Quote from: cubedemon on February 23, 2016, 08:22:37 AM
I've tried to mediate on this I still do not fundamentally grasp what you're even talking about.  To me, this model you describe seems so chaotic and has no structure at all or at least I am able to mentally grasp.   It seems like it is a whole bunch of Alice's rabbit holes and a Mad Hatter's Tea party.  How does everyone know what they're supposed to at given times?   How does everyone know what they're allowed to do at given times?   

What do you mean by responsible for you and what do you mean by report to you?   Because of my Autism you're coming across as though you're speaking Chinese.

Every so often, someone will say exactly what I was thinking, better than I could have.  This is definitely one of those times.

Quote from: Solar on February 23, 2016, 08:43:03 AM
Based on what he described?  You need a boss that micromanages.
This by the way is every employees night mare boss, because it tells the employee he can't wipe his nose without making a mistake.

So what do you want, a boss that gives you basic instruction, or one that hovers over your every move?
Your answer is important to your future employment.

All I can add - don't bitch about your job if you're not going to self-employ, start your own business.   You should be glad to have a job.

Turn off your TV, you're not as "disabled" as you think.

Quote from: cubedemon on February 24, 2016, 03:28:59 AM
This would be the ideal workplace for me as it is written in Barbara Bissonnette's book.....snip....

Based upon this, can I succeed anywhere at all?   If yes, where can I go where I can succeed?   If I must adapt to the prevailing workplace then what are your recommendations I do to adapt it?   Let's say I decide to go out and be a sprinker fitter?   Would that job be good for me?

Have you ever considered a job in assembly, where you perform tasks in a sequential manner, and under supervision?  Those kinds of jobs can be monotonous for some people, but might be a fit for you.  When you think in a literal manner, you need straight forward literal work. 

Also, on your own time, use your experiences in learning by writing books for autistic kids.  Share the things that helped you get over the hurdles you've had difficulty with. 

Communication is difficult for a lot of people, even people without autism.  While I realize there are different degrees on the autism spectrum, are there groups of autistic people that you share a common ability to understand and communicate with?  What types of work and hobbies are they involved in? 

Quote from: Dori on February 26, 2016, 02:55:34 PM
Have you ever considered a job in assembly, where you perform tasks in a sequential manner, and under supervision?  Those kinds of jobs can be monotonous for some people, but might be a fit for you.  When you think in a literal manner, you need straight forward literal work. 

I could try this as well.  Do you have any suggestions on where I can find some at?  I am pretty good at putting stuff together when I read the manual.  I've put together shelves and had to put up some shelves in a closet on walls.   

You said it can be monotonous.   I don't think a job is meant to be exciting or glamorous.   Monotonous is fine. 

Quote from: Dori on February 26, 2016, 02:55:34 PM
Also, on your own time, use your experiences in learning by writing books for autistic kids.  Share the things that helped you get over the hurdles you've had difficulty with. 

For me, when I went to college, I realized the classroom instruction did nothing for me.   So, I had read the material 3-4 times especially in a way to grasp it.  Looking back on today, I would tell kids they need to know who they are both strengths and weaknesses.  They need to understand society at large and know what their opportunities and threats are.   Learn to understand the nature of themselves and the society and culture they're living in so they can know what to obey and disobey so they can command the nature of society as to benefit themselves.  Eventually, if they can benefit themselves maybe they can benefit others.

Learn critical thinking.  Learn it on your own time.  Learn what an argument is, learn what fallacies are and learn what necessary condition and sufficient conditions are.  Evaluate what anyone tells you (parents, teachers, administrators, etc) Check it out, learn to do your research.   Ask questions of others.  Don't take anything anyone tells you at face value.   College is not as necessary as what your teachers, parents, media will promote.   There are jobs out there that don't require a degree and only may require a certificate.  Shoot, there are apprentice ship programs.  Look them over as well.   

Quote from: Dori on February 26, 2016, 02:55:34 PM
Communication is difficult for a lot of people, even people without autism.  While I realize there are different degrees on the autism spectrum, are there groups of autistic people that you share a common ability to understand and communicate with?  What types of work and hobbies are they involved in?

Problem is, a number of them are in the same boat.  For everyone 1 Temple Grandin there are 100 who have major problems getting and keeping a job.  If there was a way I could talk to a number of them who are employed and are able to be successful, I would talk to them and see if I could notice a pattern.  I would look for trends as to what they do and don't do that makes them successful. It would help me to develop a key for myself.   

If I can crack the code, learn what to obey, obey it and then command it as Francis Bacon said then I can shoot for the stars.   What would be great is if I had guidance for how the workplace does work and what the correct moves are one is supposed to make from bottom to top.   I'm told to start at the bottom. 

I've already posted this already and Hoofer says there is more to it.   I just wish the specifics was filled in and I wish I knew and I wish others would tell me and others step by step instructions as to what we're supposed to do without focusing on our attitudes, and saying things like Hoofer says "All I can add - don't bitch about your job if you're not going to self-employ, start your own business.   You should be glad to have a job.

Turn off your TV, you're not as "disabled" as you think."

which says absolutely nothing.  It is empty and devoid of anything that is of substance, concrete and specific.   No, I don't have a job.  I'm on SSDI because I couldn't work out what I was supposed to do exactly step by step.  I have intricate details missing and gaps in my understanding as to how employment works and how the real world does work. 

Quote from: cubedemon on February 26, 2016, 06:07:48 AM3.  Def 3 doesn't matter since I have no one working for me.

Except everyone paying taxes to support your disability payments.

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on February 26, 2016, 03:45:03 PM
Except everyone paying taxes to support your disability payments.

http://www.disability-benefits-help.org/disability-benefits

How do you come to that logical conclusion that everyone is paying to support my disability payments?

SSDI comes from the money I did pay in when I had jobs that was given to me by the grace of God.   That is one part.   The other part comes from the employers I did work for.   Pretend that social security is in a golden pot.   The pot is partitioned for every person.   I only have access to my particular partition in which my employers and I contributed to.  If I was self-employed then I would pay the full 12.4%.  If I am working for someone else I pay only 6.2%   

Social security and SSDI is not welfare in which one gets something for nothing.  Where you say that everyone is paying taxes to support my disability payments makes absolutely no sense.   

Quote from: Hoofer on February 26, 2016, 02:24:25 PM
Every so often, someone will say exactly what I was thinking, better than I could have.  This is definitely one of those times.

All I can add - don't bitch about your job if you're not going to self-employ, start your own business.   You should be glad to have a job.

Turn off your TV, you're not as "disabled" as you think.

Quote from: cubedemon on February 26, 2016, 03:29:03 PM
I could try this as well.  Do you have any suggestions on where I can find some at?  I am pretty good at putting stuff together when I read the manual.  I've put together shelves and had to put up some shelves in a closet on walls.   

You said it can be monotonous.   I don't think a job is meant to be exciting or glamorous.   Monotonous is fine.

There are thousands of different types of assembly, depending upon the type of industry.  From electronics, to food, to packaging, to toys, to furniture to any number of things.  I guess it would depend upon what's available in your area. 

I'm actually surprised your organization doesn't have better information for you on types of employment. 

QuoteFor me, when I went to college, I realized the classroom instruction did nothing for me.   So, I had read the material 3-4 times especially in a way to grasp it.  Looking back on today, I would tell kids they need to know who they are both strengths and weaknesses.  They need to understand society at large and know what their opportunities and threats are.   Learn to understand the nature of themselves and the society and culture they're living in so they can know what to obey and disobey so they can command the nature of society as to benefit themselves.  Eventually, if they can benefit themselves maybe they can benefit others.

Rather than jump into the college level first off, what about starting with younger kids?  How did the world look to you as a five or seven or ten year old?  What were your experiences then, when it came to trying to figure things out?  What helped you, or scared you or were calming and enjoyable?
   

QuoteProblem is, a number of them are in the same boat.  For everyone 1 Temple Grandin there are 100 who have major problems getting and keeping a job.  If there was a way I could talk to a number of them who are employed and are able to be successful, I would talk to them and see if I could notice a pattern.  I would look for trends as to what they do and don't do that makes them successful. It would help me to develop a key for myself.   

If I can crack the code, learn what to obey, obey it and then command it as Francis Bacon said then I can shoot for the stars.   What would be great is if I had guidance for how the workplace does work and what the correct moves are one is supposed to make from bottom to top.   I'm told to start at the bottom. 

I think the key word is a having a mentor.  Trying to navigate a boat without an oar has to be very challenging.  Again, I'm surprised there aren't better resources for you.  Autism certainly is not rare, and there has been a rise in autism in the past couple of decades.  There is a real need there.  Is there someone who could help direct you one on one?

Quote from: cubedemon on February 26, 2016, 04:00:55 PMPretend that social security is in a golden pot.

It is not a golden pot. It is another mismanaged government program.

Quote from: cubedemon on February 26, 2016, 04:00:55 PMI only have access to my particular partition in which my employers and I contributed to.

I am willing to bet you have far exceeded your "contribution".

Quote from: cubedemon on February 26, 2016, 04:00:55 PMSocial security and SSDI is not welfare in which one gets something for nothing.

Sure it is. Disability has become the new welfare.

http://cagw.org/media/wastewatcher/disability-new-welfare
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/from-welfare-queens-to-disabled-deadbeats/?_r=0
http://oig.ssa.gov/newsroom/blog/july17-post

Quote from: Hoofer on February 26, 2016, 02:24:25 PMTurn off your TV, you're not as "disabled" as you think.

Good point. This is just another example of your typical socialist "marketing" his membership in a special interest group to get benefits at someone else's expense.

I mean honestly, you come on here, carry on a conversation, research data (as per your website links), and post analytical information and I am supposed to believe you are so "disabled" by mental disorder that you can't hold down a job?

I don't find your claims credible.

Just being honest.

Now it's your turn. Tell us about how your a victim. 

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on February 26, 2016, 07:13:59 PM
It is not a golden pot. It is another mismanaged government program.
I am willing to bet you have far exceeded your "contribution".
Sure it is. Disability has become the new welfare.

http://cagw.org/media/wastewatcher/disability-new-welfare
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/from-welfare-queens-to-disabled-deadbeats/?_r=0
http://oig.ssa.gov/newsroom/blog/july17-post
Good point. This is just another example of your typical socialist "marketing" his membership in a special interest group to get benefits at someone else's expense.

I mean honestly, you come on here, carry on a conversation, research data (as per your website links), and post analytical information and I am supposed to believe you are so "disabled" by mental disorder that you can't hold down a job?

I don't find your claims credible.

Just being honest.

Now it's your turn. Tell us about how your a victim. 

I hope Solar has the bandwidth. 

Didn't read it, sonny. Grow up, face the world and stop whining.

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on February 26, 2016, 07:13:59 PM
I mean honestly, you come on here, carry on a conversation, research data (as per your website links), and post analytical information and I am supposed to believe you are so "disabled" by mental disorder that you can't hold down a job?

Take a victory lap. 

Quote from: walkstall on February 26, 2016, 07:21:32 PM
I hope Solar has the bandwidth.

Better order a T-1 line, soonest.

Quote from: quiller on February 27, 2016, 02:32:47 AM
Didn't read it, sonny. Grow up, face the world and stop whining.

ADDED: Let the record show this sniveler deleted a long whine addressed to me, which I replied to in this message.

Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on February 26, 2016, 07:13:59 PM

I mean honestly, you come on here, carry on a conversation, research data (as per your website links), and post analytical information and I am supposed to believe you are so "disabled" by mental disorder that you can't hold down a job?

I'll add my support to rest, Quiller, Taxed, Solar, and add - this sounds like some kind of Psychology or Law School class project,
Get on a Forum, make a case for a theoretically disabled person, and convince the "disability court or jury", said client is deserving SSI lifetime benefits.

Do they grade on a bell curve, or something like this?

A = snickered 'em all, full disability payment$..
B = partial disability, retraining required, they'll find a job you can handle.
C = no CA$H award, but protected by ADA act & can't be fired from the most mundane job.
D = best you could get are job "recommendations", little sympathy.
F = they saw through it, the gig is up, look for another major, Lawyering is not your calling.

Quote from: walkstall on February 26, 2016, 07:21:32 PM


I hope Solar has the bandwidth.

Funny you should mention that. I passed my limit by 30% and probably won't recover for another week or more, so my cpnnection is at less than dial up.

As to attacking Cube, let it go, the guy is for real, I actually knew of him before he joined, read his painful blog.
Whether his affliction is as bad as claimed, or perceived on his part, may the fault of those that raised him in a state of victim hood instead of developing the skills to address the problem, they instead more than likely exacerbated the problem by focusing on his disability, rather than his abilities.

Sometimes the best teacher is life itself, instead we've developed a system that keeps one a victim in their own prison by giving them just enough to exist.

I'll say it again. Let go of the damned rope Cube, your perception of life and an inevitable failure is self inflicted.
Get over yourself, it wont 't hurt, there is no monster waiting to hurt your feelings out in the real world.
And FWIW, 90% of the people out there are twice as screwed up as you, so no one will even notice your issues, or for that matter, give a damn..

You think you have it bad?
I knew a guy with Tourettes coupled with OCD.
It was so bad that he was constantly rechecking his steps, thinking he missed something, things may have fallen out of his car, so he backs up to look, then checks the trash in case someone picked the imaginary item up and threw it away.
All the while grunting and talking in a low voice, while constantly checking his pockets.

The guy could barely function, yet he had a job, a car and above it all was independent.
If he can make it, you certainly can.