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History Books

Started by midcan5, February 07, 2019, 11:32:31 PM

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Quote from: Possum on June 26, 2020, 09:49:44 PM
The necessary part came about because the people did not trust the government to always protect those God given rights. Just because God gave man those rights does not mean government can not take them away. Just look at history. The U.S. when founded knew we had to be a constitutional republic in order to survive and keep those rights, which is also why many of us can not stand it when someone calls us a democracy.

And notice how many democrats refer to our country as a democracy. That is their wet dream.
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Quote from: supsalemgr on June 27, 2020, 04:57:05 AM
And notice how many democrats refer to our country as a democracy. That is their wet dream.
:thumbup:  democracy = mob rule

midcan5

If democracy equals 'mob rule' and republicanism 'oligarchy', which do we prefer?  I think we can see the problem in each. The founders divided powers so as to counter oligarchy and they added democratic processes to maintain order and fairness. Words are only words, it is what comes from the actions of people and their government that matter.

This is a fascinating read, it centers us, the US that is.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15897043-that-s-not-what-they-meant



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Solar

Quote from: midcan5 on July 05, 2020, 08:39:42 PM
If democracy equals 'mob rule' and republicanism 'oligarchy', which do we prefer?  I think we can see the problem in each. The founders divided powers so as to counter oligarchy and they added democratic processes to maintain order and fairness. Words are only words, it is what comes from the actions of people and their government that matter.

This is a fascinating read, it centers us, the US that is.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15897043-that-s-not-what-they-meant
Wow, nothing like opening with an ignorant lie! We are not an Oligarchy, we are a Republic, you idiot troll!
A Republic by design, sets constraints on govt, while a democracy enhances the power of the Federal govt as a weapon for the mob.

You need to read some actual history books and leave the opinion pieces to the trash heap of history!
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Tory Potter

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 10:35:01 PM
Wow, nothing like opening with an ignorant lie! We are not an Oligarchy, we are a Republic, you idiot troll!
A Republic by design, sets constraints on govt, while a democracy enhances the power of the Federal govt as a weapon for the mob.

You need to read some actual history books and leave the opinion pieces to the trash heap of history!
Most republics in the world have a strong, if not overbearing central government. Even the US federal government has grown in power. Most republics are decidedly lacking in input from the population they rule. Every marxist government is a republic as are many theocracies.
The United States is unusual in the degree of citizen participation in government. I am not clear that the success of the US is due to its being a republic or is it due to a deeper cultural condition.
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Possum

Quote from: Tory Potter on July 06, 2020, 09:06:56 AM
Most republics in the world have a strong, if not overbearing central government. Even the US federal government has grown in power. Most republics are decidedly lacking in input from the population they rule. Every marxist government is a republic as are many theocracies.
The United States is unusual in the degree of citizen participation in government. I am not clear that the success of the US is due to its being a republic or is it due to a deeper cultural condition.
When the states started accepting money from the federal government the republic started to decline and the feds grew. Just look at our public schools. Why would the federal government set the agenda instead off the states? Why would the states let them? All has to do with federal money, states sold out.

Solar

Quote from: Tory Potter on July 06, 2020, 09:06:56 AM
Most republics in the world have a strong, if not overbearing central government. Even the US federal government has grown in power. Most republics are decidedly lacking in input from the population they rule. Every marxist government is a republic as are many theocracies.
The United States is unusual in the degree of citizen participation in government. I am not clear that the success of the US is due to its being a republic or is it due to a deeper cultural condition.
Merely  calling oneself a Republic, means absolutely nothing if absent a Bill of Rights. This is where you fail to grasp why the US is by far the strongest Nation in the history of man.
It has to do with the simple fact, our Founders understood why govts fail, the power becomes established to serve the chosen few.

To understand our system, you need to read how we kept our govt in check and the States reserved certain Rights, and the people have retained Gods Unalienable Rights Govt can't interfere with.
Our Rights do not come from Govt, they come from God. Govt is merely the mechanism created to protect said Rights.
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Tory Potter

Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2020, 09:24:23 AM
This is where you fail to grasp why the US is by far the strongest Nation in the history of man.

The US is the strongest nation in the world because of the contributions of a German, Einstein, some Hungarians, Teller, Szilard, and Wigner, and Italian, Fermi, and a whole lot of American and Canadian phycists who created the atomic bomb. The US has the ability to kill everyone on earth.
God does not care if a person is an American, Ethiopian, Chinese or Thai. God certainly doesn't care about politics. God is only interested if a person is good or evil.
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Solar

Quote from: Tory Potter on July 06, 2020, 09:49:44 AM
The US is the strongest nation in the world because of the contributions of a German, Einstein, some Hungarians, Teller, Szilard, and Wigner, and Italian, Fermi, and a whole lot of American and Canadian phycists who created the atomic bomb. The US has the ability to kill everyone on earth.
God does not care if a person is an American, Ethiopian, Chinese or Thai. God certainly doesn't care about politics. God is only interested if a person is good or evil.
What do think made America? We are the world, we have always taken in the best and brightest minds who seek of Freedom and Liberty. It was our foundation of Freedom and Liberty that attracts people from around the globe, the ability to achieve ones greatest dreams.

It is the absence of govt that allows our capitalist system to prosper. Even the lowliest man can achieve great things here.

Again, do you understand why Our Republic is second to none? The key is Gods Law, the Law of Nature, not an oppressive govt, the ones the left want to create as they chip away at our Rights.
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Tory Potter

Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2020, 10:04:43 AM
What do think made America? We are the world, we have always taken in the best and brightest minds who seek of Freedom and Liberty. It was our foundation of Freedom and Liberty that attracts people from around the globe, the ability to achieve ones greatest dreams.

It is the absence of govt that allows our capitalist system to prosper. Even the lowliest man can achieve great things here.

Again, do you understand why Our Republic is second to none? The key is Gods Law, the Law of Nature, not an oppressive govt, the ones the left want to create as they chip away at our Rights.
That's just what I said. It is not that the US is a Republic. It is because it is the US. It is ingrained in the American culture.
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Solar

Quote from: Tory Potter on July 06, 2020, 10:17:08 AM
That's just what I said. It is not that the US is a Republic. It is because it is the US. It is ingrained in the American culture.
Oh Jeez,! Our culture is based on our Republic! :rolleyes:
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Quote from: Tory Potter on July 06, 2020, 09:49:44 AM
The US is the strongest nation in the world because of the contributions of a German, Einstein, some Hungarians, Teller, Szilard, and Wigner, and Italian, Fermi, and a whole lot of American and Canadian phycists who created the atomic bomb. The US has the ability to kill everyone on earth.
God does not care if a person is an American, Ethiopian, Chinese or Thai. God certainly doesn't care about politics. God is only interested if a person is good or evil.

Yet they all pray to their God to live here.

Calypso Jones

Quote from: Tory Potter on July 06, 2020, 09:49:44 AM
The US is the strongest nation in the world because of the contributions of a German, Einstein, some Hungarians, Teller, Szilard, and Wigner, and Italian, Fermi, and a whole lot of American and Canadian phycists who created the atomic bomb. The US has the ability to kill everyone on earth.
God does not care if a person is an American, Ethiopian, Chinese or Thai. God certainly doesn't care about politics. God is only interested if a person is good or evil.

We're the strongest because God has blessed us because our founders respected and honored The One True God.   And so did the majority of our people.   We were settled by people seeking religious freedom. 

All the rest springs from that.
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Solar

Quote from: taxed on July 06, 2020, 11:15:05 AM
Yet they all pray to their God to live here.
And many have to do it in hiding.
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midcan5

Hi all,  I thought I mentioned this history book but don't see the post.  It is a deep and complex look into our history concerning expansion and war with Mexico, as well as America's treatment of native Americans. It will be a hard read for many. History isn't always rosy.

'The End of the Myth: From the Frontier to the Border Wall in the Mind of America'  Greg Grandin

But that said this pandemic is causing my wife and I to be wanderers of sorts. Seeing grandkids at a distance etc starts to get old. Now we lose ourselves on back roads. So enough TV too, back to re-read a few favorite novels.  Any Cormac McCarthy fans out there?  We Irish - partly Irish - love words and he is amazing. So I thought time to reread Blood Meridian.  Be safe out there. 


"I can normally tell how intelligent a man is by how stupid he thinks I am."  Cormac McCarthy, All the Pretty Horses

"You think when you wake up in the mornin yesterday don't count. But yesterday is all that does count. What else is there? Your life is made out of the days it's made out of. Nothin else." Cormac McCarthy, No Country for Old Men

"People were always getting ready for tomorrow. I didn't believe in that. Tomorrow wasn't getting ready for them. It didn't even know they were there." Cormac McCarthy, The Road
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