Quote from: RV on July 20, 2021, 02:34:14 PMAh so, in your opinion it makes no difference what Jesus actually said, what He actually meant nor what He was actually thinking, it only matters what you THINK it "implies" or means...

Well, we all make assumptions about what Jesus said, what he meant and if what is attributes to him was something he actually said.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 03:39:31 PMWell, we all make assumptions about what Jesus said, what he meant and if what is attributes to him was something he actually said.

No, not "all", just some.

Quote from: RV on July 20, 2021, 07:12:01 PMNo, not "all", just some.

There isn't a book written by Jesus, so everything Jesus "said" is based on what others said he said.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 01:39:25 PMThat's the $20,000 question.  What Jesus said seemed to imply that the end was coming very soon.

Take Up Your Cross
(Mark 8:34–38; Luke 9:23–27)

24 Then Jesus told His disciples, "If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. 25 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man will come in His Father's glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.

28 Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Goodness sakes, you are a child when it comes to the bible (as with most things)

1) 1000 years are like a day to God.

2)When he says 'the son of man coming in his kingdom' he is talking about the church. Look at how the church has grown and continued to grow and to almost take over the world by the modern day. It will continue to grow. Look at the prophecy of daniel. God church is the bolder in that which grows into a mountain.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 03:39:31 PMWell, we all make assumptions about what Jesus said, what he meant and if what is attributes to him was something he actually said.

No thats what libs do. Honest people make logical deductions.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 09:25:23 PMThere isn't a book written by Jesus, so everything Jesus "said" is based on what others said he said.

Yes there is. The entire Bible was written by God, ie Jesus, thru his prophets writing exactly what he wanted written down. Thats why the bible is 100% accurate.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 20, 2021, 09:25:23 PMThere isn't a book written by Jesus, so everything Jesus "said" is based on what others said he said.

So, I guess you ignore or discredit certain parts of the Bible then. Things like "ye must be born again", "That where I Am ye will be with me also..." and "I am the way, truth and life, no man comes to the Father but, through me". You probably also ignore the passages which state that "ALL" scripture is "God breathed" then as well...

Quote from: T Hunt on July 21, 2021, 12:36:33 AMGoodness sakes, you are a child when it comes to the bible (as with most things)

1) 1000 years are like a day to God.

2)When he says 'the son of man coming in his kingdom' he is talking about the church. Look at how the church has grown and continued to grow and to almost take over the world by the modern day. It will continue to grow. Look at the prophecy of daniel. God church is the bolder in that which grows into a mountain.

"When he says 'the son of man coming in his kingdom' he is talking about the church."

That's one interpretation/explanation.  The other one is that Jesus, apocalyptic believer that he was, believed that the end times were coming very soon - before, as he said, all of his disciples died.  Jews didn't believe that you went to heaven when you died, so the "Kingdom of God" was literally a kingdom on earth and when God return, the earth would be returned to how it was before Adam ate the apple.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 21, 2021, 07:52:12 AM"When he says 'the son of man coming in his kingdom' he is talking about the church."

That's one interpretation/explanation.  The other one is that Jesus, apocalyptic believer that he was, believed that the end times were coming very soon - before, as he said, all of his disciples died.  Jews didn't believe that you went to heaven when you died, so the "Kingdom of God" was literally a kingdom on earth and when God return, the earth would be returned to how it was before Adam ate the apple.

So, you managed to derail another thread. The topic is about God and the Church, period!
This is about how far man has drifted from his spiritual side, not religion!

Quote from: Solar on July 21, 2021, 09:24:36 AMSo, you managed to derail another thread. The topic is about God and the Church, period!
This is about how far man has drifted from his spiritual side, not religion!

Nope.  RV and T Hunt moved the discussion to end times/rapture.  I just followed up on their topic.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 21, 2021, 11:16:37 AMNope.  RV and T Hunt moved the discussion to end times/rapture.  I just followed up on their topic.

I said absolutely nothing about "end times" whatsoever. YOU made the statement that God never wrote the Bible, I was merely refuting your ridiculous and unfounded claim.

Quote from: RV on July 21, 2021, 11:53:44 AMI said absolutely nothing about "end times" whatsoever. YOU made the statement that God never wrote the Bible, I was merely refuting your ridiculous and unfounded claim.

I was referencing the exchange between you and t hunt on page one. It was t hunts post that moved the discussion to end times. I just replied to what he brought up.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 21, 2021, 11:16:37 AMNope.  RV and T Hunt moved the discussion to end times/rapture.  I just followed up on their topic.

NO Dumb Ass! It was you that inserted "Christians". This is about God and Church, the way it used to be.
I never said a thing about religion, this is a spiritual conversation about God!

Quote from: Solar on July 21, 2021, 03:49:40 PMNO Dumb Ass! It was you that inserted "Christians". This is about God and Church, the way it used to be.
I never said a thing about religion, this is a spiritual conversation about God!

Again,  T Hunt brought the topic of end times into the conversation. I only responded to what was brought up.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 21, 2021, 04:16:55 PMAgain,  T Hunt brought the topic of end times into the conversation. I only responded to what was brought up.

So what? Like I said, this is about God and Church, and not any one particular religion.
You were the one who inserted Christianity, completely derailing the purpose of the thread!

I'm pretty sure you're agnostic at best, so I suggest you stay the fuck out of this forum and eave it to people of faith!