Quote from: midcan5 on March 26, 2021, 02:27:02 PM
If you guys have had the virus with no serious side effects or long term issues that's great. One of my brothers and his son got it early too from his ex-wife's family. Don't laugh. My brother has been fine, his son has had some longer term issues so be careful. I have to check whether my nephew got or will get the vaccine. See this link.

'Some long-haul covid-19 patients say their symptoms are subsiding after getting vaccines'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/long-haul-covid-vaccine/2021/03/16/6effcb28-859e-11eb-82bc-e58213caa38e_story.html

As for genetic manipulation I agree it is some scary stuff. We grew up without all these vaccines and overall were healthy. One of our granddaughters was premature, we were amazed all the shots she got the first years. But she is a bright teenager today so all went well. See this piece too.

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/12/yes-some-covid-vaccines-use-genetic-engineering-get-over-it/

See, this is your biggest problem, you always seek self confirmation, you never search out the alternative truth, you only want to hear what supports for initial belief.

It's not a damned vaccine, it is an experimental process in genetics manipulation that never went to trial. You, my friend, are the Guinea pig, you are the lab rat!
I'm willing to bet you haven't even looked to see what adverse effects exist, which people should avoid the poke, have you?

Simple place to start would be, are you pregnant, do you have heart issues, a genetic propensity for say, arthritis or thyroid disease in your make up?
The list is long, these are what are referred to as "Underlying" conditions, perfectly healthy people die because they didn't do their research first.

When all your research consists of positive results, this is known as opinion bias. Don't deny it, I see it in your every post, you only want to seek out sites that support your own biases, yes, 99% of your posts are littered with pure ignorance.

You really need to stop and check yourself before it's too late!

Quote from: Solar on March 27, 2021, 06:39:49 AM
See, this is your biggest problem, you always seek self confirmation, you never search out the alternative truth, you only want to hear what supports for initial belief.

It's not a damned vaccine, it is an experimental process in genetics manipulation that never went to trial. You, my friend, are the Guinea pig, you are the lab rat!
I'm willing to bet you haven't even looked to see what adverse effects exist, which people should avoid the poke, have you?

Simple place to start would be, are you pregnant, do you have heart issues, a genetic propensity for say, arthritis or thyroid disease in your make up?
The list is long, these are what are referred to as "Underlying" conditions, perfectly healthy people die because they didn't do their research first.

When all your research consists of positive results, this is known as opinion bias. Don't deny it, I see it in your every post, you only want to seek out sites that support your own biases, yes, 99% of your posts are littered with pure ignorance.

You really need to stop and check yourself before it's too late!

This was off one of the sites I am on.  Toy

Quote from: Solars Toy on March 27, 2021, 06:41:46 AM


This was off one of the sites I am on.  Toy

Perfect example of information not making it to the general public.

Quote from: Solars Toy on March 27, 2021, 06:41:46 AM


This was off one of the sites I am on.  Toy

But not found in your New Papers, TV News, Radio or Doctors Office.

"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint."  Mark Twain

Solar, I do my homework and if you can find a source that supports your position, please share it. But below is from a reputable hospital who care that their info is correct as they fear being sued etc. How distrust of science has grown so in America mystifies me. Retraction watch below is an interesting site.

'Is the COVID-19 Vaccine Safe?'

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe

Below are articles on fake science for the interested.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxevj5/the-coronavirus-truthers-dont-believe-in-public-health

https://retractionwatch.com/2020/05/06/who-is-judy-mikovits/

And other concerning data:

'A handful of viruses have been associated with long-term, debilitating symptoms in a subset of those who become infected. Early signs hint that SARS-CoV-2 may do the same.'

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/could-covid-19-trigger-chronic-disease-in-some-people-67749

Quote from: midcan5 on March 28, 2021, 06:41:32 AM
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint."  Mark Twain

Solar, I do my homework and if you can find a source that supports your position, please share it. But below is from a reputable hospital who care that their info is correct as they fear being sued etc. How distrust of science has grown so in America mystifies me. Retraction watch below is an interesting site.

'Is the COVID-19 Vaccine Safe?'

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe

Below are articles on fake science for the interested.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxevj5/the-coronavirus-truthers-dont-believe-in-public-health

https://retractionwatch.com/2020/05/06/who-is-judy-mikovits/

And other concerning data:

'A handful of viruses have been associated with long-term, debilitating symptoms in a subset of those who become infected. Early signs hint that SARS-CoV-2 may do the same.'

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/could-covid-19-trigger-chronic-disease-in-some-people-67749

This i s exactly what I was talking about. You only want positive confirmation of your beliefs, so you ignore the truth because it doesn't "Feel" the way you want it to.
Ask why there have been an inordinate amount of deaths caused by the shot, and why you have to search to find it. Your media isn't going to tell you, the left is rolling in the bucks for every Guinea pig the poke.

I am actually shocked you went into this so blind, took the advice of family and ignored the true stats.
Go ahead, humor me, do a search for "Another health professional dies from the vaccine" and don't use google, they are in on this BS as well.

Quote from: Solar on March 28, 2021, 07:54:21 AM
This i s exactly what I was talking about. You only want positive confirmation of your beliefs, so you ignore the truth because it doesn't "Feel" the way you want it to.
Ask why there have been an inordinate amount of deaths caused by the shot, and why you have to search to find it. Your media isn't going to tell you, the left is rolling in the bucks for every Guinea pig the poke.

I am actually shocked you went into this so blind, took the advice of family and ignored the true stats.
Go ahead, humor me, do a search for "Another health professional dies from the vaccine" and don't use google, they are in on this BS as well.

What you're not understanding is that would require some thought and thinking is something some are simply relutant to try or else they're simply not equipped.

Quote from: dickfoster on March 28, 2021, 08:01:28 AM
What you're not understanding is that would require some thought and thinking is something some are simply relutant to try or else they're simply not equipped.

He has a horrible case of confirmation bias, everything he posts is pure leftist bull shit, and when called on it, doubles down on stupid.

You and I have lived long enough to know everything at face value, is in essence, a lie, (why women wear makeup), but these kids have yet to acquire that level of knowledge.

Quote from: Solar on March 28, 2021, 08:08:32 AM
He has a horrible case of confirmation bias, everything he posts is pure leftist bull shit, and when called on it, doubles down on stupid.

You and I have lived long enough to know everything at face value, is in essence, a lie, (why women wear makeup), but these kids have yet to acquire that level of knowledge.

The truly sad part is they are not likly to ever get there. To go anywhere you first have to want to go and today's dummys are apparently content to remain stupid for their entire worthless lives.

Quote from: dickfoster on March 28, 2021, 08:21:49 AM
The truly sad part is they are not likly to ever get there. To go anywhere you first have to want to go and today's dummys are apparently content to remain stupid for their entire worthless lives.

Sadly true! Until it hits them personally, they'll continue the path of obliviousness.

Quote from: midcan5 on March 28, 2021, 06:41:32 AM
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint."  Mark Twain

Solar, I do my homework and if you can find a source that supports your position, please share it. But below is from a reputable hospital who care that their info is correct as they fear being sued etc. How distrust of science has grown so in America mystifies me. Retraction watch below is an interesting site.

'Is the COVID-19 Vaccine Safe?'

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe

Below are articles on fake science for the interested.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxevj5/the-coronavirus-truthers-dont-believe-in-public-health

https://retractionwatch.com/2020/05/06/who-is-judy-mikovits/

And other concerning data:

'A handful of viruses have been associated with long-term, debilitating symptoms in a subset of those who become infected. Early signs hint that SARS-CoV-2 may do the same.'

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/could-covid-19-trigger-chronic-disease-in-some-people-67749

Quote from: midcan5 on March 28, 2021, 06:41:32 AM
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint."  Mark Twain

Solar, I do my homework and if you can find a source that supports your position, please share it. But below is from a reputable hospital who care that their info is correct as they fear being sued etc. How distrust of science has grown so in America mystifies me. Retraction watch below is an interesting site.

'Is the COVID-19 Vaccine Safe?'

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe

Below are articles on fake science for the interested.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxevj5/the-coronavirus-truthers-dont-believe-in-public-health

https://retractionwatch.com/2020/05/06/who-is-judy-mikovits/

And other concerning data:

'A handful of viruses have been associated with long-term, debilitating symptoms in a subset of those who become infected. Early signs hint that SARS-CoV-2 may do the same.'

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/could-covid-19-trigger-chronic-disease-in-some-people-67749

One More For Ya, Bill Gates short vid. Listen closely to what he wants to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZVwIFDt99s&t=75s

The proof my friends is in the pudding. Our second vaccine is this week and according to many the second has more negatives for a few days. We'll put up with that to be safe and so America can return to normal. Many friends and family have already had both shots, one brother has had the J&J single shot. Science isn't always right but it is a better guide than online conspiracy and fake news as the video above shows. Hopefully you all stay safe.

"In short, the FunVax rumor originated largely with a filmmaker who sought to create a documentary of the same name about the "FunVax conspiracy." The only evidence supporting the rumor is a YouTube video of questionable veracity and an unsourced document that purportedly describes the project. The entire concept of FunVax (which was supposedly already secretly developed, produced, and tested on unwitting Americans) hinged on a "God gene" theory that has yet to pass peer review or yield any known applications. Furthermore, this unproven gene theory supposedly inspired a wide-scale vaccination program involving technologies heretofore unseen in all other areas of working medical science. None of these related technologies (including vastly simplified and effective dispensation of vaccines) has ever been applied or even piloted in any areas of science or medicine before, and are so covert they are virtually unknown in documented pharmaceutical technology. Taken alone, these objections would cast the rumor into the territory of science fiction; all together, it's pretty clear the claim is impossible on many levels."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/funvax/

Other sources to confirm:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-gates-fundamentalists-penta/false-claim-video-shows-bill-gates-presenting-vaccine-for-religious-fundamentalists-to-pentagon-idUSKBN22P35M

https://www.vice.com/en/article/4aydjg/somehow-this-wild-hoax-bill-gates-anti-vaxx-video-doesnt-violate-youtubes-policies

https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-bill-gates-cia-briefing-factcheck-5111218-May2020/

Quote from: midcan5 on March 29, 2021, 04:44:49 AM
The proof my friends is in the pudding. Our second vaccine is this week and according to many the second has more negatives for a few days. We'll put up with that to be safe and so America can return to normal. Many friends and family have already had both shots, one brother has had the J&J single shot. Science isn't always right but it is a better guide than online conspiracy and fake news as the video above shows. Hopefully you all stay safe.

"In short, the FunVax rumor originated largely with a filmmaker who sought to create a documentary of the same name about the "FunVax conspiracy." The only evidence supporting the rumor is a YouTube video of questionable veracity and an unsourced document that purportedly describes the project. The entire concept of FunVax (which was supposedly already secretly developed, produced, and tested on unwitting Americans) hinged on a "God gene" theory that has yet to pass peer review or yield any known applications. Furthermore, this unproven gene theory supposedly inspired a wide-scale vaccination program involving technologies heretofore unseen in all other areas of working medical science. None of these related technologies (including vastly simplified and effective dispensation of vaccines) has ever been applied or even piloted in any areas of science or medicine before, and are so covert they are virtually unknown in documented pharmaceutical technology. Taken alone, these objections would cast the rumor into the territory of science fiction; all together, it's pretty clear the claim is impossible on many levels."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/funvax/

Other sources to confirm:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-gates-fundamentalists-penta/false-claim-video-shows-bill-gates-presenting-vaccine-for-religious-fundamentalists-to-pentagon-idUSKBN22P35M

https://www.vice.com/en/article/4aydjg/somehow-this-wild-hoax-bill-gates-anti-vaxx-video-doesnt-violate-youtubes-policies

https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-bill-gates-cia-briefing-factcheck-5111218-May2020/

Those are Bill Gates own words, are you saying he lied? Are you saying the "God Gene" wasn't their target?
You do realize Snoops only discredits the term "Funvax" not the article or video, They even claimed that because no one could prove the source, it "Could" be fake.

QuoteOn the site itself, the poster of the document admitted the video and the document were possibly faked and no evidence corroborating their authenticity was known:

That's it, no actual proof it was faked, only the fact that some film maker coined the term. That my lib friend, is not reporting, that is spin!
https://web.archive.org/web/20150315093243/http://www.wanttoknow.info/health/funvax_fundamentalist_vaccine

Granted, it may not be Gates, the video speaks for itself and how our govt cannot be trusted for something as simple as a Real Vaccine, of which this one is not.
Oh, and Snoops is not considered a reputable, anything!

Quote from: Possum on March 02, 2021, 03:42:51 AM
I think I'll watch how it does for the next 5 to 10 years and then make a decision. Maybe 15 or 20.

LOL Possum, don't be hasty, maybe 25-30 is better. LOL