Our nation values competition and the idea of it in addition to other values such as freedom, hard work,etc. Implied in competition is the idea that there will be winners and losers. A winner is someone who is able to succeed. Success will be constrained to success in the United States of America or the typical day to day life even though there are other ways of living and succeeding in other cultures. Two people asked me very similar questions. One, whom is a relative of mine, is a devout socialist and the other, Solar, came from his board, conservativepoliticalforum.com whom is a devout conservative.
Restricting the concept of success to success in the USA and when thought through has multiple levels. What this entails is that there are different levels of success which implies that there are different levels of winning. In order to climb up the different levels one has to be able to have desire, ability, resources and time.
The zeroth level of success is depending upon others for one's livelihood. This is not success and winning at all. If not for others, one can be in poverty conditions including starving in the streets.
The first level of success is being able to afford the cost of day to day living that includes but not limited to groceries, water, electricity, heating, mortgage, rent.
The second level includes the first level but in addition to the first level one is able to afford saving for maintenance of one's mode of transportation, one's place of dwelling and medical check ups or other non-emergencies.
The third level includes the second level but in addition to the second level one is able to save up for medical emergencies.
The fourth level includes the third but one is able to save up for investment for the distant future including but not limited to one's own retirement.
The fifth level includes the fourth but this includes affording to go on vacation and to splurge on the things that bring one enjoyment including but not limited to vacations and hobbies.
The sixth level includes the fifth level but being able to do elderly care of one's parents and possibly other family members.
The seventh level includes the sixth but having the ability to raise and afford a child and enable them to be able to do these seven levels.
The eighth level includes the seventh level but it includes enabling and helping others to achieve these levels as well
The ninth level includes the eighth but in addition it is enabling one's child to have the ability to being able to enable and help others to achieve these levels as well.
Success is multifaceted. The lower the level one is at the more easily one can slip into the zeroth level of success. For one's own being, one has to be at least past the fourth level of success. If one needs to take care of one's elderly parents and a child then one has to be past the seventh level. With this, one can easily end up back at the zeroth level of success even if one is past the fourth and fifth levels of success. With each additional level, the cost of living increases.
So, can everyone achieve and maintain these different levels of success? We all have abilities and disabilities in an existence where resources and living space is scarce. Can everyone get what they need and achieve these levels despite our existential and resource constraints? If everyone treats life as a competition (which is the essence of our free enterprise capitalistic economic system) in which one has to lose out for one to win then the answer is no. Some are going to lose no matter what moves they make, no matter how positive one's attitude is and no matter how much personal responsibility one has.
What is the level of control one has over one's life? Can everyone be a winner? Can everyone achieve? Can everyone control their own destiny, their own future and take charge of their own lives? Unfortunately, the facts do not bare this out and the answer to my questions is a resounding no. Americans value competition and the idea of competition is that one has winners and one has losers which mean some are predestined to be losers and therefore will end up in the zeroth level. How are we in control of our own lives? How do we make our own life?
Ted Nugent said "The only thing that truly holds anyone back is themselves." How? How is this the only thing that holds ourselves back? How does this always hold up as absolute truth? It is acknowledged (I acknowledge it as well) that life isn't fair, there are things beyond our control and since this is so then how does what Ted Nugent say hold up as absolute truth? How does anyone always hold themselves back and that there aren't things that are beyond their control that holds them back from achieving any of the success levels? What are my constraints and other people's constraints exactly?
As an Autistic person, I find American society confusing with contradictory standards which says and promoted at the same time anyone can be what they want to be and achieve if they work hard and pull themselves by their bootstraps yet on the other hand we live in a competitive society in which life isn't fair, people don't always get what they want and need, and people can and do lose in the end no matter what they do, how hard they work and how confident and positive they really are. How can both ideas be true at the same time and the same instance? Can one work hard and achieve these differing levels of success or are there other factors at play? Is working hard sufficient? There are those who would say I would need more confidence and more of a positive attitude. Again, is this sufficient combined with working hard? How?
To me, the USA is like 1984 in one sense. People in the USA seem to take two contradictory truths and believe both at the same time. It is believed that one can achieve success through hard work and confidence yet at the same time not everyone achieves what they want and need and life is unfair. We're told that in order to succeed one must work hard which is true but not sufficiently true yet it is presented as though it is the golden path which from my experience it is not. Having the correct social skills and personality is a must. One is told to be oneself and be true to oneself yet one has to follow all of these social standards and social rules like eye contact and having a firm handshake. It is promoted that we have freedom and freedom is a value yet we have 1000s upon 1000s upon laws and social standards that restrict what we can do and what options we have.
I live in a society in which some people tell me there are no absolutes yet isn't their maxim an absolute? I live in a society in which I'm told all one has to do is follow the law and one has nothing to worry about yet as stated previously there are 1000s upon 1000s of laws. How can one know and follow every single law that exists and correctly interpret the law? American society is confusing, confounding, contradictory and makes absolutely no sense. It is very difficult to pin anything down which is why I am unable to succeed in it. Unless it is obvious like committing murder, rape, child molestation, robbery, shoplifting, stealing and those types of wrongs it is not obvious to me as to what is right and what is wrong and why it is right or wrong.
To ask one to take responsible for one's own actions especially if one has no clue as to what the correct actions are, one can't derive them and others will not explain them to me (and others) is unreasonable. So, for me and others to be responsible for our own actions we would have to know what we did wrong, why it was wrong and what the correct way was. Conservatives say be responsible for one's own actions. How? How do we do that? What is the correct path(s) one must take to achieve and maintain these nine levels? What are the steps to do what is demanded?
If you cannot learn to condense your thoughts to logical lengths.... you will not find an audience.
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Quote from: kroz on July 15, 2015, 08:44:05 AM
If you cannot learn to condense your thoughts to logical lengths.... you will not find an audience.
Huh! I don't follow. What are logical lengths? Are you saying that I'm limited in the amount of characters, words, and/or paragraphs I can use?
If yes, what exactly are my constraints?
Quote from: cubedemon on July 15, 2015, 09:29:35 AM
Huh! I don't follow. What are logical lengths? Are you saying that I'm limited in the amount of characters, words, and/or paragraphs I can use?
If yes, what exactly are my constraints?
When a reader looks at a very long post, they roll their eyes and move on.
You may need to experiment with what gets responses from others.
We live in a fast paced world. You either grab attention with a stimulating thesis and "brief" explanation..... or you sink into oblivion.
Quote from: kroz on July 15, 2015, 09:38:18 AM
When a reader looks at a very long post, they roll their eyes and move on.
You may need to experiment with what gets responses from others.
We live in a fast paced world. You either grab attention with a stimulating thesis and "brief" explanation..... or you sink into oblivion.
Hmmm Interesting. This tells me a lot and explains a lot.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 15, 2015, 10:08:46 AM
Hmmm Interesting. This tells me a lot and explains a lot.
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Happy to be of service!! :wink:
Quote from: cubedemon on July 15, 2015, 08:39:17 AM
Our nation values competition and the idea of it in addition to other values such as freedom, hard work,etc. Implied in competition is the idea that there will be winners and losers. A winner is someone who is able to succeed. Success will be constrained to success in the United States of America or the typical day to day life even though there are other ways of living and succeeding in other cultures. Two people asked me very similar questions. One, whom is a relative of mine, is a devout socialist and the other, Solar, came from his board, conservativepoliticalforum.com whom is a devout conservative.
Restricting the concept of success to success in the USA and when thought through has multiple levels. What this entails is that there are different levels of success which implies that there are different levels of winning. In order to climb up the different levels one has to be able to have desire, ability, resources and time.
The zeroth level of success is depending upon others for one's livelihood. This is not success and winning at all. If not for others, one can be in poverty conditions including starving in the streets.
The first level of success is being able to afford the cost of day to day living that includes but not limited to groceries, water, electricity, heating, mortgage, rent.
The second level includes the first level but in addition to the first level one is able to afford saving for maintenance of one's mode of transportation, one's place of dwelling and medical check ups or other non-emergencies.
The third level includes the second level but in addition to the second level one is able to save up for medical emergencies.
The fourth level includes the third but one is able to save up for investment for the distant future including but not limited to one's own retirement.
The fifth level includes the fourth but this includes affording to go on vacation and to splurge on the things that bring one enjoyment including but not limited to vacations and hobbies.
The sixth level includes the fifth level but being able to do elderly care of one's parents and possibly other family members.
The seventh level includes the sixth but having the ability to raise and afford a child and enable them to be able to do these seven levels.
The eighth level includes the seventh level but it includes enabling and helping others to achieve these levels as well
The ninth level includes the eighth but in addition it is enabling one's child to have the ability to being able to enable and help others to achieve these levels as well.
Success is multifaceted. The lower the level one is at the more easily one can slip into the zeroth level of success. For one's own being, one has to be at least past the fourth level of success. If one needs to take care of one's elderly parents and a child then one has to be past the seventh level. With this, one can easily end up back at the zeroth level of success even if one is past the fourth and fifth levels of success. With each additional level, the cost of living increases.
So, can everyone achieve and maintain these different levels of success? We all have abilities and disabilities in an existence where resources and living space is scarce. Can everyone get what they need and achieve these levels despite our existential and resource constraints? If everyone treats life as a competition (which is the essence of our free enterprise capitalistic economic system) in which one has to lose out for one to win then the answer is no. Some are going to lose no matter what moves they make, no matter how positive one's attitude is and no matter how much personal responsibility one has.
What is the level of control one has over one's life? Can everyone be a winner? Can everyone achieve? Can everyone control their own destiny, their own future and take charge of their own lives? Unfortunately, the facts do not bare this out and the answer to my questions is a resounding no. Americans value competition and the idea of competition is that one has winners and one has losers which mean some are predestined to be losers and therefore will end up in the zeroth level. How are we in control of our own lives? How do we make our own life?
Ted Nugent said "The only thing that truly holds anyone back is themselves." How? How is this the only thing that holds ourselves back? How does this always hold up as absolute truth? It is acknowledged (I acknowledge it as well) that life isn't fair, there are things beyond our control and since this is so then how does what Ted Nugent say hold up as absolute truth? How does anyone always hold themselves back and that there aren't things that are beyond their control that holds them back from achieving any of the success levels? What are my constraints and other people's constraints exactly?
As an Autistic person, I find American society confusing with contradictory standards which says and promoted at the same time anyone can be what they want to be and achieve if they work hard and pull themselves by their bootstraps yet on the other hand we live in a competitive society in which life isn't fair, people don't always get what they want and need, and people can and do lose in the end no matter what they do, how hard they work and how confident and positive they really are. How can both ideas be true at the same time and the same instance? Can one work hard and achieve these differing levels of success or are there other factors at play? Is working hard sufficient? There are those who would say I would need more confidence and more of a positive attitude. Again, is this sufficient combined with working hard? How?
To me, the USA is like 1984 in one sense. People in the USA seem to take two contradictory truths and believe both at the same time. It is believed that one can achieve success through hard work and confidence yet at the same time not everyone achieves what they want and need and life is unfair. We're told that in order to succeed one must work hard which is true but not sufficiently true yet it is presented as though it is the golden path which from my experience it is not. Having the correct social skills and personality is a must. One is told to be oneself and be true to oneself yet one has to follow all of these social standards and social rules like eye contact and having a firm handshake. It is promoted that we have freedom and freedom is a value yet we have 1000s upon 1000s upon laws and social standards that restrict what we can do and what options we have.
I live in a society in which some people tell me there are no absolutes yet isn't their maxim an absolute? I live in a society in which I'm told all one has to do is follow the law and one has nothing to worry about yet as stated previously there are 1000s upon 1000s of laws. How can one know and follow every single law that exists and correctly interpret the law? American society is confusing, confounding, contradictory and makes absolutely no sense. It is very difficult to pin anything down which is why I am unable to succeed in it. Unless it is obvious like committing murder, rape, child molestation, robbery, shoplifting, stealing and those types of wrongs it is not obvious to me as to what is right and what is wrong and why it is right or wrong.
To ask one to take responsible for one's own actions especially if one has no clue as to what the correct actions are, one can't derive them and others will not explain them to me (and others) is unreasonable. So, for me and others to be responsible for our own actions we would have to know what we did wrong, why it was wrong and what the correct way was. Conservatives say be responsible for one's own actions. How? How do we do that? What is the correct path(s) one must take to achieve and maintain these nine levels? What are the steps to do what is demanded?
Let me try to answer your inquiry in many fewer words than you would use.
First, every person has different skill sets so that separates all people. Secondly, and more important, I will repeat what a mentor once told me. He said work hard, keep your nose clean and your competition will begin to eliminate themselves. That has turned out to be so true. I was a C student all through HS and college. Yet I got job offers from both my interviews after college. I made the right decision and spent 42 years with that employer. I was in supervision and management positions for 39 of those 42 years. So being the most intelligent is not the most important. And yes, personal responsibility had a lot to do with any success I enjoyed.
The point is is, don't sell yourself short. Yes, you have a steeper hill to climb, but don't give up. I will give you one thought.
"If you think you can, you can. If you think you can't, you're right."
QuoteFirst, every person has different skill sets so that separates all people. Secondly, and more important, I will repeat what a mentor once told me. He said work hard, keep your nose clean and your competition will begin to eliminate themselves. That has turned out to be so true.
Thing is, maybe this turned out to be true for you but my question is how has this worked out for everyone.
QuoteI was a C student all through HS and college. Yet I got job offers from both my interviews after college. I made the right decision and spent 42 years with that employer. I was in supervision and management positions for 39 of those 42 years. So being the most intelligent is not the most important. And yes, personal responsibility had a lot to do with any success I enjoyed.
I never said that being the most intelligent is the most important but intelligence is a factor in obtaining employment. What I also said was it wasn't the
ONLY factor. Working hard and keeping one's nose clean(I'm assuming it means not to do anything criminal. ) may be necessary but is not sufficient. One also has to be productive as well meaning one has to do the greatest amount in the shortest amount of time as possible. One has to be able to have a certain amount of social skills, agility and a certain personality as well. One may be required to take a personality tests in which the questions are open to interpretation and the structure of the test leaves room to be desired.
I've written more right here.
https://whyifailedinamerica1.wordpress.com/2014/10/14/american-employment/
It's not as simple as you and your mentor make it out to be.
QuoteThe point is is, don't sell yourself short. Yes, you have a steeper hill to climb, but don't give up. I will give you one thought.
*Sighs in frustration* If I could do it then I would have done it. So would others. How do you figure I am selling myself short whatsoever?
Quote"If you think you can, you can. If you think you can't, you're right."
The problem with this is it assumes attitude is my problem and my issue. How attitude is treated today in modern American society is that it is not falsifiable. Why can't the null hypothesis be true meaning "It is something other than my attitude that is holding me or anyone else back." Why does attitude always have to be the first thing others go to.
If it was my attitude then how did I get on SSDI and meet their criteria easily the first time I applied, despite going to college and having the jobs I did have through no moves I made on my part. My state is supposedly the most difficult state to obtain SSDI and the benefits that come with it? In essence, they believe me to be at a competitive disadvantage.
I can show you where this does not hold up whatsoever. I remember I had problems switching lanes while driving.
Eventually, I went to Driving School to get a point reduction and for review. It turned out to be an excellent class. At a certain point I was ready to give up my license because I couldn't drive well and just cut it up. I was told what to do by my instructor on how to switch lanes properly. I asked a few questions and I was able to understand what to do. I was able to integrate the instruction and my attitude and confidence soared.
It wasn't my negative attitude and my lack of confidence that was the issue. It was my lack of knowledge that was the problem and not knowing what to do about it at first. I didn't have an attitude problem but a knowledge problem.
So, with this it isn't my attitude that's the issue at hand. It's my lack of knowledge and understanding that is the problem. Because of a lack of certain key social instincts it makes me mind blind to how others think so therefore I'm blind to how certain things work. The only way to resolve that is not an attitude adjustment but detailed instruction by others that spells certain things out that most people know or wear as a 2nd skin.
The problem with your advice is that it is overly simplistic and doesn't take into account how complex things really are and how there are so many nuances.
The problem with simply following the law is that there are 1000s upon 1000s of laws that exist today. How would one be able to know all of the laws and understand the subtext and context to the laws so one could keep his nose clean unless the law(s) are blatantly obvious to the person?
For one to be personal responsible for one's life and different things one would have to know what is right and wrong in all instances including but not limited to legally and socially. There are things like murder, rape, etc that are blatantly obvious but there are things that are not so obvious.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 16, 2015, 05:29:51 AM
Thing is, maybe this turned out to be true for you but my question is how has this worked out for everyone.
I never said that being the most intelligent is the most important but intelligence is a factor in obtaining employment. What I also said was it wasn't the ONLY factor. Working hard and keeping one's nose clean(I'm assuming it means not to do anything criminal. ) may be necessary but is not sufficient. One also has to be productive as well meaning one has to do the greatest amount in the shortest amount of time as possible. One has to be able to have a certain amount of social skills, agility and a certain personality as well. One may be required to take a personality tests in which the questions are open to interpretation and the structure of the test leaves room to be desired.
I've written more right here.
https://whyifailedinamerica1.wordpress.com/2014/10/14/american-employment/
It's not as simple as you and your mentor make it out to be.
*Sighs in frustration* If I could do it then I would have done it. So would others. How do you figure I am selling myself short whatsoever?
The problem with this is it assumes attitude is my problem and my issue. How attitude is treated today in modern American society is that it is not falsifiable. Why can't the null hypothesis be true meaning "It is something other than my attitude that is holding me or anyone else back." Why does attitude always have to be the first thing others go to.
If it was my attitude then how did I get on SSDI and meet their criteria easily the first time I applied, despite going to college and having the jobs I did have through no moves I made on my part. My state is supposedly the most difficult state to obtain SSDI and the benefits that come with it? In essence, they believe me to be at a competitive disadvantage.
I can show you where this does not hold up whatsoever. I remember I had problems switching lanes while driving.
Eventually, I went to Driving School to get a point reduction and for review. It turned out to be an excellent class. At a certain point I was ready to give up my license because I couldn't drive well and just cut it up. I was told what to do by my instructor on how to switch lanes properly. I asked a few questions and I was able to understand what to do. I was able to integrate the instruction and my attitude and confidence soared.
It wasn't my negative attitude and my lack of confidence that was the issue. It was my lack of knowledge that was the problem and not knowing what to do about it at first. I didn't have an attitude problem but a knowledge problem.
So, with this it isn't my attitude that's the issue at hand. It's my lack of knowledge and understanding that is the problem. Because of a lack of certain key social instincts it makes me mind blind to how others think so therefore I'm blind to how certain things work. The only way to resolve that is not an attitude adjustment but detailed instruction by others that spells certain things out that most people know or wear as a 2nd skin.
The problem with your advice is that it is overly simplistic and doesn't take into account how complex things really are and how there are so many nuances.
The problem with simply following the law is that there are 1000s upon 1000s of laws that exist today. How would one be able to know all of the laws and understand the subtext and context to the laws so one could keep his nose clean unless the law(s) are blatantly obvious to the person?
For one to be personal responsible for one's life and different things one would have to know what is right and wrong in all instances including but not limited to legally and socially. There are things like murder, rape, etc that are blatantly obvious but there are things that are not so obvious.
My friend I am tired and I am going to have to leave your pity party.
Quote from: kroz on July 15, 2015, 11:35:06 AM
Happy to be of service!! :wink:
Good going, Kroz. The internet audience wants information in separate, easy to digest pieces. One way to achieve that is to express a complete thought, in a sentence. Then offer a brief of supporting evidence, maybe then a conclusion. The fact is, once this little 4 x 8 text box has been filled, attention begins to fade. Multiple thoughts can be set off with
bold face or other formatting.
This advice coming from one of the more long winded and boring contributors to the forum. :biggrin:
Another axiom is that if you are going to make the reader use the scroll bar, you'd better make it worth his time. Remember, we are almost 100% text based, here.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 15, 2015, 08:39:17 AM
As an Autistic person, I find American society confusing with contradictory standards which says and promoted at the same time anyone can be what they want to be and achieve if they work hard and pull themselves by their bootstraps yet on the other hand we live in a competitive society in which life isn't fair, people don't always get what they want and need, and people can and do lose in the end no matter what they do, how hard they work and how confident and positive they really are. How can both ideas be true at the same time and the same instance?
As an autistic person, you think literally. I'm sure that is difficult, as life is also full of generalities, not specifics, and nuance. (meanings that are intended, but not spoken).
QuoteCan one work hard and achieve these differing levels of success or are there other factors at play? Is working hard sufficient? There are those who would say I would need more confidence and more of a positive attitude. Again, is this sufficient combined with working hard? How?
Don't cut your successes short. In spite of your limits, I find you very articulate, and analytical. Not everyone has that. I just don't think you've found your niche.
You need to find an analytical field where being literal is what is required. You certainly seem to have what it takes to be successful in that. You would probably be very good at writing too. You already have a technical background, there should be a need for writing operational data and manuals, which I would think would be something you would be good at.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 16, 2015, 07:32:42 AM
My friend I am tired and I am going to have to leave your pity party.
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Fallacy of Appeal to spite.
Quote from: Dori on July 16, 2015, 08:52:51 AM
As an autistic person, you think literally. I'm sure that is difficult, as life is also full of generalities, not specifics, and nuance. (meanings that are intended, but not spoken).
Don't cut your successes short. In spite of your limits, I find you very articulate, and analytical. Not everyone has that. I just don't think you've found your niche.
You need to find an analytical field where being literal is what is required. You certainly seem to have what it takes to be successful in that. You would probably be very good at writing too. You already have a technical background, there should be a need for writing operational data and manuals, which I would think would be something you would be good at.
I absolutely agree. As one who actually reads those manuals, nothing pleases me more than someone that can intricately convey a concise message on the subject.
Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2015, 09:22:28 AM
I absolutely agree. As one who actually reads those manuals, nothing pleases me more than someone that can intricately convey a concise message on the subject.
China and Japan both need someone that can put our U.S. manuals for there products. Or is it just me. :lol:
QuoteAs an autistic person, you think literally. I'm sure that is difficult, as life is also full of generalities, not specifics, and nuance. (meanings that are intended, but not spoken).
Tell me about it. If I was paid a penny for every nuance I missed I I would be a multi-millionaire by now. :wink:
QuoteDon't cut your successes short. In spite of your limits, I find you very articulate, and analytical. Not everyone has that. I just don't think you've found your niche.
I wish I could find my niche.
QuoteYou need to find an analytical field where being literal is what is required. You certainly seem to have what it takes to be successful in that. You would probably be very good at writing too. You already have a technical background, there should be a need for writing operational data and manuals, which I would think would be something you would be good at.
I think that would be great and I think I could write manuals. Do you have any tips as to what I can do to get into that?
Quote from: cubedemon on July 16, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
I think that would be great and I think I could write manuals. Do you have any tips as to what I can do to get into that?
If I were you, (and I know nothing about how to build software), is to write some specifications. Like a development/users manual. I would then contact a company like Microsoft. Write them a letter explaining your situation and submit a sample of what you can do. I would also think software designers, like gamers, would need their products written up. Is there no Autistic employment services that can advocate for you?
Another thing you might consider, is to write books on Autism. I would think parents and professionals alike would love to have that kind of information. You might even contact some major teaching hospitals. They have grants to study autism, and might like having someone like yourself on their team.
A few years ago, I read a book by/about an autistic woman. She could only relate to horses. So she raised horses. Kind of like someone you would call a "horse whisperer". You could also write books for kids with autism, as you probably are more aware of what interests them. I'm sure one of the hardest things for parents of children with autism, is to find ways to relate to them, or even to buy toys that interest them. This seems to be a very lacking field.
There are so many children born to day with autism. I've wondered why there isn't more help out there for the children and their parents. Even an autistic section in toy stores would be a good idea. Write some children's books and also put together a line of toys, all under "YOUR" brand.
Write some software computer games for autistic kids and get it produced. You would probably need an advocate, but maybe not.
Just try. You never know how these things will take off. I don't know what a "cubedemon" is, but if it's not already a trademark name, register it and use that. Generally, things like this can "snowball". (meaning once they start, they tend to grow, and grow.)
Quote from: Dori on July 16, 2015, 10:29:48 AM
If I were you, (and I know nothing about how to build software), is to write some specifications. Like a development/users manual. I would then contact a company like Microsoft. Write them a letter explaining your situation and submit a sample of what you can do. I would also think software designers, like gamers, would need their products written up. Is there no Autistic employment services that can advocate for you?
Another thing you might consider, is to write books on Autism. I would think parents and professionals alike would love to have that kind of information. You might even contact some major teaching hospitals. They have grants to study autism, and might like having someone like yourself on their team.
A few years ago, I read a book by/about an autistic woman. She could only relate to horses. So she raised horses. Kind of like someone you would call a "horse whisperer". You could also write books for kids with autism, as you probably are more aware of what interests them. I'm sure one of the hardest things for parents of children with autism, is to find ways to relate to them, or even to buy toys that interest them. This seems to be a very lacking field.
There are so many children born to day with autism. I've wondered why there isn't more help out there for the children and their parents. Even an autistic section in toy stores would be a good idea. Write some children's books and also put together a line of toys, all under "YOUR" brand.
Write some software computer games for autistic kids and get it produced. You would probably need an advocate, but maybe not.
Just try. You never know how these things will take off. I don't know what a "cubedemon" is, but if it's not already a trademark name, register it and use that. Generally, things like this can "snowball". (meaning once they start, they tend to grow, and grow.)
You know, you have some wonderful ideas. Microsoft does have a pilot program and I did write to them a while back. They were looking to hire autistics and had already filled the positions by the time I applied and they weren't in my state.
I think the manuals that are out there are ok but could be better. They're vague and leave stuff out. One thing I would love to see in manuals is glossaries.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 16, 2015, 10:46:17 AM
You know, you have some wonderful ideas. Microsoft does have a pilot program and I did write to them a while back. They were looking to hire autistics and had already filled the positions by the time I applied and they weren't in my state.
I think the manuals that are out there are ok but could be better. They're vague and leave stuff out. One thing I would love to see in manuals is glossaries.
Apply again and keep trying. Don't give up.
But also keep in mind about autistic kids. I believe there is a great need there that you could capitalize on. Parents don't know how to communicate with their child or know what it is exactly the child wants. You could tell them. Just like you mentioned about not being able to look people in the eye. You told me that it was painful for you to do that. That is something most parents don't know and try to force the child to look at them. If they understood that, it would help them and the child, as a parent does not want to hurt their child. Same with sleep, sounds, smells and food tastes, etc. What do these children need? What is the best way to communicate with them?
Dori you said "As an autistic person, you think literally. I'm sure that is difficult, as life is also full of generalities, not specifics, and nuance. (meanings that are intended, but not spoken). "
I do have some questions about this. Why do people choose to have life be full of generalities and nuance? How is this form of communication effective when so many things are and can be misunderstood and misconstrued by others? Wouldn't clear and specific communication be better and if not then why?
Quote from: cubedemon on July 18, 2015, 09:33:45 AM
Dori you said "As an autistic person, you think literally. I'm sure that is difficult, as life is also full of generalities, not specifics, and nuance. (meanings that are intended, but not spoken). "
I do have some questions about this. Why do people choose to have life be full of generalities and nuance? How is this form of communication effective when so many things are and can be misunderstood and misconstrued by others? Wouldn't clear and specific communication be better and if not then why?
Think. Language of love. It is the epitome of subtlety and nuance. Flirting is the art of nuance and innuendo leading to eventual copulation and procreation of the human specie.
Without it, we'd all be automatons.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 16, 2015, 10:46:17 AM
You know, you have some wonderful ideas. Microsoft does have a pilot program and I did write to them a while back. They were looking to hire autistics and had already filled the positions by the time I applied and they weren't in my state.
I think the manuals that are out there are ok but could be better. They're vague and leave stuff out. One thing I would love to see in manuals is glossaries.
I think you're full of crap about being autistic, but I'll play along.
Are you good at drawing diagrams? Regarding software, I have no idea why you couldn't learn on your own.
One of the hot things right now is data visualization. Check out: http://d3js.org/ If I had time, and some decent ideas, I would add some data visualization to the forum for various concepts. Also, me and Solar are in the beginning stages of upgrading the forum to the new 2.1 version of SMF. It would be cool if we had someone to help with that.
There are many niches that development firms need that are sort of "tween" jobs. For example, on the web development side, developers hate the styling and graphical aspect of things. Not many people want to take hold of CSS3, which lays out the page and styling. Developers use tools like SASS to compile the CSS3, making it easier, but they really don't want to do it. Graphic designers want to lay out the aesthetics of the front end pages, but hate doing anything with CSS, etc. There is a huge demand for people who can bridge that gap. Not only does it apply for web development firms, but really any software outfit. That's one example, but there are many others where your lack of experience isn't as much of a barrier for an entry point into a niche, and you're learning aspects of development and graphic design.
QuoteThink. Language of love.
Think? In what way? What am I to think of? You're asking me to think in a way that is foreign and alien to me. I do not know how to think in the way you can think.
I've heard two things about the concept of love.
Love is an emotional state and Love is a decision.
How is an emotional state and/or a decision a language?
QuoteIt is the epitome of subtlety and nuance.
What does love have to do with my questions though? How did we get from effective and clear cut communication to the emotional state or the decision called love? You made a leap in logic I do not grasp.
QuoteFlirting is the art of nuance and innuendo leading to eventual copulation and procreation of the human specie.
I understand it can lead to eventual copulation and procreation of the human specie.
QuoteWithout it, we'd all be automatons.
How do you figure this as so? Why do we need nuance, innuendos, and generalities to lead to love, copulation and procreation? Why wouldn't clear cut and specific language be better?
QuoteI think you're full of crap about being autistic, but I'll play along.
You're thinking I'm being deceptive and/or lying. What makes you think this?
QuoteAre you good at drawing diagrams?
What kind of diagrams?
QuoteRegarding software, I have no idea why you couldn't learn on your own.
I never said I couldn't. In fact, I know I can. I can get a book or look online and learn it. That's the easy part. The difficult part that I can't figure out is the structure of employment, their nuances and rules.
QuoteOne of the hot things right now is data visualization.
How do you know and how did you derive this?
QuoteCheck out: http://d3js.org/
I will.
QuoteIf I had time, and some decent ideas, I would add some data visualization to the forum for various concepts.
I thought it wasn't about having time but making time.
QuoteAlso, me and Solar are in the beginning stages of upgrading the forum to the new 2.1 version of SMF. It would be cool if we had someone to help with that.
I would need to learn SMF, need a due date to learn it by and then I would need time to examine and understand the current code. After that I would be able to help upgrade the forum. I would need due dates and milestones provided. Let's say I successfully help upgrade this forum. Then what? What is the next step exactly to achieve success in the IT field.
QuoteThere are many niches that development firms need that are sort of "tween" jobs.
Where exactly? What firms? What niches? Where are these tween jobs at? What are their names? Again, what is the structure of the workplace?
QuoteFor example, on the web development side, developers hate the styling and graphical aspect of things.
I am not a good artist at all. My visual side waved bye bye to me a long time ago. So, we might as well forget it.
QuoteNot many people want to take hold of CSS3, which lays out the page and styling. Developers use tools like SASS to compile the CSS3, making it easier, but they really don't want to do it. Graphic designers want to lay out the aesthetics of the front end pages, but hate doing anything with CSS, etc. There is a huge demand for people who can bridge that gap. Not only does it apply for web development firms, but really any software outfit. That's one example, but there are many others where your lack of experience isn't as much of a barrier for an entry point into a niche, and you're learning aspects of development and graphic design.
Again, if this demand exists then how would one get in on this demand? I have step by step detailed instructions missing. I literally do not understand what you are talking about. It's to ambiguous, unstructured and to vague.
Dori, you say to try and never give up. What do I try exactly?
Quote from: cubedemon on July 18, 2015, 01:51:24 PM
Think? In what way? What am I to think of? You're asking me to think in a way that is foreign and alien to me. I do not know how to think in the way you can think.
I've heard two things about the concept of love.
You wanted a description of nuance in language, I gave it to you in the form of describing courtship.
QuoteLove is an emotional state and Love is a decision.
How is an emotional state and/or a decision a language?
True, and attraction goes beyond the physical. From intellect to the ability to support a household, security etc, a woman looks ate everything as a package, but if you can't convey simple subtleties of interest with the little things in life, this will be a mark against you.
Things like knowing just when to STFU, because the look on her face tells you she just wants to be held, but if you keep on yapping, she will walk away.
QuoteWhat does love have to do with my questions though? How did we get from effective and clear cut communication to the emotional state or the decision called love? You made a leap in logic I do not grasp.
Because love is not necessarily conveyed in words, n fact one can show love without ever speaking a single word, that's why.
QuoteI understand it can lead to eventual copulation and procreation of the human specie.
How do you figure this as so? Why do we need nuance, innuendos, and generalities to lead to love, copulation and procreation? Why wouldn't clear cut and specific language be better?
Sure if you're buying a car, but when setting the stage for giving yourself to another for life, it takes much more than a formal agreement.
It requires you to recognize when your partner is unhappy. Men are generally stupid in this area, but when a man loves a woman, he takes care in reading the subtleties of his partner, from joy to sadness, frustration, and if you can't spot these quickly, you're in for a seriously bumpy ride.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 18, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
Dori, you say to try and never give up. What do I try exactly?
I mean, any other suggestions? I'm just curious.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 18, 2015, 02:08:57 PM
Dori, you say to try and never give up. What do I try exactly?
Keep sending companies your resume and letter of introduction.
Are you creative? Do you get ideas about software programs and then design them?
http://www.everymanbusiness.com/search.php?q=create+an+app
QuoteKeep sending companies your resume and letter of introduction.
Refer to Einstein's definition of Insanity. You're asking me to play the same game that has failed me constantly and others as well. Others have suggested this as well.
By the way, there are already plenty of books by Autistic authors. https://www.google.com/#q=books+by+autistic+authors&tbm=shop
QuoteAre you creative? Do you get ideas about software programs and then design them?
No and No.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 18, 2015, 10:05:41 PM
Refer to Einstein's definition of Insanity. You're asking me to play the same game that has failed me constantly and others as well. Others have suggested this as well.
By the way, there are already plenty of books by Autistic authors. https://www.google.com/#q=books+by+autistic+authors&tbm=shop
No and No.
That's right, just say you'll never succeed, and then sit on your dead ass and actually PROVE it. That "same game" is how the rest of us do it, so why not you --- except that you're somehow special? Scarcely!
Quote from: cubedemon on July 18, 2015, 10:05:41 PM
Refer to Einstein's definition of Insanity. You're asking me to play the same game that has failed me constantly and others as well. Others have suggested this as well.
Yet millions of Americans seem to find work regardless.
Hmmm, could it be your defeatist attitude that keeps you from getting whay you want?
Yes, it is, you are your own worst enemy, a self made barrier, your own damn pitty party.
Hell, with that kind of outlook seething from your very soul, I wouldn't hire you to water my damned lawn.
QuoteBy the way, there are already plenty of books by Autistic authors. https://www.google.com/#q=books+by+autistic+authors&tbm=shop
And despite the odds, they persevered.
QuoteNo and No.
Obviously.
How do you even find the courage to face the next day, knowing it'll probably be worse than the last?
I mean seriously, it sounds like you've given up on all hope, yet here you are ....makes no sense, unless you're looking for affirmation from people you'll never meet, because this isn't reality, it's easier dealing with us than it is reality, where people reject you for who you are, not what you consider a disability.
In truth, people don't like you, the individual, do they?
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 05:40:44 AM
Yet millions of Americans seem to find work regardless.
Hmmm, could it be your defeatist attitude that keeps you from getting whay you want?
Yes, it is, you are your own worst enemy, a self made barrier, your own damn pitty party.
Hell, with that kind of outlook seething from your very soul, I wouldn't hire you to water my damned lawn.
And despite the odds, they persevered.
Obviously.
How do you even find the courage to face the next day, knowing it'll probably be worse than the last?
I mean seriously, it sounds like you've given up on all hope, yet here you are ....makes no sense, unless you're looking for affirmation from people you'll never meet, because this isn't reality, it's easier dealing with us than it is reality, where people reject you for who you are, not what you consider a disability.
In truth, people don't like you, the individual, do they?
Hmm...
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Entitled, Don't Try or You May Succeed
Quote from: quiller on July 19, 2015, 04:48:44 AM
That's right, just say you'll never succeed, and then sit on your dead ass and actually PROVE it. That "same game" is how the rest of us do it, so why not you --- except that you're somehow special? Scarcely!
I'm glad my parents didn't have his worthless attitude, or I wouldn't even be here.
Ya know what's odd? The happiest times in my life, was when I had a challenge that seemed unsurmountable from any angle, tasks most would have run from for fear of failure.
But it was the challenge that appealed to me, not the achievement of completion.
And now that I have finished all the goals I'd set for myself in life, broken all the barriers that seemed impossible early in life, I'm actually bored to tears.
Gee, I'd get another dog, but using his logic and faith, it'll probably hate me, bite me, destroy the carpet, pee on my shoes, bark all the time and runaway.
So why bother.....
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 05:56:35 AM
I'm glad my parents didn't have his worthless attitude, or I wouldn't even be here.
Ya know what's odd? The happiest times in my life, was when I had a challenge that seemed unsurmountable from any angle, tasks most would have run from for fear of failure.
But it was the challenge that appealed to me, not the achievement of completion.
And now that I have finished all the goals I'd set for myself in life, broken all the barriers that seemed impossible early in life, I'm actually bored to tears.
Gee, I'd get another dog, but using his logic and faith, it'll probably hate me, bite me, destroy the carpet, pee on my shoes, bark all the time and runaway.
So why bother.....
Why even get out of bed and start a new day?
Quote from: walkstall on July 19, 2015, 06:09:51 AM
Why even get out of bed and start a new day?
Hell, why even go to bed, when there are perfectly good cliffs in need of closeup inspection, from top to bottom.
It only takes seconds... :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 06:53:21 AM
Hell, why even go to bed, when there are perfectly good cliffs in need of closeup inspection, from top to bottom.
It only takes seconds... :biggrin:
Here's the last site on Earth that he would use as a way to end his problems....
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2015/01/24/50ways-make-50dollars/
Quote from: quiller on July 19, 2015, 12:50:52 PM
Here's the last site on Earth that he would use as a way to end his problems....
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2015/01/24/50ways-make-50dollars/
Now that would sounds like work on his part.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 18, 2015, 02:03:10 PM
You're thinking I'm being deceptive and/or lying. What makes you think this?
What kind of diagrams?
I never said I couldn't. In fact, I know I can. I can get a book or look online and learn it. That's the easy part. The difficult part that I can't figure out is the structure of employment, their nuances and rules.
How do you know and how did you derive this?
I will.
I thought it wasn't about having time but making time.
I would need to learn SMF, need a due date to learn it by and then I would need time to examine and understand the current code. After that I would be able to help upgrade the forum. I would need due dates and milestones provided. Let's say I successfully help upgrade this forum. Then what? What is the next step exactly to achieve success in the IT field.
Where exactly? What firms? What niches? Where are these tween jobs at? What are their names? Again, what is the structure of the workplace?
I am not a good artist at all. My visual side waved bye bye to me a long time ago. So, we might as well forget it.
Again, if this demand exists then how would one get in on this demand? I have step by step detailed instructions missing. I literally do not understand what you are talking about. It's to ambiguous, unstructured and to vague.
You pretty much responded exactly how I knew you would.
The best thing you can do is to find a nice homeless shelter where other unskilled people decide to give up. You really aren't capable of anything to benefit our society, so why not find a place like that and just put your feet up. Let me know if you need step-by-step instructions for that.
Quote from: taxed on July 19, 2015, 06:43:45 PM
You pretty much responded exactly how I knew you would.
The best thing you can do is to find a nice homeless shelter where other unskilled people decide to give up. You really aren't capable of anything to benefit our society, so why not find a place like that and just put your feet up. Let me know if you need step-by-step instructions for that.
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Go to the cause.
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Go to the cause.
EXCELLENT!
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Go to the cause.
This nails it!
Personal responsibility.
...... novel idea! :ohmy:
How competitive is THIS clod if he cannot use a search engine to find himself a job? Just what does he expect from life, demanding everything be handed to him?
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I think cubedemon would excel as a cheeseburger assembly engineer. Just make sure he has a checklist of the steps within his sight.
Quote from: taxed on July 20, 2015, 05:15:08 PM
I think cubedemon would excel as a cheeseburger assembly engineer. Just make sure he has a checklist of the steps within his sight.
And the cheese. :tounge:
Quote from: quiller on July 20, 2015, 03:27:03 PM
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What do I expect from life? Obviously nothing, including others to be consistent and logical in their thoughts and ideas and to use critical thought.
If our society is a competitive society then by the very definition of competition our society and other societies will have winners and losers. The idea of competition is that some will be predestined to lose no matter what moves they make including using a search engine. People don't always get what they want and need no matter what methods they use or how hard they try. In fact, "life is not fair" is the concept that embodies this.
How does personal responsibility, internal locus of control and the idea that we control our own destinies hold up at all? The belief is if I lose then it is my fault that I lose and I'm to blame no matter the circumstances. How can some individuals be at fault and responsible for their own loss if the idea of competition is that there will be winners and losers, life is not fair, which means some are predestined to lose. It's like saying that we create our own predestination and based upon both concepts which are opposite to each other how does both contradictory concepts hold up at the same time?
If some are predestined to lose then how is it always true that a person causes their own failure?
I'm not whining nor complaining. I'm disputing American beliefs and questioning them. American logic and beliefs do not stand up to rationality and logic whatsoever and is riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies.
By the way, how do you know I haven't tried the search answer and the information I found to me was confusing, made so sense, contradictory and again made absolutely no sense.
I don't quote lazy fools too self-indulgent to fix their own problems. Grow up, boy.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 23, 2015, 07:11:06 PM
What do I expect from life? Obviously nothing, including others to be consistent and logical in their thoughts and ideas and to use critical thought.
If our society is a competitive society then by the very definition of competition our society and other societies will have winners and losers. The idea of competition is that some will be predestined to lose no matter what moves they make including using a search engine. People don't always get what they want and need no matter what methods they use or how hard they try. In fact, "life is not fair" is the concept that embodies this.
How does personal responsibility, internal locus of control and the idea that we control our own destinies hold up at all? The belief is if I lose then it is my fault that I lose and I'm to blame no matter the circumstances. How can some individuals be at fault and responsible for their own loss if the idea of competition is that there will be winners and losers, life is not fair, which means some are predestined to lose. It's like saying that we create our own predestination and based upon both concepts which are opposite to each other how does both contradictory concepts hold up at the same time?
If some are predestined to lose then how is it always true that a person causes their own failure?
I'm not whining nor complaining. I'm disputing American beliefs and questioning them. American logic and beliefs do not stand up to rationality and logic whatsoever and is riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies.
By the way, how do you know I haven't tried the search answer and the information I found to me was confusing, made so sense, contradictory and again made absolutely no sense.
Life is a matter of perspective, if you think you're a loser, then by God, you're a loser.
Ask a poor man whom just finally paid off his car, he will tell you he is successful, but ask a rich man that can't find love, and he'll probably say he is unhappy.
Point is, it's how you view your station in life.
Myself, I couldn't have a more blessed life, but I'd rather be running the country, and that'll never happen, I have to accept that as part of my limitations, but if I were to focus on it, try and fail, and repeat, then I doubt I'd be happy due to failure.
So I accept my limitations and work within my restrictions, which I do and I'm quite happy with that.
Recognize your limits and focus on your abilities, to do otherwise?
Quote from: quiller on July 23, 2015, 07:30:01 PM
I don't quote lazy fools too self-indulgent to fix their own problems. Grow up, boy.
More Ad Hominem Attacks! Wow!
Even Charles Sykes says in rule eight of the rules won't learn in school "Your school may have done away with winners and losers but life has not. In some schools they have abolished failing grades, they'll give you as many times as you want to get the right answer. This, of course, bears not the slightest resemblance to anything in real life."
This is a truism that is accepted as fact and is fact. Again, by the idea of this some are predestined to win and some are predestined to lose. If this is true then are we all to blame for our own circumstances no matter what the circumstances are? Can everyone be responsible, work hard, overcome obstacles and win. Can anyone and everyone be winners in American Society? If not and if life is not fair holds up and some will lose holds up as fact then by logic working hard, being responsible and making the right decisions doesn't always work.
Either he is correct in what he says and some our predestined to fail in life no matter what decisions they make or our destines are determined by the choices we make in our life? People seem to accept both propositions as truth and to accept both as true means you accept diametrically opposing beliefs at the same which means American beliefs are a form of double think like in Orwell's 1984. You believe contrary ideas as both true.
I should add, I don't even READ the sniveling from self-indulgent children too lazy to fix their own problems. Whine me a river. It's wasted effort.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 23, 2015, 08:01:23 PM
More Ad Hominem Attacks! Wow!
I did not see that as a Ad Hominem Attack. I think he told you where the bear shits in the woods.
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Quote from: cubedemon on July 23, 2015, 07:11:06 PM
What do I expect from life?
Who cares.
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Obviously nothing, including others to be consistent and logical in their thoughts and ideas and to use critical thought.
I'd be lying if I said I care what someone with the skill-cap of a cheeseburger assembler thinks, about anything, ever.
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If our society is a competitive society then by the very definition of competition our society and other societies will have winners and losers.
Gee, what amazing observation.
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The idea of competition is that some will be predestined to lose no matter what moves they make including using a search engine.
Wrong. Competition makes people strong. Person A beats person B, then person B works harder to beat person A. You, on the other hand, roll over and cry about how unfair life is. Your parents need a mulligan.
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People don't always get what they want and need no matter what methods they use or how hard they try. In fact, "life is not fair" is the concept that embodies this.
That's a good thing. People need to earn what they want.
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How does personal responsibility, internal locus of control and the idea that we control our own destinies hold up at all?
For me, very well. Not so much for those I knew who blew away their 20s. You can't whine your way to success.
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The belief is if I lose then it is my fault that I lose and I'm to blame no matter the circumstances.
That's not a belief, it's a reality.
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How can some individuals be at fault and responsible for their own loss if the idea of competition is that there will be winners and losers, life is not fair, which means some are predestined to lose. It's like saying that we create our own predestination and based upon both concepts which are opposite to each other how does both contradictory concepts hold up at the same time?
You'd make a great Scientology member. You have no marketable skill at all, yet you complain about your lack of success. Put some work into learning something like the rest of us normal people.
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If some are predestined to lose then how is it always true that a person causes their own failure?
You're saying people are pre-destined to lose.
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I'm not whining nor complaining.
Yeah, and Oprah at a buffet is just "snacking".
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I'm disputing American beliefs and questioning them.
Take that energy and do something.
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American logic and beliefs do not stand up to rationality and logic whatsoever and is riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies.
Speak for yourself. You should probably move to another country.
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By the way, how do you know I haven't tried the search answer and the information I found to me was confusing, made so sense, contradictory and again made absolutely no sense.
Because you're not the first lazy person to complain about our evil capitalist system.
Quote from: walkstall on July 23, 2015, 08:13:44 PM
I did not see that as a Ad Hominem Attack. I think he told you where the bear shits in the woods.
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Ad hominem attacks? Yeah. Right.
I held my first regular paying job in eighth grade. Why can't this bawling brat?
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Great verse, quiller..... full of poignant truth !
I wonder how many people here have had any contact with people who have Autism or even understand what it is.
Quote from: Dori on July 24, 2015, 11:16:44 AM
I wonder how many people here have had any contact with people who have Autism or even understand what it is.
I do, but cannot expose it on this forum.
Quote from: kroz on July 24, 2015, 11:21:14 AM
I do, but cannot expose it on this forum.
Me too. I used to let the Kaplin foundation for autistic children bring their group to my business and perform menial tasks to the best of their abilities.
Granted, these kids were severe cases, but it gives one a new perspective on an individuals abilities as well as disabilities.
One thing they all shared, was a need to try new things, some even refused to stop once they mastered the chore.
One kid refused to stop sweeping once he understood it's purpose. Never had a cleaner parking lot.
Quote from: Dori on July 24, 2015, 11:16:44 AM
I wonder how many people here have had any contact with people who have Autism or even understand what it is.
One of my close friends has a kid with autism. Also, my sister ran a house for autistic kids. I heard a lot about it first hand from her. Even stuff like how when one of them would freak out, she'd have to do manuver with them and do a roll with them on the ground until they calm down. There's an element of danger to it I remember. Autistic kids can't just hop on a computer, log into a forum with a username, find the right forum, then post about how the US and da evil capitalism be keepin dem down. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Then you have the rare rain-man like guys, or even like Jacob Barnett who is in his teens and disproving Einstein's theories and teaching astrophysics. Trust me, cubedemon isn't that one.
Quote from: taxed on July 24, 2015, 12:27:13 PM
One of my close friends has a kid with autism. Also, my sister ran a house for autistic kids. I heard a lot about it first hand from her. Even stuff like how when one of them would freak out, she'd have to do manuver with them and do a roll with them on the ground until they calm down. There's an element of danger to it I remember. Autistic kids can't just hop on a computer, log into a forum with a username, find the right forum, then post about how the US and da evil capitalism be keepin dem down. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Then you have the rare rain-man like guys, or even like Jacob Barnett who is in his teens and disproving Einstein's theories and teaching astrophysics. Trust me, cubedemon isn't that one.
I know a boy with autism. There are all different degrees of it. The boy is very smart and communicates better on the internet, than with direct person to person contact. He can play all those computer games and ace them in no time. He can tell you what day of the week your birthday will fall on, five years from now. It's just hard to relate regarding every day issues, one on one.
Quote from: Dori on July 24, 2015, 12:45:52 PM
I know a boy with autism. There are all different degrees of it. The boy is very smart and communicates better on the internet, than with direct person to person contact. He can play all those computer games and ace them in no time. He can tell you what day of the week your birthday will fall on, five years from now. It's just hard to relate regarding every day issues, one on one.
That child you describe sounds more like an idiot/savant. He could have a combination of abnormalities.... not just autism.
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Touche!
Quote from: kroz on July 24, 2015, 04:52:49 AM
Great verse, quiller..... full of poignant truth !
Service (1874-1958) was called the Bard of the Yukon for his lean, direct, masculine style. A gold miner and adventurer, he knew firsthand whereof he spoke.
This poem is from Service's 1912 book
Rhymes of a Rolling Stone, available free, here....
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/309/309-h/309-h.htm#link2H_4_0041
I have given up and quit, yet, my will is strong, and I shall fight and never surrender.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 24, 2015, 06:41:52 PM
I have given up and quit, yet, my will is strong, and I shall fight and never surrender.
You contradict yourself with the first six and the last six words in a single sentence. You're a
special kind of idiot, aren't you, sonny?
Quote from: quiller on July 24, 2015, 08:17:07 PM
You contradict yourself with the first six and the last six words in a single sentence. You're a special kind of idiot, aren't you, sonny?
It is called Dialetheism.
Quote from: Dori on July 24, 2015, 12:45:52 PM
I know a boy with autism. There are all different degrees of it. The boy is very smart and communicates better on the internet, than with direct person to person contact. He can play all those computer games and ace them in no time. He can tell you what day of the week your birthday will fall on, five years from now. It's just hard to relate regarding every day issues, one on one.
Would that boy get online and complain how evil competition is holding him down?
Quote from: cubedemon on July 24, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
It is called Dialetheism.
It's called making no sense. Real autistic kids are distancing themselves from you.
Dialetheism is not in my dictionary.
Quote from: kroz on July 25, 2015, 04:43:17 AM
Dialetheism is not in my dictionary.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/dialetheism/
Quote from: kroz on July 25, 2015, 04:43:17 AM
Dialetheism is not in my dictionary.
Because like all words, they get usurped for ones self interests and bastardized to fit an agenda.
Like gay no longer represents happy, or the theft of all that good in a child's rainbow and taken it's innocence and stomped it into the dirt to represent evil.
dialetheia is merely, "a contradiction" with ism added for ownership in usurpation to apply it as a new meaning to give credence to a theory..
Granted, this is mostly my opinion, but it's something that's happening more and more all the time to give gravity, or gravitas as the left loves to use to a nonexistant issue.
Everything that creates division is through a hidden driven agenda, and... "actus reus" is just another tool being used against American culture.
Actus Reus: Activity that transgresses moral or civil law.
Quote from: taxed on July 24, 2015, 08:33:40 PM
It's called making no sense. Real autistic kids are distancing themselves from you.
Autism is a spectrum disorder. You're talking about a particular version i.e. kanners. I'm on the milder end. So, these "real autistic kids" are more profound then me so they are a huge distance from me.
I have an extreme need for routine.
I do take things literally sometimes.
I do have problems with eye contact.
I do have some problems with abstract thought even though the internet has helped.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 25, 2015, 07:12:23 AM
Autism is a spectrum disorder. You're talking about a particular version i.e. kanners. I'm on the milder end. So, these "real autistic kids" are more profound then me so they are a huge distance from me.
I have an extreme need for routine.
I do take things literally sometimes.
I do have problems with eye contact.
I do have some problems with abstract thought even though the internet has helped.
You meant "spectrum disorder", correct?
Quote from: taxed on July 24, 2015, 08:31:22 PM
Would that boy get online and complain how evil competition is holding him down?
Maybe, I'll have to find that out. I don't see cubedemon's questions as complaining. I see them as just that, questions. Trying to understand.
When someone thinks in very literal terms, it is hard to understand what society at large is trying to tell them.
Interpreting language is something we do all the time, it has different meanings to different people. It's especially hard when your on the spectrum.
We use clichés, metaphors and figurative language which you can see would be very confusing to someone who thinks in a more one dimensional, or literal way.
If someone said to you, "don't change horses in the middle of the stream", they're more than likely not talking about horses at all.
QuoteMaybe, I'll have to find that out. I don't see cubedemon's questions as complaining. I see them as just that, questions. Trying to understand.
No, I'm not complaining. What I'm saying is that American society's beliefs is filled with inconsistencies that make no sense such as some being predestined(property of competition is life has winners and losers) to lose yet they choose to lose(internal locus of control, lack of personal responsibility).
QuoteWhen someone thinks in very literal terms, it is hard to understand what society at large is trying to tell them.
Yes, it is.
QuoteInterpreting language is something we do all the time, it has different meanings to different people. It's especially hard when your on the spectrum.
If this is true then how does everyone understand each other?
QuoteWe use clichés, metaphors and figurative language which you can see would be very confusing to someone who thinks in a more one dimensional, or literal way.
True, I'm getting better.
QuoteIf someone said to you, "don't change horses in the middle of the stream", they're more than likely not talking about horses at all.
What else would they talk about. I hope they don't use bronco horses.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 25, 2015, 07:12:23 AM
Autism is a spectrum disorder. You're talking about a particular version i.e. kanners. I'm on the milder end. So, these "real autistic kids" are more profound then me so they are a huge distance from me.
I have an extreme need for routine.
So do I.
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I do take things literally sometimes.
Take? You mean interpret or physically take? I do as well.
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I do have problems with eye contact.
It's called "being shy".
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I do have some problems with abstract thought even though the internet has helped.
Then quit going to lib sites.
I could easily pass as autistic nowadays, if I was a child. I had a dad who told me to knock my crap off. I'm doing the same to you. We all have our personality traits. Learn to adapt.
QuoteSo do I.
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QuoteTake? You mean interpret or physically take? I do as well.
sorry. I mean interpret.
QuoteIt's called "being shy".
No, it is not. It is an extreme physical comfort for me. I wish there was a way to remove the discomfort. I wonder if a mannequin would work.
QuoteThen quit going to lib sites.
not going to them. Why would you think I was going to them?
QuoteI could easily pass as autistic nowadays, if I was a child. I had a dad who told me to knock my crap off. I'm doing the same to you. We all have our personality traits. Learn to adapt.
I'm trying slowly but surely but I would gladly appreciate a couple of tips if you don't mind. That's why I'm here. I'm trying to learn to adapt and knock my crap off. I will ask more questions, collate everyone's responses and analyze them. I'm going to other sites as well.
Quote from: cubedemon on July 25, 2015, 10:55:11 PM
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sorry. I mean interpret.
No, it is not. It is an extreme physical comfort for me. I wish there was a way to remove the discomfort.
not going to them. Why would you think I was going to them?
I'm trying slowly but surely but I would gladly appreciate a couple of tips if you don't mind. That's why I'm here. I'm trying to learn to adapt and knock my crap off. I will ask more questions, collate everyone's responses and analyze them. I'm going to other sites as well.
When you exhibit some positive thinking, that will be the turning point. The mind is a powerful thing. A lot of people are not comfortable looking other people in the eye. Just practice it. Find someone you know and look them in the eye and have a conversation. A little at a time. You can read a lot about a person when you look into their eyes. It's like what my old ex-Delta Force boss told me when I was complaining about how difficult something was: "Nobody's shooting at you."
Quote from: cubedemon on July 25, 2015, 10:55:11 PM
cool
sorry. I mean interpret.
No, it is not. It is an extreme physical comfort for me. I wish there was a way to remove the discomfort. I wonder if a mannequin would work.
not going to them. Why would you think I was going to them?
I'm trying slowly but surely but I would gladly appreciate a couple of tips if you don't mind. That's why I'm here. I'm trying to learn to adapt and knock my crap off. I will ask more questions, collate everyone's responses and analyze them. I'm going to other sites as well.
What Taxed is saying, is today's society is exacerbating a simple common cold into an epidemic.
Today...."Your son won't sit still in class, he constantly annoys other children, always looking out the window", etc, etc, etc....
Yesteryear 1940, SMACK!!!! Sit your ass still Johnny, quit that and do your work, or I'll tell your father that you are not being a good student....Yes Mammm...
No sending the kid off to shrinks diagnosing problems, no stigmas, no reason to classify or pigeonhole the kid as having a disability.
No, he was a normal kid with an abundance of energy that needed harnessed, no drugs, no labeling, no special class.
Today if a child doesn't fit a mold of what the left deems acceptable, they have a disability, they need diagnosed, and drugged accordingly.
Point is, what Taxed is saying is actually good advice, and if you can find the strength to tell those that tell you, you're impaired and have a disability, to go screw themselves.
I was one of those kids labeled disruptive, wouldn't sit still in class, he constantly annoys other children, always looking out the window, etc, etc, etc....(ADHD) and yeah, that was me, but it wasn't a disability, I didn't fit their mold.....
It was 1967, I freakin hated school, my mom put me in school a year early at 4, so I was at a disadvantage from the start, all the kids were bigger than me, I hated it, I was just a little kid, but I did my best, up until I entered junior high when hormones kicked in, now I really wanted out, I had 10 times more energy than any kid in the class, I couldn't sit still, I was flunking every class, they put me on Ritilan, I went to straight A's for the year. Yes, I was the poster child for hyper kid.
My dad said enough is enough, took me off Ritilan, they tested me further, found out the original diagnosis of my problems being a disability were wrong, in truth, I had too much ability, they said I was gifted, but lacked social skills due to a maturity problem being put in with kids much older than I, that I was bored because the school system moved way to slow for me.
Even though I was failing every class, it wasn't because I wasn't learning, I hated taking tests, and wanted to watch the birds out the window.
My point is, we all have issues, but if you let their label shape your life, you'll always see yourself with a disability.
It was later in life that I had my IQ tested on several occasions, they said I was a genius, big whoop, because being labeled genius, in truth, means you lack severely in other areas, and I do, believe me, so having discovered I had the ability to retain useless information doesn't make me smarter than anyone else, it just means I excel in one area, while lacking in another.
What it meant to me, was all their labeling of me, was just their failure in dealing with a kid that didn't fit in with their Utopian world of little mindless drones.
But I had to know, so I took the State IQ tests, I needed to find out if I was born with a mental disability or not, because you start believing all the bull shit labels they stick on you as a kid, they become self fulling, they become walls around you.
So forget all the bull shit, quit focusing on what you perceive as a disability, or have been convinced by so called professionals as a disability and focus on your strengths.
I have a feeling you're dealing with the same shit I did, being labeled with a disability, when in truth, you probably have a gift you just haven't developed, because you've focused all your energy on something you have no control over.
As the great Bob Newhart once said while portraying a psychiatrist. "Stop it, Just Stop It!!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0lr63y4Mw
Solar, Bob Newhart is funny. I am here laughing my ass off. So simple, yet so profound. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: cubedemon on July 26, 2015, 08:07:18 AM
Solar, Bob Newhart is funny. I am here laughing my ass off. So simple, yet so profound. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Yeah, solid conservative trapped in a lib industry that manages to make fun of them without their realizing they are the butt of the joke.
Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2015, 08:14:44 AM
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Yeah, solid conservative trapped in a lib industry that manages to make fun of them without their realizing they are the butt of the joke.
I just watched an old movie, "As Good As It Gets", with Jack Nicholson. He has OCD and says what he thinks regarding peoples looks, etc. No PC in that movie. His neighbor is gay, and the things he says to him would never make it in Hollywood today.
Quote from: Dori on July 26, 2015, 12:19:47 PM
I just watched an old movie, "As Good As It Gets", with Jack Nicholson. He has OCD and says what he thinks regarding peoples looks, etc. No PC in that movie. His neighbor is gay, and the things he says to him would never make it in Hollywood today.
I remember that movie. I've never been a fan of Nicholson but that movie was pretty good. The female lead was good...... I forget her name, but she made that movie IMHO.
Quote from: kroz on July 26, 2015, 12:22:28 PM
I remember that movie. I've never been a fan of Nicholson but that movie was pretty good. The female lead was good...... I forget her name, but she made that movie IMHO.
I like actors that can play any character, from comedy to the evil bad guy. The woman was Helen Hunt. They both won best actor for their roles in that movie.
Quote from: Dori on July 26, 2015, 12:45:47 PM
I like actors that can play any character, from comedy to the evil bad guy. The woman was Helen Hunt. They both won best actor for their roles in that movie.
Ah-yes, now I remember. Helen Hunt. She was darned good but you never hear anything about her anymore. :confused:
Quote from: kroz on July 26, 2015, 12:55:25 PM
Ah-yes, now I remember. Helen Hunt. She was darned good but you never hear anything about her anymore. :confused:
I know. I haven't seen her in anything in awhile. I ran across a list of movies from the 90's and did a search on my DVR to see if they were listed. That's how I found that one. Had seen it years ago, and totally forgotten about it.
I'm trying to find a movie about a police? detective that is protecting the wife of someone rich. They are attracted to each other. It's one of those thriller types. For the life of me, I can't remember the actors or what decade it was in. In the end, the bad guys go after the detectives wife and son. It's making me crazy.
Quote from: Dori on July 26, 2015, 12:19:47 PM
I just watched an old movie, "As Good As It Gets", with Jack Nicholson. He has OCD and says what he thinks regarding peoples looks, etc. No PC in that movie. His neighbor is gay, and the things he says to him would never make it in Hollywood today.
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I'll look for it, though I probably saw it. But Hell, I'll bet I don't even remember seeing it till the very end. :blink:
Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2015, 01:09:28 PM
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I'll look for it, though I probably saw it. But Hell, I'll bet I don't even remember seeing it till the very end. :blink:
That's why I watch movies I've seen before. I never remember how they end. I sort of remember parts as they go along, but could never have told you much about it prior to that. Some movies I can watch over and over, like Gran Torino with Clint Eastwood.
Quote from: Dori on July 26, 2015, 01:18:55 PM
That's why I watch movies I've seen before. I never remember how they end. I sort of remember parts as they go along, but could never have told you much about it prior to that. Some movies I can watch over and over, like Gran Torino with Clint Eastwood.
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Yeah, I see it as a gift, forgetting Hollywood movies, that is. :biggrin:
But seriously, ever since my accident, movies fall in the short term memory matrix and are instantly deleted from making their way to long term memory.
That, or my data bank is full and won't accept any new informati.....see the squirell? :huh: