Quote from: jdzbrain on June 28, 2016, 10:42:35 AM
I know ALL...of that Solar.  In the last 8 years, we've had the greatest turnover of power from one party to the other than at any time in our history since the early 1800s.

HowEVER...that does not address the fact that Trump IS the nominee and WHY he is the nominee and why Bernie...the socialist...Sanders DAMN NEAR beat Hitlery.  There is an "anybody but the establishment" anger in this country on both sides that is WAY bigger than the anybody but Trump movement.  The primary turnout...don't mean SQUAT to the general election.  They may have credited Trump with driving the turnout, and in a way he may have, but a lot of it was people voting for anyone but Trump or anyone but the establishment.  That's evidenced by his wins by consistently low percentage of votes.

We're gonna end up with a criminal in the White house...AGAIN...and the demoRATs in control of at least one house of Congress...again if our base doesn't turn out.  Their base WILL turn out.  Acorn will show up on Tuesday morning with a bottle of gin or a wheelchair and SSI check and drive them to the poles and they WILL vote demoRAT.  What you are saying is EXACTLY the same kinds of things people were saying about Romney and we ended up with Obummer...again, when anyone should have beaten him. 

Brother, that horse is out of the barn.  Trump IS the nominee.  The time to do something about it would have been before 14 RINOs diluted the process so thin that Trump could win with 25-30% support.  It's too late to stuff that smoke back in the fire now.  All we can do is to make the best of a bad situation and HOPE this country survives.  Cause it is GONNA get ugly if Hitlery wins!

You make some valid points, especially about the field being diluted due to the large number of candidates for the GOP nomination. The anger of the electorate unfortunately also undermined the only conservative among the original the group, Cruz. Somehow Trump "fooled" enough conservatives to give him a plurality and conservatives were split by Rubio as well. Now, as you mention, we have a pending disaster on our hands for the next four years.

Quote from: supsalemgr on June 28, 2016, 12:25:05 PM
You make some valid points, especially about the field being diluted due to the large number of candidates for the GOP nomination. The anger of the electorate unfortunately also undermined the only conservative among the original the group, Cruz. Somehow Trump "fooled" enough conservatives to give him a plurality and conservatives were split by Rubio as well. Now, as you mention, we have a pending disaster on our hands for the next four years.

We have a disaster no matter who wins. Trump can do the most damage to the rep. party.  Hell we have not even had the convention yet and some of those who endorsed him are changing their mind.
www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-endorsements-republicans-change-mind-2016-5
His disapproval #'s are growing!!!! I do not think that has ever happened. He is not on a roll to the campaign, that pos is just rolling downhill.  I saw where he is leading in Texas by 8 points over hillery,....... in Texas! Hell my dog could beat hillery by more than 8 points in Texas!!! ( of course she is a cute border collie)

Quote from: s3779m on June 28, 2016, 01:16:46 PM
We have a disaster no matter who wins. Trump can do the most damage to the rep. party.  Hell we have not even had the convention yet and some of those who endorsed him are changing their mind.
www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-endorsements-republicans-change-mind-2016-5
His disapproval #'s are growing!!!! I do not think that has ever happened. He is not on a roll to the campaign, that pos is just rolling downhill.  I saw where he is leading in Texas by 8 points over hillery,....... in Texas! Hell my dog could beat hillery by more than 8 points in Texas!!! ( of course she is a cute border collie)

I could care less if he destroys the republican party. That might be the one good thing to come out of this. However, Having "Obama ll" for the next four years could be disastrous for our country.

Quote from: jdzbrain on June 28, 2016, 10:42:35 AM
I know ALL...of that Solar.  In the last 8 years, we've had the greatest turnover of power from one party to the other than at any time in our history since the early 1800s.

HowEVER...that does not address the fact that Trump IS the nominee and WHY he is the nominee and why Bernie...the socialist...Sanders DAMN NEAR beat Hitlery.  There is an "anybody but the establishment" anger in this country on both sides that is WAY bigger than the anybody but Trump movement.  The primary turnout...don't mean SQUAT to the general election.  They may have credited Trump with driving the turnout, and in a way he may have, but a lot of it was people voting for anyone but Trump or anyone but the establishment.  That's evidenced by his wins by consistently low percentage of votes.

We're gonna end up with a criminal in the White house...AGAIN...and the demoRATs in control of at least one house of Congress...again if our base doesn't turn out.  Their base WILL turn out.  Acorn will show up on Tuesday morning with a bottle of gin or a wheelchair and SSI check and drive them to the poles and they WILL vote demoRAT.  What you are saying is EXACTLY the same kinds of things people were saying about Romney and we ended up with Obummer...again, when anyone should have beaten him. 

Brother, that horse is out of the barn.  Trump IS the nominee.  The time to do something about it would have been before 14 RINOs diluted the process so thin that Trump could win with 25-30% support.  It's too late to stuff that smoke back in the fire now.  All we can do is to make the best of a bad situation and HOPE this country survives.  Cause it is GONNA get ugly if Hitlery wins!

You just made my case by comparing Trump to Mitten. Trump is far more despised than Mitten ever was, and yet the base refuse to support another RINO, yet here you are claiming we need to support a LIB?
Do you not see the failed logic you're supporting? Write in Cruz like the rest of the nation.
As I explained, Congress would fight a Clinton policy, they would though appease a Trump one that mirrors, if not worse than Clinton's.

A Clinton ticket is not the end, but if the base thinks the only option available is a Trump, they just might stay home, no one knows.
But I and many like me, refuse to support another lib on the gOP ticket.
This is not my first go around on the subject as you'll see at the link, but the question is, when will you say enough is enough of libs in the GOP?
http://newsblaze.com/thoughts/opinions/will-america-be-safe-with-bunch-of-rino-at-helm_23977/

Quote from: supsalemgr on June 28, 2016, 01:45:23 PM
I could care less if he destroys the republican party. That might be the one good thing to come out of this. However, Having "Obama ll" for the next four years could WILL be disastrous for our country.

There, fixed it.  ;~)

Quote from: Solar on June 28, 2016, 01:54:26 PM
You just made my case by comparing Trump to Mitten. Trump is far more despised than Mitten ever was, and yet the base refuse to support another RINO, yet here you are claiming we need to support a LIB?
Do you not see the failed logic you're supporting? Write in Cruz like the rest of the nation.
As I explained, Congress would fight a Clinton policy, they would though appease a Trump one that mirrors, if not worse than Clinton's.

A Clinton ticket is not the end, but if the base thinks the only option available is a Trump, they just might stay home, no one knows.
But I and many like me, refuse to support another lib on the gOP ticket.
This is not my first go around on the subject as you'll see at the link, but the question is, when will you say enough is enough of libs in the GOP?
http://newsblaze.com/thoughts/opinions/will-america-be-safe-with-bunch-of-rino-at-helm_23977/

And you just made my point Solar.  How's that...four more years of Obama worked out?  Have republicans opposed him?  Let's see, increase debt limit...FIVE TIMES...check.  Pass omnibus spending bill that increased president's discretionary spending over a trillion dollars...TWICE...check.  Repeal Obamacare...not so much.  Defund Obamacare when they HAD the chance...NOPE.  Defund planned parenthood or any of the other alphabet soup of agencies we ALL know got to go and they promised to do...nope.

Brother, they ain't opposing squat.  Definitely ain't opposing demoRATS.  They are going along to get along and when guys like Rand Paul or Ted Cuz stand up...they get pushed to the back of the line.  Best I can tell, they are more likely to oppose Trump than Hitlery cause they DAMN sure ain't opposed Obama on anything but ONE supreme court judge.  Period!

The ONLY hope this country has is to put the RINO party in a position where they are FORCED to negotiate with guys like Rand Paul, Ted Cuz and the rest of the conservative caucus in Congress to get anything done done over demRAT obstructionism or look like the do nothing party.  Otherwise...they'll just keep kicking the can down the road and blaming it on the other guys. 

Quote from: jdzbrain on June 28, 2016, 09:52:38 PM
And you just made my point Solar.  How's that...four more years of Obama worked out?  Have republicans opposed him?  Let's see, increase debt limit...FIVE TIMES...check.  Pass omnibus spending bill that increased president's discretionary spending over a trillion dollars...TWICE...check.  Repeal Obamacare...not so much.  Defund Obamacare when they HAD the chance...NOPE.  Defund planned parenthood or any of the other alphabet soup of agencies we ALL know got to go and they promised to do...nope.

Brother, they ain't opposing squat.  Definitely ain't opposing demoRATS.  They are going along to get along and when guys like Rand Paul or Ted Cuz stand up...they get pushed to the back of the line.  Best I can tell, they are more likely to oppose Trump than Hitlery cause they DAMN sure ain't opposed Obama on anything but ONE supreme court judge.  Period!

The ONLY hope this country has is to put the RINO party in a position where they are FORCED to negotiate with guys like Rand Paul, Ted Cuz and the rest of the conservative caucus in Congress to get anything done done over demRAT obstructionism or look like the do nothing party.  Otherwise...they'll just keep kicking the can down the road and blaming it on the other guys.

I see your point about the rino's but where do you see trump as being any different? two comments he has made that scare the crap out of me :
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-national-debt-strategy/
and http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-05/trump-says-if-economy-crashes-can-make-deal-will-renegotiate-debt
I understand on the debt issue he has backtracked (its hard to keep up with all that has been backtracked) but that anyone who is running for potus could make those comments so carelessly. Right now I am in the same situation as someone else who has posted, between the two candidates I really want to support the republican but I can not support trump and can not find any valid reason to other than he is not hillery. But imho i see very little difference between the two. One other issue where i can not trust trump i believe he is way too influenced by the limelight, i believe the media has been the cause for many of the back tracking and they will continue to  influence him, as they do the rinos and i guess the scotus.

sorry about the rambling, off today and slept in too long.

Quote from: jdzbrain on June 28, 2016, 09:52:38 PM
And you just made my point Solar.  How's that...four more years of Obama worked out?  Have republicans opposed him?  Let's see, increase debt limit...FIVE TIMES...check.  Pass omnibus spending bill that increased president's discretionary spending over a trillion dollars...TWICE...check.  Repeal Obamacare...not so much.  Defund Obamacare when they HAD the chance...NOPE.  Defund planned parenthood or any of the other alphabet soup of agencies we ALL know got to go and they promised to do...nope.

That's the point, they want to get along, and a Trump ticket gives them carte blanche, just like bush, never one veto, at least Hillary will veto some of their bull shit and out of spite, they'll return the favor in not giving her what she demands.

QuoteBrother, they ain't opposing squat.  Definitely ain't opposing demoRATS.  They are going along to get along and when guys like Rand Paul or Ted Cuz stand up...they get pushed to the back of the line.  Best I can tell, they are more likely to oppose Trump than Hitlery cause they DAMN sure ain't opposed Obama on anything but ONE supreme court judge.  Period!

Rand, seriously? The guy was McCONnels but buddy, he sold out to the Establishment, opposed Cruz at virtually ever turn, and wound up killing any chances of running for anything other than Senator.

QuoteThe ONLY hope this country has is to put the RINO party in a position where they are FORCED to negotiate with guys like Rand Paul, Ted Cuz and the rest of the conservative caucus in Congress to get anything done done over demRAT obstructionism or look like the do nothing party.  Otherwise...they'll just keep kicking the can down the road and blaming it on the other guys.

"Do Nothing" or gridlock is exactly what we're counting on.

Here's a response to this thread, give me one good reason to support the NY Lib.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/question-for-trump-supporters/

Quote from: s3779m on June 29, 2016, 03:09:48 AM
I see your point about the rino's but where do you see trump as being any different? two comments he has made that scare the crap out of me...

He ain't any different.  Or...maybe he his.  Nobody knows WHAT that snake oil salesman really is.  He'd scare the hell out of me too...EXCEPT for one thing.  He can't do 1/100th of what he claims he's gonna do.  He's running for president.  NOT dictator.  It's obvious by the crap that he says he's gonna do that Trump has never even read Article II of the US Constitution cause he doesn't have a CLUE what the actual powers of the Executive Branch are.  Obama didn't give us Obamacare.  Pelosi and Reid gave us Obamacare.  Obama just signed it.  If the president could have done it...Bill Clinton would have given us single payer Hillerycare back in 1992.

But here's the thing, Ted Cruz is GONE.  Rand Paul is GONE.  They're ALL gone.  Ted did the principled thing and left to INSURE that the GOP establishment did NOT get it's way with a contested convention.  He left to make sure that no matter what else happened...HE was not part of the reason that Hittlery ends up in the White House.  This Ron Paul, Ross Perot, Don Quixote tilting at windmills fanaticism by some folks grasping at straws is counter productive and just flat wrong headed.  It's giving aid and comfort to the enemy and ascribing a character to republicans that the DO NOT POSSESS. 

I can't STAND Trump.  I suspect he's a lying, two faced sumbich.  I can name about 20 people off the top of my head I'd rather see as president.  But that AIN'T gonna happen and I KNOW Hitlery is a lying, two faced sumbich.  I'm gonna follow Ted Cruz's example and do what's best for the future of this country!

Quote from: Solar on June 29, 2016, 01:01:20 PM
...Rand, seriously? The guy was McCONnels but buddy, he sold out to the Establishment, opposed Cruz at virtually ever turn, and wound up killing any chances of running for anything other than Senator....

Brother, you are lost as a brand new puppy in 20 acres of tall grass.  ;~)

Rand Paul ain't in ANYones pocket and the ONLY things he opposed Ted on were the things Ted pushed that violated the original intent of the Constitution.  Rand Paul is the most dedicated to the Constitution guy in the entire congress...House or Senate.  That's just flat wrong. 

Hell, the ONLY reason Rand Paul pulled out when he did was because he was splitting votes with Ted and when Ted began outperforming him, he wanted to give him a better chance of winning.  Ted and Rand are friends.  I don't know WHERE you got that crap.

Quote from: jdzbrain on June 29, 2016, 10:39:54 PM
Brother, you are lost as a brand new puppy in 20 acres of tall grass.  ;~)

Rand Paul ain't in ANYones pocket and the ONLY things he opposed Ted on were the things Ted pushed that violated the original intent of the Constitution.  Rand Paul is the most dedicated to the Constitution guy in the entire congress...House or Senate.  That's just flat wrong. 

Hell, the ONLY reason Rand Paul pulled out when he did was because he was splitting votes with Ted and when Ted began outperforming him, he wanted to give him a better chance of winning.  Ted and Rand are friends.  I don't know WHERE you got that crap.

Wow, either you willingly ignore reality, or simply didn't pay attention when Rand backed McCONnel for reelection and stabbed TEA in the back.
Rand stabbed the base in the back when he backed away from killing Commiecare, and the list goes on and on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zHsyxidZAE

Quote from: Solar on June 30, 2016, 05:05:02 AM
Wow, either you willingly ignore reality, or simply didn't pay attention when Rand backed McCONnel for reelection and stabbed TEA in the back.
Rand stabbed the base in the back when he backed away from killing Commiecare, and the list goes on and on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zHsyxidZAE

Oh...my...God.  You accuse everybody and their bird dog that expresses a dissenting opinion of being in the tank for the GOP and then post a freakin' opinion rant by a guy they call "Campaign Carl" cause he is the ultimate Washington butt licker as some mythical proof of Rand Paul's transgressions.  WHAT???

Solar...I'm stepping OFF this mary-go-round before I suffer irreparable contact brain trauma.  I'm too old to suffer nonsense!!!

Quote from: jdzbrain on July 02, 2016, 09:07:47 PM
Oh...my...God.  You accuse everybody and their bird dog that expresses a dissenting opinion of being in the tank for the GOP and then post a freakin' opinion rant by a guy they call "Campaign Carl" cause he is the ultimate Washington butt licker as some mythical proof of Rand Paul's transgressions.  WHAT???

Solar...I'm stepping OFF this mary-go-round before I suffer irreparable contact brain trauma.  I'm too old to suffer nonsense!!!

Are you trying to say Rand didn't back McCONnel, Burn TEA an backstab Lee and Cruz?
This is not about opinion, this is about the fact that Rand sold out to the Establishment and TEA kicked his slimy ass to the curb!
I can't blame you for not wanting to support your failed position, so step off, but watchout, the Establishment whores running the merry go round are also running the Trump Trainwreck you so willingly and blindly support.