Marxism is a brilliant system, IF you've got the German taxpayers to pick up the tab for you. Otherwise it is ruinous.
Every German craftsman must work an extra hour each day to pay for the lavish lifestyle that this greasy little man flaunts in the name of Karl Marx:
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi596.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt42%2FGrozny%2Fyanis-paris-match-5506b82547d55_zpslilf143u.jpg&hash=5e8630bbcc5890c879eddfe4f02659cc6ac14e02) (http://s596.photobucket.com/user/Grozny/media/yanis-paris-match-5506b82547d55_zpslilf143u.jpg.html)
Here I explode the web of lies that Yanis Varoufakis has spun to justify bringing Karl Marx back from the dead at this late date, over a century after his theory was shattered by Böhm-Bawerk:
Review of Varoufakis and Arnsperger (http://www3.unifr.ch/econophysics/sites/default/files/Review_Varoufakis_Arnsperger.pdf)
Why do the German workers allow this Marxist's lies to go unanswered? Don't they have any pride? Or are they just stupid and don't know how to respond?
Quote from: Onion Eater on June 03, 2015, 02:48:14 PM
Why do the German workers allow this Marxist's lies to go unanswered? Don't they have any pride? Or are they just stupid and don't know how to respond?
It's not just in Germany where the Marxists are trying to raise Karl from the dead. This country is full of them. Too bad they don't read about the man himself. He was an elitist academic and naval gazer. I don't know if he ever really worked and died stateless.
FYI Varoufakis is the Greek finance minister.
Quote from: Onion Eater on June 03, 2015, 05:29:20 PM
FYI Varoufakis is the Greek finance minister.
FYI It is not nice puts something out with an address that does a download on your very first post. I stopped it at 2 M's. as I have no idea of what it was downloading. it may be harmless, but again your a first time poster. We have no background on you as of to date.
It's a PDF file on a university website.
Just hold your cursor over it and you'll see it's the University of Fribourg and the file ends in .pdf
http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/index.php/encyclopedia/documentsentry/where_do_we_go_from_here_delivered_at_the_11th_annual_sclc_convention/ (http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/index.php/encyclopedia/documentsentry/where_do_we_go_from_here_delivered_at_the_11th_annual_sclc_convention/)
QuoteNow, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm not talking about communism. What I'm talking about is far beyond communism. My inspiration didn't come from Karl Marx; my inspiration didn't come from Engels; my inspiration didn't come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from Lenin. Yes, I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long time ago, and I saw that maybe Marx didn't follow Hegel enough. He took his dialectics, but he left out his idealism and his spiritualism. And he went over to a German philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made it into a system that he called "dialectical materialism." I have to reject that.
What I'm saying to you this morning is communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both. Now, when I say questioning the whole society, it means ultimately coming to see that the problem of racism, the problem of economic exploitation, and the problem of war are all tied together. These are the triple evils that are interrelated.
And if you will let me be a preacher just a little bit. One night, a juror came to Jesus and he wanted to know what he could do to be saved. Jesus didn't get bogged down on the kind of isolated approach of what you shouldn't do. Jesus didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop lying." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, now you must not commit adultery." He didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop cheating if you are doing that." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, you must stop drinking liquor if you are doing that excessively." He said something altogether different, because Jesus realized something basic: that if a man will lie, he will steal. And if a man will steal, he will kill. So instead of just getting bogged down on one thing, Jesus looked at him and said, "Nicodemus, you must be born again."
In other words, "Your whole structure must be changed." A nation that will keep people in slavery for 244 years will "thingify" them and make them things. And therefore, they will exploit them and poor people generally economically. And a nation that will exploit economically will have to have foreign investments and everything else, and it will have to use its military might to protect them. All of these problems are tied together.
What I'm saying today is that we must go from this convention and say, "America, you must be born again!"
-Martin Luther King Jr.
That has nothing to do with Varoufakis.
Quote from: Onion Eater on June 03, 2015, 05:29:20 PM
FYI Varoufakis is the Greek finance minister.
I don't know the German finance minister from the Greek one. Your reference led me to think you were posting about Germans.
QuoteEvery German craftsman must work an extra hour each day to pay for the lavish lifestyle that this greasy little man flaunts in the name of Karl Marx:
QuoteEvery German craftsman must work an extra hour each day to pay for the lavish lifestyle that this greasy little man flaunts in the name of Karl Marx:
This is where I admit I have no idea what's going on in this thread.
Quote from: taxed on June 04, 2015, 02:39:49 AM
This is where I admit I have no idea what's going on in this thread.
Perhaps reviewing the History of Economics from 1974 to 2014 (http://www3.unifr.ch/econophysics/sites/default/files/History_Economics_1974_2014_0.pdf) might help?
Quote from: Onion Eater on June 06, 2015, 02:51:42 PM
Perhaps reviewing the History of Economics from 1974 to 2014 (http://www3.unifr.ch/econophysics/sites/default/files/History_Economics_1974_2014_0.pdf) might help?
40 years of economic history on 3 pages?
Quote from: taxed on June 08, 2015, 05:37:55 AM
40 years of economic history on 3 pages?
Index? :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on June 08, 2015, 05:42:09 AM
Index? :biggrin:
Not even. It's like a 7th grader wrote it.
Quote from: taxed on June 08, 2015, 07:12:57 AM
Not even. It's like a 7th grader wrote it.
Your telling me I worked over 65+ years of my life, and it can all be put on 3 pages?? :lol:
Quote from: Onion Eater on June 03, 2015, 02:48:14 PM
Why do the German workers allow this Marxist's lies to go unanswered? Don't they have any pride? Or are they just stupid and don't know how to respond?
What lies are you talking about? The facts which everyone is talking about and has been answered?
The Germans benefit from the Euro and the European Union, the weak economies of the Euro make the Germans more competitive on the world market, and the Germans national character is one of pride and hard work. So it is a win-win as long as the system doesn't collapse, which is what Greece is now threatening.
As a Norwegian I have more cause to complain, I pay taxes to the ECB which then goes and gives it to the Greek people so they can continue their unearned filthy way of living without any of the benefits that the Germans get.
Quote from: Mountainshield on July 03, 2015, 10:32:10 AM
What lies are you talking about? The facts which everyone is talking about and has been answered?
The Germans benefit from the Euro and the European Union, the weak economies of the Euro make the Germans more competitive on the world market, and the Germans national character is one of pride and hard work. So it is a win-win as long as the system doesn't collapse, which is what Greece is now threatening.
As a Norwegian I have more cause to complain, I pay taxes to the ECB which then goes and gives it to the Greek people so they can continue their unearned filthy way of living without any of the benefits that the Germans get.
The Greeks are out of money. The Europeans want them to take a loan in exchange for more austerity.
What does austerity mean in Europe?
Quote from: Dori on July 03, 2015, 02:21:18 PM
The Greeks are out of money. The Europeans want them to take a loan in exchange for more austerity.
What does austerity mean in Europe?
They see it as capitalism, they hate capitalism. :laugh:
Quote from: Solar on July 03, 2015, 02:47:59 PM
They see it as capitalism, they hate capitalism. :laugh:
Their debt is already 180% of their GDP.
I guess they can't print money like Obama does.
Quote from: Dori on July 03, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
Their debt is already 180% of their GDP.
I guess they can't print money like Obama does.
Austerity sounds like the Federal reserve policy during the bank runs in 1930 of deflation or reducing people's living standard for the benefit of the banks. But it just means don't deficit spend indefinitely.
In Europe it goes like this; The Right Wing wins an election and begins austerity, but people want free stuff so they vote in the left wing that starts to deficit spend. This continues until the people start to suffer under inflation, regulation or unemployment to the point of where they are fed up and vote back in the Right Wing to fix the problem. Give it 4-8 years they fix it and then the people vote the Left wing back in again to get once again free shit so they ride the wave of economic growth the Right wing has created until they once again destroy it and then the cycle repeats itself. But the Greeks are so lazy or stupid they just want the free stuff without a period of austerity to enable a new round of deficit spending.
The ECB can print money like Obama does, but if does so at the cost of all other nations in the EU and countries such as mine that pay obligatory taxes to the ECB.
Quote from: walkstall on June 03, 2015, 06:03:41 PM
FYI It is not nice puts something out with an address that does a download on your very first post. I stopped it at 2 M's. as I have no idea of what it was downloading. it may be harmless, but again your a first time poster. We have no background on you as of to date.
Walks it could be you, that posted the link. If just visiting the site, starts a download. It's more than likely either spyware, or malware, or both!
So no offense but it could be you that makes the post. I"m not visiting a site like that. Or allowing a download like that either.
Quote from: daidalos on July 22, 2015, 06:50:21 PM
Walks it could be you, that posted the link. If just visiting the site, starts a download. It's more than likely either spyware, or malware, or both!
So no offense but it could be you that makes the post. I"m not visiting a site like that. Or allowing a download like that either.
No offense taken young man.
The poster said it was a PDF download. My system blocks spyware and malware both. I also run a full system scan on shut down every night. In the last week my system has block 2 spyware, 3 malware, 15 Pop ups and over 300 ads. It even blocks the P M pop up notifications for this board unless I ok it.
Quote from: Solar on July 03, 2015, 02:47:59 PM
They see it as capitalism, they hate capitalism. :laugh:
God that's a really warped view.
I know the thread is a tad old, but I just wanted to point out that Old Carl sure liked King Abe. :biggrin:
Quote from: Mountainshield on July 03, 2015, 10:32:10 AM
What lies are you talking about? The facts which everyone is talking about and has been answered?
The Germans benefit from the Euro and the European Union, the weak economies of the Euro make the Germans more competitive on the world market, and the Germans national character is one of pride and hard work. So it is a win-win as long as the system doesn't collapse, which is what Greece is now threatening.
As a Norwegian I have more cause to complain, I pay taxes to the ECB which then goes and gives it to the Greek people so they can continue their unearned filthy way of living without any of the benefits that the Germans get.
I can see how the Germans "benefit" from socialism. Along with Sweden.
http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/11/heres-the-refugee-video-liberals-do-not-want-you-to-see/
I noticed you wasted no time painting yourself a victim.
My only question is what is a socialist such as yourself is doing on a Conservative Forum.
Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on November 25, 2015, 12:12:54 AM
I can see how the Germans "benefit" from socialism. Along with Sweden.
http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/11/heres-the-refugee-video-liberals-do-not-want-you-to-see/
I noticed you wasted no time painting yourself a victim.
My only question is what is a socialist such as yourself is doing on a Conservative Forum.
As you spend more time here you will see that Mountainshield is a conservative trying to survive the Norwegian system.
Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on November 25, 2015, 12:12:54 AM
I can see how the Germans "benefit" from socialism. Along with Sweden.
http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/11/heres-the-refugee-video-liberals-do-not-want-you-to-see/
I noticed you wasted no time painting yourself a victim.
My only question is what is a socialist such as yourself is doing on a Conservative Forum.
Take my word for it, MS has a better grasp and understanding of our system of govt as well as history than 90% of all Americans.
Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on November 25, 2015, 12:12:54 AM
I can see how the Germans "benefit" from socialism. Along with Sweden.
http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/11/heres-the-refugee-video-liberals-do-not-want-you-to-see/
I noticed you wasted no time painting yourself a victim.
My only question is what is a socialist such as yourself is doing on a Conservative Forum.
You only have 18 posts. Mountainshield has 1815 posts you should read them. You will find he is not a socialist.
Quote from: walkstall on November 25, 2015, 08:50:02 AM
You only have 18 posts. Mountainshield has 1815 posts you should read them. You will find he is not a socialist.
I made my reply from information I had available.
As far as me having only 18 posts.... I try to only post when I have something relevant to say. I don't find the number of posts reflects the quality of the poster, only what they have said.
That being said I will take you up on your challenge and read some of Mountainshield's old posts.
I don't find conservative values being presented in these two sentences which is why I made the comment.
The Germans benefit from the Euro and the European Union,
So it is a win-win as long as the system doesn't collapse, which is what Greece is now threatening.
I don't find any benefit in the European Union. I see the whole European Union as nothing but a massive attempt to "redistribute wealth".
He even stated so in his own post.
As a Norwegian I have more cause to complain,
I pay taxes to the ECB which then goes and gives it to the Greek people so they can continue their unearned filthy way of living without any of the benefits that the Germans get.
Taking those comments into account do you still think my response (taking into account my unfamiliarity with Mountainshield's past post) was off base?
Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on November 27, 2015, 12:45:54 AM
I made my reply from information I had available.
As far as me having only 18 posts.... I try to only post when I have something relevant to say. I don't find the number of posts reflects the quality of the poster, only what they have said.
That being said I will take you up on your challenge and read some of Mountainshield's old posts.
I don't find conservative values being presented in these two sentences which is why I made the comment.
The Germans benefit from the Euro and the European Union,
So it is a win-win as long as the system doesn't collapse, which is what Greece is now threatening.
I don't find any benefit in the European Union. I see the whole European Union as nothing but a massive attempt to "redistribute wealth".
He even stated so in his own post.
As a Norwegian I have more cause to complain, I pay taxes to the ECB which then goes and gives it to the Greek people so they can continue their unearned filthy way of living without any of the benefits that the Germans get.
Taking those comments into account do you still think my response (taking into account my unfamiliarity with Mountainshield's past post) was off base?
I also take into account.
Mountainshield Date Registered: January 31, 2013, 23:53:28
ZQuickSilverZ Date Registered: August 25, 2015, 08:39:32
I think you will find Mountainshield's past post a very good read if you have time.
Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on November 27, 2015, 12:45:54 AM
I made my reply from information I had available.
As far as me having only 18 posts.... I try to only post when I have something relevant to say. I don't find the number of posts reflects the quality of the poster, only what they have said.
That being said I will take you up on your challenge and read some of Mountainshield's old posts.
I don't find conservative values being presented in these two sentences which is why I made the comment.
The Germans benefit from the Euro and the European Union,
So it is a win-win as long as the system doesn't collapse, which is what Greece is now threatening.
I don't find any benefit in the European Union. I see the whole European Union as nothing but a massive attempt to "redistribute wealth".
He even stated so in his own post.
As a Norwegian I have more cause to complain, I pay taxes to the ECB which then goes and gives it to the Greek people so they can continue their unearned filthy way of living without any of the benefits that the Germans get.
Taking those comments into account do you still think my response (taking into account my unfamiliarity with Mountainshield's past post) was off base?
Yes, essentially you took them out of context, or rather put them into a context not intended.
He never stated he was for the EU, rather that Germany benefited from the Union, which is why Merkle is teniously holding it all together. "Win win" for Merkel and Germany, no one else.
Fact is, she's a freakin socialist and about to be booted from office. But that's another subject, that the EU needs to collapse.
MS stated his taxes go to keeping Greece afloat, something he resents, which is by result, the overreach of the EU/Germany.
So how does one deduce from what he said, to that of a socialist supporter?
As I said I will go back and read is post history (to an extent).
walkstall date registered should not matter. It is not inconceivable that a leftist liberal would join a conservative forum. After all in their mind they need to fix your views.
I will say no more about this than I will go read his past posts.
I will say the fact so many challenged my assertions is very promising. He obviously has friends.
Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on November 27, 2015, 07:44:46 AM
As I said I will go back and read is post history (to an extent).
walkstall date registered should not matter. It is not inconceivable that a leftist liberal would join a conservative forum. After all in their mind they need to fix your views.
I will say no more about this than I will go read his past posts.
I will say the fact so many challenged my assertions is very promising. He obviously has friends.
If you read enough, you'll see he has a better understanding of our history, Founding principles, political system, and Conservatism, than do 90% of the people in the US.
Though we may not always see eye to eye, I understand his view is that of an outsider looking in, but that doesn't mean we don't appreciate his insight.
No, he's a well respected member of the forum, even when he's wrong.