Thank God for some logical minds on Capitol Hill. Joe Manchin today (paraphrasing) stated "I will not support any plan that furthers the entitlement mentality in America".

Manchin reiterated solid old fashioned American principles such as "needs-based" government support for "people in need". Manchin did state that he would support a top line of 1.5 Trillion but the measure was promptly rejected by Pelosi and the puppet masters.

The bottom line is that 2,000,000 illegals will not be living off of WE THE PEOPLE. The bill is dead.

America is holding on by a thread but today is a HUGE win for AMERICA and We The People!

Quote from: esbad63 on September 30, 2021, 12:16:49 PMThank God for some logical minds on Capitol Hill. Joe Manchin today (paraphrasing) stated "I will not support any plan that furthers the entitlement mentality in America".

Manchin reiterated solid old fashioned American principles such as "needs-based" government support for "people in need". Manchin did state that he would support a top line of 1.5 Trillion but the measure was promptly rejected by Pelosi and the puppet masters.

The bottom line is that 2,000,000 illegals will not be living off of WE THE PEOPLE. The bill is dead.

America is holding on by a thread but today is a HUGE win for AMERICA and We The People!

So far, so good. However, depending on any democrat is very perilous. This situation just highlights how important the 2022 midterms are.

Kiersten Senema is supporting Manchin in all of this.
She's the only Dim that clapped for Trump at his SOTU address, Fuglosi was pissed.

The survival of America just won the first leg of a multi leg parlay. This bill is dead. Too many people see what is really happening now. That said, we need to keep pushing on all election audits. Get all 6 swing states done while doing everything legally possible to remove the Dominion machines next November. That is the critical second leg. In between all of that, we have to make sure that we all survive Biden's open borders from destroying America.

We have a lot to do, but it must be done.

Quote from: esbad63 on September 30, 2021, 11:52:30 PMThe survival of America just won the first leg of a multi leg parlay. This bill is dead. Too many people see what is really happening now. That said, we need to keep pushing on all election audits. Get all 6 swing states done while doing everything legally possible to remove the Dominion machines next November. That is the critical second leg. In between all of that, we have to make sure that we all survive Biden's open borders from destroying America.

We have a lot to do, but it must be done.

True, and the commies were counting on apathy, a people comfortable in their lives, enough so, they wouldn't align and fight back.
They thought wrong!

Its  not dead. Democrats will pretend to lower the  price tag a  bit and  it will pass with all the  new  social engineering  included, as well as all the tax  increases. Manchin will claim he won and  of  course the  new social programs will balloon in cost and  be  permanent.

Quote from: ldub23 on October 04, 2021, 01:42:23 PMIts  not dead. Democrats will pretend to lower the  price tag a  bit and  it will pass with all the  new  social engineering  included, as well as all the tax  increases. Manchin will claim he won and  of  course the  new social programs will balloon in cost and  be  permanent.

Yep, with the help of the GOP. I've no doubt many will "Reach across the aisle while bending over".

Quote from: Solar on October 04, 2021, 01:58:51 PMYep, with the help of the GOP. I've no doubt many will "Reach across the aisle while bending over".

I doubt they will help with the second  bill that  will be advertised as  2 trillion when it will really  be  6 trillion. Sadly, they already  helped with the  first  "bipartisan" bill and that  cant  have a re-vote  in the senate. Manchin isnt a  moderate, he  is a radical leftist who needs to be re-elected  in a  conservative state, so he will sign onto the  compromise which will soar in cost and taxes.

If this bill passes, no matter the amount, America is screwed.

We all need to call our reps and demand it not be passed.

Quote from: esbad63 on October 04, 2021, 06:55:50 PMIf this bill passes, no matter the amount, America is screwed.

We all need to call our reps and demand it not be passed.

I may as well be calling Stalin in my state.

The abuse in the bathrooms and on kayaks shown towards Sinema and Manchin is not helping the Dems. Manchin has stated his max line of 1.5T but I find it very interesting that Sinema isn't saying a single word about it.

Manchin just might be the nail but Sinema just might be the hammer. Let's hope her silence turns out to be golden.

Quote from: ldub23 on October 04, 2021, 02:11:51 PMI doubt they will help with the second  bill that  will be advertised as  2 trillion when it will really  be  6 trillion. Sadly, they already  helped with the  first  "bipartisan" bill and that  cant  have a re-vote  in the senate.

They're RINO Fabians. What makes you think they won't screw over the country?

QuoteManchin isnt a  moderate, he  is a radical leftist who needs to be re-elected  in a  conservative state, so he will sign onto the  compromise which will soar in cost and taxes.

I never said he was, but why aren't the RINO following the same rule as he is then?

Democrat Jared Golden of Maine spoke out against the Socialist spending bill this evening. Isn't it just a matter of time before more rush to support him, Manchin and Sinema? Anyone without bias can see what's going on in our corrupt government. Tell me why the younger dems that haven't been corrupted will not join them?

Quote from: esbad63 on October 07, 2021, 06:12:19 PMDemocrat Jared Golden of Maine spoke out against the Socialist spending bill this evening. Isn't it just a matter of time before more rush to support him, Manchin and Sinema? Anyone without bias can see what's going on in our corrupt government. Tell me why the younger dems that haven't been corrupted will not join them?

I dont  doubt dems will use tricks to lower the  cost while  leaving all the  new  entitlements  in place to soar  in cost.

Sinema isn't saying a word about any of it. Hopefully she says no all the way to mid-terms.