn anyone who would not, yet you claimed that God should not do so because this violates their free will.

Really, how many times do I have to repeat the most basic paradoxes before you understand them?

Okay...I'm having a hard time following what you're actually trying to get at.

If God exists, would your preference be that he allows for free will or that he does not?

[Sci Fi Fan]

He asked, do you think God should remove free will?

No.

Now I'm going to wait for a response, and hope that the extrapolation isn't the utterly incomprehensible argument I'm expecting.

[MFA]

No.

Now I'm going to wait for a response, and hope that the extrapolation isn't the utterly incomprehensible argument I'm expecting.

Okay, so God should not remove free will...but should limit it when it results in something negative?

[Sci Fi Fan]

Okay, so God should not remove free will...but should limit it when it results in something negative?

It depends:

Do you think forcibly stopping a violent criminal is the right thing to do?

[MFA]

It depends:

Do you think forcibly stopping a violent criminal is the right thing to do?

Usually.  But what is a "violent crime"?  Verbal abuse?

Not only that, but what you seem to espouse is that God should allow free will but put the equivalent of rubber caps on our teeth.  In other words, free will without consequence.

Consider the cow--does some good (gives milk) and can do some bad (trample a garden).
Now consider a dog--can do more good ("Billy's in the well?  Good dog!) and has more potential for bad (maul a child).
Human potential is far greater--Mother Teresa and Hitler.

Are you suggesting that human potential should be limited?

[Solar]

No.

Now I'm going to wait for a response, and hope that the extrapolation isn't the utterly incomprehensible argument I'm expecting.

So you agree, there is a God.

[Sci Fi Fan]

Usually.  But what is a "violent crime"?  Verbal abuse?

Not only that, but what you seem to espouse is that God should allow free will but put the equivalent of rubber caps on our teeth.  In other words, free will without consequence.

Consider the cow--does some good (gives milk) and can do some bad (trample a garden).
Now consider a dog--can do more good ("Billy's in the well?  Good dog!) and has more potential for bad (maul a child).
Human potential is far greater--Mother Teresa and Hitler.

Are you suggesting that human potential should be limited?

Oh, so you wouldn't stop a murderer then?  Because you're suggesting that God shouldn't, and if God shouldn't, you sure as hell shouldn't either.

[MFA]

Oh, so you wouldn't stop a murderer then?  Because you're suggesting that God shouldn't, and if God shouldn't, you sure as hell shouldn't either.

Why don't you just answer the question?  Stumped?

Are you suggesting that if God does exist, he should limit our potential to prevent us from harming one another?

It's a simple "yes/no" question, but I think you're avoiding the question because you're intelligent enough to perceive the implications.

[Solar]

Why don't you just answer the question?  Stumped?

Are you suggesting that if God does exist, he should limit our potential to prevent us from harming one another?

It's a simple "yes/no" question, but I think you're avoiding the question because you're intelligent enough to perceive the implications.

I think the answer is Spiritually Bereft, he is completely clueless where God is concerned.

[taxed]

So you are saying that, if you could do literally anything with a gesture, you wouldn't stop a serial murderer because he has the free will to kill?

Apparently, you're saying it.

[IBeMe]

God will stop murders, but it's up to you.
If you walk with God, then God will walk with you.

I was broadsided by a hijacked 300ZX doing 70, being chased by police.
One friend died and two others suffered a lot of injures.
I didn't get one scratch or bruise.
It was like I was watching a 360 degree movie; stuff was flying everywhere and the world was spinning around me. I didn't even move, just a few inches.
The Rampart policeman said I should charge to let people touch me, they couldn't believe I was in that van.

It's up to you.

[Mountainshield]

No, that's what you just said, given that you admitted that you would stop a murderer, and would condemn anyone who would not, yet you claimed that God should not do so because this violates their free will.

Tell me, what punishment worse? (From the christian fundemantalist perspective, because that is the perspective you are presumably trying to understand)

(1) Years of incarceration or even death penalty
(2) Eternity seperated from God

Note: Yes the murderer can repent, but what atheists often forget that repentence is too suffer, you can't fool God because he knows your heart and soul. If you are not suffering in your repentence then you will not recieve forgivness for your sin. The suffering of the soul is worse than the suffering of the body.

I would have liked to answer your original post but the other members here did a better job explaining it than I could have.

[Solar]

God will stop murders, but it's up to you.
If you walk with God, then God will walk with you.

I was broadsided by a hijacked 300ZX doing 70, being chased by police.
One friend died and two others suffered a lot of injures.
I didn't get one scratch or bruise.
It was like I was watching a 360 degree movie; stuff was flying everywhere and the world was spinning around me. I didn't even move, just a few inches.
The Rampart policeman said I should charge to let people touch me, they couldn't believe I was in that van.

It's up to you.

I completely understand, and have had similar incidents happen.
The only explanation was divine intervention, and I thank God everyday for it.