Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 29, 2015, 05:54:40 AM
One of the best ways to reduce spending is reduce the govt, no more Hot tubbing Las Vegas Junkets for GS 15's and no more $500 hammers bought by GSA.

Combing agencies is the best way to start. I'd put the EPA in with the Dept of energy and make them both figure out a way to get private energy production on a mass and efficient scale, thus reducing the budget of both agencies. Then I'd start in on their resources and start taking away their vehicles and give them bikes or skateboards, no more drones, no more guns and ammo, no more playing cowboys or cops and robbers, no more enforcement of your own regulations and stand down from all enforcement until some of these restrictive destructive regs are stricken from the books.

Back off the regs and lets get the coal, oil, natural gas industries up and running and create some jobs.

I'd auction just about everything they have to the public and pay off the national debt.

Off course I wouldn't stop with these two agencies but DEFUND AS MANY AS I COULD AND AUCTION OFF THEIR RESOURCES (iNCLUDING BUILDINGS) AS WEll. GOVT HIRING FREEZE!!!!!!!!

I personally favor a flat tax like ten percent, make some new start up businesses (especially in the energy field) tax exempt for three years. And watch the Corps return from overseas and watch the jobs take off. 

MORE JOBS....MORE TAX REVENUE, Less regulation and Govt Poobahs to enforce them the more revenue in the kitty, maybe start paying down the national debt.

Now the only people I've heard say ANYTHING like this and support a flat tax is TED CRUZ and Perhaps Rand Paul.

Of course the rino and ht eleftists are gonna fight it tooth and nail...thats why you need somebody with string leadership skills and the proper moral conceince to back it up.

Donald Trump....who functions more as a dictator within his organizations has neither, for that matter none of the other R candidates are any better.

You describe the Constitution Party's tax policy except for the fair tax.  The Federal government should not tax it's citizens that is infringing on states rights.   

Of the many problems with the fair tax the worst is that the Fair Tax continues and expands the welfare state by establishing a "Family Consumption Allowance" (FCA) provided to every registered household, regardless of income, which, if implemented, would constitute the single largest entitlement program in American history.
 

Quote from: Amred on September 29, 2015, 08:01:22 AM
You describe the Constitution Party's tax policy except for the fair tax.  The Federal government should not tax it's citizens that is infringing on states rights.   

Of the many problems with the fair tax the worst is that the Fair Tax continues and expands the welfare state by establishing a "Family Consumption Allowance" (FCA) provided to every registered household, regardless of income, which, if implemented, would constitute the single largest entitlement program in American history.

Wrong.

Quote from: taxed on September 29, 2015, 08:02:35 AM
Wrong.

How many sock puppets are going to come in and post? 

Quote from: walkstall on September 29, 2015, 08:12:59 AM
How many sock puppets are going to come in and post?

Can't they at least send us a halfway smart one???

Quote from: Amred on September 29, 2015, 08:01:22 AM
Of the many problems with the fair tax the worst is that the Fair Tax continues and expands the welfare state by establishing a "Family Consumption Allowance" (FCA) provided to every registered household, regardless of income, which, if implemented, would constitute the single largest entitlement program in American history.

The FCA's tied to a mythical (in my opinion) 'poverty level', set by HHS.  It assumes I'm going to spend a pre-set amount on necessities.  Cruz's plan eliminates the Government deciding what a family's necessities are.  You buy a Suzuki King-Quad instead of groceries, you pay a tax on the King-Quad.     

Quote from: taxed on September 29, 2015, 08:17:03 AM
Can't they at least send us a halfway smart one???

They don't even look around.  Just log in and post.   

Quote from: Amred on September 29, 2015, 08:01:22 AM
   

Of the many problems with the fair tax the worst is that the Fair Tax continues and expands the welfare state by establishing a "Family Consumption Allowance" (FCA) provided to every registered household, regardless of income, which, if implemented, would constitute the single largest entitlement program in American history.

Where the Hell do you get this crap?
The Fairtax is an end of sale tax, exactly in the same way you pay a sales tax now.
There is no such animal as a (FCA), never was and never will be. The State collects the tax at the register, takes it's cut off the top and sends the the rest to the fed.

Family Consumption Allowance
When you speak of the impact of taxes you tend to talk about whether they are progressive or regressive. Progressive taxes tend to tax the rich more than the poor, regressive taxes tend to tax the poor more than the rich. Sales taxes are usually seen as regressive because the poor must spend a greater percentage of their income on necessities than the rich, and thus have a greater portion of their income subject to taxation. In the past state governments have tried to overcome the regressivity of sales taxes by exempting necessities (like food). This inevidibly has led to market distortions and political manuevering for businesses to get their goods in a 'necessity' category. The FairTax takes a different approach to eliminating the regressivity of a sales tax.

The FairTax introduces a Family Consumption Allowance (FCA). The FCA is a check sent each month to each household registering to receive it (registration is voluntary) to reimburse the amount of sales taxes paid if that household spent up to the poverty level as specified by the department of Health and Human Services. This is how the FairTax 'exempts' necessities. It presumes that every household must spend up to the poverty line in order to purchase necessities and then refunds that portion of tax. The FCA would be administered by the Social Security Administration, which is quite proficient at sending out monthly checks. Complete details on the FCA can be found in the bill HR25 Chapter 3.

This is from 2004.

source

Quote from: walkstall on September 29, 2015, 08:35:26 AM
They don't even look around.  Just log in and post.   

Amred doesn't quite understand how the FairTax works.

Quote from: taxed on September 29, 2015, 10:51:46 AM
Amred doesn't quite understand how the FairTax works.

I think he has VAT confused with Fairtax.

Quote from: Solar on September 29, 2015, 10:57:40 AM
I think he has VAT confused with Fairtax.

He's doing the same thing stupid people have been doing for years with the FairTax, trying to misrepresent it.  He's talking about the prebate.  The FairTax doesn't tax the basic necessities.  So, when that amount is sent back, he calls it a subsidy, even though it's a reimbursement.  He simply has no idea what he's talking about and is just parroting something he was told.

Quote from: taxed on September 29, 2015, 11:04:36 AM
He's doing the same thing stupid people have been doing for years with the FairTax, trying to misrepresent it.  He's talking about the prebate.  The FairTax doesn't tax the basic necessities.  So, when that amount is sent back, he calls it a subsidy, even though it's a reimbursement.  He simply has no idea what he's talking about and is just parroting something he was told.

I see. What he's refering to is a bastardized version of the Far Tax, called the Fairer Tax, which is just another way of keeping the IRS intact.
Like you said, necessities aren't taxed, such as food, consumables as in medicines.
In the true Fair Tax system, the only ones being taxed are those purchasing new products, while a poorer person simply avoids all tax by buying used.

Quote from: Solar on September 29, 2015, 11:11:19 AM
I see. What he's refering to is a bastardized version of the Far Tax, called the Fairer Tax, which is just another way of keeping the IRS intact.
Like you said, necessities aren't taxed, such as food, consumables as in medicines.
In the true Fair Tax system, the only ones being taxed are those purchasing new products, while a poorer person simply avoids all tax by buying used.

Exactly.  So, the stupid people who told him what to parrot and think have no idea what they're talking about, hence why he doesn't.

Scenario 1:  Don't collect the tax in the first place.  Government takes $0.   Amred doesn't call that a subsidy.
Scenario 2:  Do collect the $100, but send it back.  Government has $0.  Amred calls that subsidy/welfare.

Quote from: taxed on September 29, 2015, 11:16:36 AM
Exactly.  So, the stupid people who told him what to parrot and think have no idea what they're talking about, hence why he doesn't.

Scenario 1:  Don't collect the tax in the first place.  Government takes $0.   Amred doesn't call that a subsidy.
Scenario 2:  Do collect the $100, but send it back.  Government has $0.  Amred calls that subsidy/welfare.

Which is the beauty of the true Fair Tax, there is no subsidy or returns. They either buy new and pay a tax, or buy used, where there is no tax, because it was paid by the original purchaser, otherwise it's double taxation.